Africa - poor by choice
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The government subsidizes poverty, which is why Obama should take notice and disavow his socialist roots...
complaining that historical colonization is to blame to current lack of economy to procure large scale equipment
for bigtime production in farming production by African farmers is like blaming poor grades in inner city schools
on chocolate frosted sugar bombs and playing baseball in school yards.
Always blaming, always excuses, always wanting a giant government magic twanger to make any problem ok
because there's a "reason", instead of having a legitmate solution that doesn't cause a problem elsewhere.
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The government subsidizes poverty, which is why Obama should take notice and disavow his socialist roots...
complaining that historical colonization is to blame to current lack of economy to procure large scale equipment
for bigtime production in farming production by African farmers is like blaming poor grades in inner city schools
on chocolate frosted sugar bombs and playing baseball in school yards.
Always blaming, always excuses, always wanting a giant government magic twanger to make any problem ok
because there's a "reason", instead of having a legitmate solution that doesn't cause a problem elsewhere.
The government subsidizes poverty, which is why Obama should take notice and disavow his socialist roots...
complaining that historical colonization is to blame to current lack of economy to procure large scale equipment
for bigtime production in farming production by African farmers is like blaming poor grades in inner city schools
on chocolate frosted sugar bombs and playing baseball in school yards.
Always blaming, always excuses, always wanting a giant government magic twanger to make any problem ok
because there's a "reason", instead of having a legitmate solution that doesn't cause a problem elsewhere.
I didn't say it was only historical colonization that caused it, but I guess it is easier for you to avoid the other points.
The reason they cannot procure larger farming equipment is because now they are owned by the world bank and IMF. When the Europeans left, they had not developed any manufacturing in the countries. So even though they were independent they depend on the west to buy their products. The US subsidizes their own farmers, so it is impossible for African farmers to compete and make a profit. That means the countries need to get loans from the World bank and IMF to try and develop. But, the only realistic choice for them is to attract a MNC to their country to set up manufacturing to raise the countries GDP, making them look like there is growth even though there is not. This "growth" allows them to get more loans and so on and so on.
These countries need these loans to just stay afloat, because they are mostly agrarian and the US rapes them in the ass with subsidies, and they cannot afford to develop their own manufacturing yet. The west still owns Africa, there is no way around it.
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well, I'm not an experte' on these matters, but why can't Africa just get
the loans from whatever orgs, and develop their own manufacturing of farm equipment?
I'm not against them developing their agriculture, I just think it's goofy to blame the US
for that, too.
We farm, we didn't get subsidies to build a new barn, and many thousands of $$$$ for equipment and land..,
but we're the bad guys because some of our soybeans might be sold to Africa to feed Africans?
I don't get liberals. Always blaming... us in our U.S.
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They didn't just spend it on farm equipment or everything because that would cost a shitload of money, and most of the countries have horrible corruption. They need to get more loans to pay for the first loans, and the way to qualify for those is by showing a growth in the GDP... make it enticing for MNCs to come in. This way their GDP goes up, but their economy really doesn't grow. A lot of the corruption problems come from democracy happening too soon, without the infrastructure there to support it.
And it is not goofy to blame the US for farm subsidies. They make it impossible to compete for Africa. I am surprised you aren't against the government taking your money, and paying a price for things you don't want to buy at a price higher than you would pay for it.
"but we're the bad guys because some of our soybeans might be sold to Africa to feed Africans?"
Why don't we teach them to fish, instead of giving them fish everyday. It will work out better in the end.
I am not a liberal by the way. I am more along the lines of a libertarian than anything. I just don't believe a free market is really free, a centrist economic policy would work best.
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mz. said:
That was a very heartwarming piece, cal.I'm guessing you believe Africa is black by choice, as well?
I personaly am friends with a couple of africans.... and they are white.
do you think the africa population is all black?
Most afriacans move to other countries to get away from socialistic governments.
I personaly am friends with a couple of africans.... and they are white.
No shit.
do you think the africa population is all black?
It isn't????? No way.
Most afriacans move to other countries to get away from socialistic governments.
Yes, the majority of Africans have the financial and logistical ability to pick up their family and move them to, say, the U.S.
Come on, T.
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well, I'm not an experte' on these matters, but why can't Africa just get
the loans from whatever orgs, and develop their own manufacturing of farm equipment?
I'm not against them developing their agriculture, I just think it's goofy to blame the US
for that, too.
We farm, we didn't get subsidies to build a new barn, and many thousands of $$$$ for equipment and land..,
but we're the bad guys because some of our soybeans might be sold to Africa to feed Africans?
I don't get liberals. Always blaming... us in our U.S.
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The government subsidizes poverty, which is why Obama should take notice and disavow his socialist roots...
complaining that historical colonization is to blame to current lack of economy to procure large scale equipment
for bigtime production in farming production by African farmers is like blaming poor grades in inner city schools
on chocolate frosted sugar bombs and playing baseball in school yards.
Always blaming, always excuses, always wanting a giant government magic twanger to make any problem ok
because there's a "reason", instead of having a legitmate solution that doesn't cause a problem elsewhere.
I didn't say it was only historical colonization that caused it, but I guess it is easier for you to avoid the other points.
The reason they cannot procure larger farming equipment is because now they are owned by the world bank and IMF. When the Europeans left, they had not developed any manufacturing in the countries. So even though they were independent they depend on the west to buy their products. The US subsidizes their own farmers, so it is impossible for African farmers to compete and make a profit. That means the countries need to get loans from the World bank and IMF to try and develop. But, the only realistic choice for them is to attract a MNC to their country to set up manufacturing to raise the countries GDP, making them look like there is growth even though there is not. This "growth" allows them to get more loans and so on and so on.
These countries need these loans to just stay afloat, because they are mostly agrarian and the US rapes them in the ass with subsidies, and they cannot afford to develop their own manufacturing yet. The west still owns Africa, there is no way around it.
because they are mostly agrarian and the US rapes them in the ass with subsidies, and they cannot afford to develop their own manufacturing yet. The west still owns Africa, there is no way around it.
Nothing about the $5-8 billion in humanitarian & development aid that the continent gets from the US alone every year?
It's not rape if you keep asking us to cuddle when we finish.
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And it is so obvious that after all of the years on this plan, it is working.
But that wouldn't have anything to do with warlords who have been running things well before we shit-bag westerners floated over & stole people to initiate the slave trade (apparently the only cause for Africa's current state of poverty), would it?
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pb and j let cal rant on about things that he obviously has not done much to any research on. 50+ countries thousands of natives tribes all speaking different languages within the same continent that dont recognize any government... Europeans and other countries who have had a foