Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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Peter King is a fat blowhard asshole who loves Boston and hates everyone else. His Twitter remarks are filled with backhanded condescension and many of his opinions, while being in-depth and well thought out, turn out to be wrong.
I will agree that I believed Mo should have won Sportsman of the Year, however.
I just generally dislike the guy.
Peter King is a fat blowhard asshole who loves Boston and hates everyone else. His Twitter remarks are filled with backhanded condescension and many of his opinions, while being in-depth and well thought out, turn out to be wrong.
I will agree that I believed Mo should have won Sportsman of the Year, however.
I just generally dislike the guy.
But....he may also be a person in whom Mike Lombardi confides.....you know....a couple of fat blowhard assholes blowing each other's holes.
Whatever King is otherwise, in this regard, there is one thing he may be: right.
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With Pinkston back, and Faulk? who I completely lost reading about....
things aren't any critical need. I do think Lavauo, in the least, shares time on passing downs
to Faulk. Somebody needs to. And our RT will/should get a little stronger.
Being at the Bears game (btw, the Bears fans were great people to be around)...
"1a. Sammy Watkins - WR - Clemson
1b. Derek Carr - QB - Fres St
2. Ka'deem Carey - RB - Arizona
3a. A.J. Johnson - ILB - Tennessee
3b. Tre Boston - CB - UNC"would make a lot of sense, cept yes, Carr will be long gone.Insert Bortles, and I like it even better.
I wonder if a couple of those blue chip ILB's would be so elite, that they'd warrant that second round pick. If Tre Boston
lasted til that 3b, that would be solid, cept I imagine cb will go early and often in the second round, too.
It's awesome to have the "critical needs" list for the Browns being a very short list. That is huge.
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Peter King is a fat blowhard asshole who loves Boston and hates everyone else. His Twitter remarks are filled with backhanded condescension and many of his opinions, while being in-depth and well thought out, turn out to be wrong.
I will agree that I believed Mo should have won Sportsman of the Year, however.
I just generally dislike the guy.
But....he may also be a person in whom Mike Lombardi confides.....you know....a couple of fat blowhard assholes blowing each other's holes.
Whatever King is otherwise, in this regard, there is one thing he may be: right.
But....he may also be a person in whom Mike Lombardi confides.....you know....a couple of fat blowhard assholes blowing each other's holes.
Whatever King is otherwise, in this regard, there is one thing he may be: right.
I doubt that's the case. This is likely just King once again claiming something in case it actually happens.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
But....he may also be a person in whom Mike Lombardi confides.....you know....a couple of fat blowhard assholes blowing each other's holes.
Whatever King is otherwise, in this regard, there is one thing he may be: right.
I doubt that's the case. This is likely just King once again claiming something in case it actually happens.
I doubt that's the case. This is likely just King once again claiming something in case it actually happens.
I agree. If you read his column every week, it's about 50% correct and 50% rumor that doesn't happen.
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But....he may also be a person in whom Mike Lombardi confides.....you know....a couple of fat blowhard assholes blowing each other's holes.
Whatever King is otherwise, in this regard, there is one thing he may be: right.
I doubt that's the case. This is likely just King once again claiming something in case it actually happens.
I doubt that's the case. This is likely just King once again claiming something in case it actually happens.
OK, but, that is exactly what Lombardi did when he was "in the media". So perhaps he learned it from King. Point is, those two are BBs.....so they do talk....or grunt at each other.
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I doubt that's the case. This is likely just King once again claiming something in case it actually happens.
OK, but, that is exactly what Lombardi did when he was "in the media". So perhaps he learned it from King. Point is, those two are BBs.....so they do talk....or grunt at each other.
OK, but, that is exactly what Lombardi did when he was "in the media". So perhaps he learned it from King. Point is, those two are BBs.....so they do talk....or grunt at each other.
I don't know what you're stretching for, but okay. Sure.
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Chris Faulk was expected to be a 1 or 2 before blowing out his knee. Now after a redshirt year, he should go back to being seen that way. I think a Greco/Pinkston duo would've been very good this year. If I understand correctly, Lauvao isn't mobile enough for this scheme and Schwartz isn't ideal for going downfield in the passing game.
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I don't remember ever hearing Faulk was that good. I heard he was a damn good guy to take a late round flier on, but in no way a plug and play guy. And he played tackle in college so now he has to learn a whole new position. If we don't draft a guy in the second or third, or go hard after the top free agent I'd be shocked. Luavou is a plodder who stands his ground in pass pro but has no ability to pull for any kind of outside run. Greco may be the best of the bunch at that and he's not very good. Luavou also sucks at getting to the second level on interior runs when asked to. Pinkston is inconsistent but I do think he's got starting guard ability. Greco is valuable because we can move him around.
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Luavou is as good as gone, he's a UFA and if we re-sign him we'd be dumb. As far as Faulk, he was a great UDFA pick-up IF he can get/stay healthy. I wouldn't count on him starting at RT next year. I think I'm one of the only people who don't see the line as a major problem. We need a better run game, but I think getting a legit FB and legit RB can change that. Look at the guys who have been carrying the ball all year... garbage... We could get another G, but I'm not thinking it's top 5 in needs. 1-QB, 2-WR, 3-RB, 4-ILB, 5-CB, 6-FS, then maybe a G, FB, or another LB
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Luavou is as good as gone, he's a UFA and if we re-sign him we'd be dumb. As far as Faulk, he was a great UDFA pick-up IF he can get/stay healthy. I wouldn't count on him starting at RT next year. I think I'm one of the only people who don't see the line as a major problem. We need a better run game, but I think getting a legit FB and legit RB can change that. Look at the guys who have been carrying the ball all year... garbage... We could get another G, but I'm not thinking it's top 5 in needs. 1-QB, 2-WR, 3-RB, 4-ILB, 5-CB, 6-FS, then maybe a G, FB, or another LB
I don't think a FB is in their plans. There were plenty of options they wanted no part of. My guess is they're happy with dual RB's, an HBack type and bringin in Billy Winn in goal line situations. A guard will be added this year.Luavou is as good as gone, he's a UFA and if we re-sign him we'd be dumb. As far as Faulk, he was a great UDFA pick-up IF he can get/stay healthy. I wouldn't count on him starting at RT next year. I think I'm one of the only people who don't see the line as a major problem. We need a better run game, but I think getting a legit FB and legit RB can change that. Look at the guys who have been carrying the ball all year... garbage... We could get another G, but I'm not thinking it's top 5 in needs. 1-QB, 2-WR, 3-RB, 4-ILB, 5-CB, 6-FS, then maybe a G, FB, or another LB
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I don't think a FB is in their plans. There were plenty of options they wanted no part of. My guess is they're happy with dual RB's, an HBack type and bringin in Billy Winn in goal line situations. A guard will be added this year.Luavou is as good as gone, he's a UFA and if we re-sign him we'd be dumb. As far as Faulk, he was a great UDFA pick-up IF he can get/stay healthy. I wouldn't count on him starting at RT next year. I think I'm one of the only people who don't see the line as a major problem. We need a better run game, but I think getting a legit FB and legit RB can change that. Look at the guys who have been carrying the ball all year... garbage... We could get another G, but I'm not thinking it's top 5 in needs. 1-QB, 2-WR, 3-RB, 4-ILB, 5-CB, 6-FS, then maybe a G, FB, or another LB
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I don't think a FB is in their plans. There were plenty of options they wanted no part of. My guess is they're happy with dual RB's, an HBack type and bringin in Billy Winn in goal line situations. A guard will be added this year.
I hear ya. I just wish these guys could recognize the benefit of having a good FB on the roster. Unless you have a QB like Brady or Manning, It really helps to have a good FB on your team, or at least a FB/TE hybrid, or even a FB/RB hybrid (sorry, Barnidge and/or Ogby just don't cut it). I've seen too many 3rd & 2's stopped b/c we couldn't keep it on the ground, or hit that guy wide open out of the backfield. We saw it a couple times with Ogby in the redzone, and the 1 TD to Barnidge against NE, but look at BAL, CAR, CHI, GB, KC, MIA, PIT, SF, and SEA. All good teams, and all use a FB, or at least a hybrid guy, in a variety of ways but especially in short yardage. Those teams don't get stopped on 3rd & 2 very often, and many of them will be in the playoffs b/c of it....
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I don't think a FB is in their plans. There were plenty of options they wanted no part of. My guess is they're happy with dual RB's, an HBack type and bringin in Billy Winn in goal line situations. A guard will be added this year.
I hear ya. I just wish these guys could recognize the benefit of having a good FB on the roster. Unless you have a QB like Brady or Manning, It really helps to have a good FB on your team, or at least a FB/TE hybrid, or even a FB/RB hybrid (sorry, Barnidge and/or Ogby just don't cut it). I've seen too many 3rd & 2's stopped b/c we couldn't keep it on the ground, or hit that guy wide open out of the backfield. We saw it a couple times with Ogby in the redzone, and the 1 TD to Barnidge against NE, but look at BAL, CAR, CHI, GB, KC, MIA, PIT, SF, and SEA. All good teams, and all use a FB, or at least a hybrid guy, in a variety of ways but especially in short yardage. Those teams don't get stopped on 3rd & 2 very often, and many of them will be in the playoffs b/c of it....
true story.I hear ya. I just wish these guys could recognize the benefit of having a good FB on the roster. Unless you have a QB like Brady or Manning, It really helps to have a good FB on your team, or at least a FB/TE hybrid, or even a FB/RB hybrid (sorry, Barnidge and/or Ogby just don't cut it). I've seen too many 3rd & 2's stopped b/c we couldn't keep it on the ground, or hit that guy wide open out of the backfield. We saw it a couple times with Ogby in the redzone, and the 1 TD to Barnidge against NE, but look at BAL, CAR, CHI, GB, KC, MIA, PIT, SF, and SEA. All good teams, and all use a FB, or at least a hybrid guy, in a variety of ways but especially in short yardage. Those teams don't get stopped on 3rd & 2 very often, and many of them will be in the playoffs b/c of it....
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I don't remember ever hearing Faulk was that good. I heard he was a damn good guy to take a late round flier on, but in no way a plug and play guy. And he played tackle in college so now he has to learn a whole new position. If we don't draft a guy in the second or third, or go hard after the top free agent I'd be shocked. Luavou is a plodder who stands his ground in pass pro but has no ability to pull for any kind of outside run. Greco may be the best of the bunch at that and he's not very good. Luavou also sucks at getting to the second level on interior runs when asked to. Pinkston is inconsistent but I do think he's got starting guard ability. Greco is valuable because we can move him around.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I don't remember ever hearing Faulk was that good. I heard he was a damn good guy to take a late round flier on, but in no way a plug and play guy. And he played tackle in college so now he has to learn a whole new position. If we don't draft a guy in the second or third, or go hard after the top free agent I'd be shocked. Luavou is a plodder who stands his ground in pass pro but has no ability to pull for any kind of outside run. Greco may be the best of the bunch at that and he's not very good. Luavou also sucks at getting to the second level on interior runs when asked to. Pinkston is inconsistent but I do think he's got starting guard ability. Greco is valuable because we can move him around.
Just do a little googling...
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664212/chris-faulk
Overshadowed by all of the talent on the defensive line coming out of LSU in recent years was the development of Faulk as one of the best-looking pro prospects on the offensive line in the entire country.
The baby-faced Faulk might not look the part of today's NFL left tackle, but he played the part well in 2011 - his first full season as a starter after earning the nod at right tackle in LSU's final two regular-season games as a redshirt freshman.
However, Faulk's ascension was curtailed by a season-ending torn ACL suffered in practice following the 2012 season opener. He then surprised many by opting to enter the 2013 NFL Draft.
Despite his less-than-ideal frame, Faulk has demonstrated surprising agility and the length necessary to perform well in the SEC, earning second-team all-conference honors in his first season at left tackle. His play, in fact, was so impressive that he ranked No. 24 on Rob Rang's Big Board entering the 2012 season.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2013OT.php
Faulk had an excellent sophomore season at left tackle for LSU. He was a good pass-blocker and a road grader of a run-blocker. Faulk has a lot of athletic ability and the potential to be a special player. He had some issues in pass protection in the National Championship Game against Alabama. His first performance of the year against the Crimson Tide was much better.
Kiper said Faulk and senior tackle Alex Hurst both began the season projected to be “early-round” picks, but neither finished the season.
Right now [aug 2012] Faulk brings a lot to the table and is the #1 OT in the 2013 class. With his great size and athleticism he has everything teams look for in a tackle. The run blocking concerns are with merit, but over time and with proper coaching, they can be worked out and Faulk could become one of the top LT’s in the NFL. Some questions will be raised if he’s going to stay at LT, but they are truly ludicrous as he’s purely a LT and will be one in the NFL. I have a top 15 grade on Faulk and the only other tackle I have rated as high as him is DJ Fluker of Alabama, but right now I give the edge to Faulk in terms of technique and overall ability. http://www.thefootballstandard.com/scouting/scouting-report-chris-faulk/
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Thanks, Chris. I just remember when the Browns signed Faulk a lot of people said it could really pay off down the line because going into 2012 he was seen as a probable first round pick.
Just recently, I read that the Browns like Faulk very much and see him as a right tackle candidate, not a guard (especially at 6'6"). He's played a lot of left tackle and is seen as a better pass protector than run blocker, which has become the prescription at right tackle these days (with all the pass rushers).
I'm not saying we won't bring in more competition on the OL. My point is that with Thomas, Greco, Mack, Pinkston, Schwartz, and Faulk, we'll hardly be starting over. We won't likely draft anybody high but I could see a young ascending veteran AND an early 4th round draft pick added to the mix.
Again, lines tend to struggle when they block for bad quarterbacks and a stable of UDFA running backs. That said, I've seen holes for Obie AND Baker now. We just don't run the ball very much and we could certainly get better at running back. Bringing in Carlos Hyde and getting Dion back would be a great start.
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Thanks, Chris. I just remember when the Browns signed Faulk a lot of people said it could really pay off down the line because going into 2012 he was seen as a probable first round pick.
Just recently, I read that the Browns like Faulk very much and see him as a right tackle candidate, not a guard (especially at 6'6"). He's played a lot of left tackle and is seen as a better pass protector than run blocker, which has become the prescription at right tackle these days (with all the pass rushers).
I'm not saying we won't bring in more competition on the OL. My point is that with Thomas, Greco, Mack, Pinkston, Schwartz, and Faulk, we'll hardly be starting over. We won't likely draft anybody high but I could see a young ascending veteran AND an early 4th round draft pick added to the mix.
Again, lines tend to struggle when they block for bad quarterbacks and a stable of UDFA running backs. That said, I've seen holes for Obie AND Baker now. We just don't run the ball very much and we could certainly get better at running back. Bringing in Carlos Hyde and getting Dion back would be a great start.
Thanks, Chris. I just remember when the Browns signed Faulk a lot of people said it could really pay off down the line because going into 2012 he was seen as a probable first round pick.
Just recently, I read that the Browns like Faulk very much and see him as a right tackle candidate, not a guard (especially at 6'6"). He's played a lot of left tackle and is seen as a better pass protector than run blocker, which has become the prescription at right tackle these days (with all the pass rushers).
I'm not saying we won't bring in more competition on the OL. My point is that with Thomas, Greco, Mack, Pinkston, Schwartz, and Faulk, we'll hardly be starting over. We won't likely draft anybody high but I could see a young ascending veteran AND an early 4th round draft pick added to the mix.
Again, lines tend to struggle when they block for bad quarterbacks and a stable of UDFA running backs. That said, I've seen holes for Obie AND Baker now. We just don't run the ball very much and we could certainly get better at running back. Bringing in Carlos Hyde and getting Dion back would be a great start.
man you never give up. it's always the QBs fault or the RBs fault. never the OLs.
you are stuck on montana mode and need to be rebooted. meanwhile when montana was great he always had the best lines in front of him (at least in san fran). those battles between the gints and 9ers were based in the trenches man.
doesn't anyone get it?
sure we have some great talent on our lines but our Rside OL sucks cock and not being able to compress the opposing offensives pocket from our DL comes from playing this fucking horton scheme.
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Thanks, Chris. I just remember when the Browns signed Faulk a lot of people said it could really pay off down the line because going into 2012 he was seen as a probable first round pick.
Just recently, I read that the Browns like Faulk very much and see him as a right tackle candidate, not a guard (especially at 6'6"). He's played a lot of left tackle and is seen as a better pass protector than run blocker, which has become the prescription at right tackle these days (with all the pass rushers).
I'm not saying we won't bring in more competition on the OL. My point is that with Thomas, Greco, Mack, Pinkston, Schwartz, and Faulk, we'll hardly be starting over. We won't likely draft anybody high but I could see a young ascending veteran AND an early 4th round draft pick added to the mix.
Again, lines tend to struggle when they block for bad quarterbacks and a stable of UDFA running backs. That said, I've seen holes for Obie AND Baker now. We just don't run the ball very much and we could certainly get better at running back. Bringing in Carlos Hyde and getting Dion back would be a great start.
man you never give up. it's always the QBs fault or the RBs fault. never the OLs.
you are stuck on montana mode and need to be rebooted. meanwhile when montana was great he always had the best lines in front of him (at least in san fran). those battles between the gints and 9ers were based in the trenches man.
doesn't anyone get it?
sure we have some great talent on our lines but our Rside OL sucks cock and not being able to compress the opposing offensives pocket from our DL comes from playing this fucking horton scheme.
man you never give up. it's always the QBs fault or the RBs fault. never the OLs.
you are stuck on montana mode and need to be rebooted. meanwhile when montana was great he always had the best lines in front of him (at least in san fran). those battles between the gints and 9ers were based in the trenches man.
doesn't anyone get it?
sure we have some great talent on our lines but our Rside OL sucks cock and not being able to compress the opposing offensives pocket from our DL comes from playing this fucking horton scheme.
It's a good point, but you do realize that the Broncos have a patchwork offensive line and they are still ranked as the best line in football right now?
It's not always the talent of the players. It's also the calls of the coordinator and the play of those around them.
I, personally, think both of our guards should be replaced and Schwartz should move inside. We can start Faulk at RT and get a FA guard since this draft isn't as deep at interior line.
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man you never give up. it's always the QBs fault or the RBs fault. never the OLs.
you are stuck on montana mode and need to be rebooted. meanwhile when montana was great he always had the best lines in front of him (at least in san fran). those battles between the gints and 9ers were based in the trenches man.
doesn't anyone get it?
sure we have some great talent on our lines but our Rside OL sucks cock and not being able to compress the opposing offensives pocket from our DL comes from playing this fucking horton scheme.
It's a good point, but you do realize that the Broncos have a patchwork offensive line and they are still ranked as the best line in football right now?
It's not always the talent of the players. It's also the calls of the coordinator and the play of those around them.
I, personally, think both of our guards should be replaced and Schwartz should move inside. We can start Faulk at RT and get a FA guard since this draft isn't as deep at interior line.
It's a good point, but you do realize that the Broncos have a patchwork offensive line and they are still ranked as the best line in football right now?
It's not always the talent of the players. It's also the calls of the coordinator and the play of those around them.
I, personally, think both of our guards should be replaced and Schwartz should move inside. We can start Faulk at RT and get a FA guard since this draft isn't as deep at interior line.
i agree.
but to your first point all that shows me is that denver had good OL depth, whereas we maybe since the 80's never had.
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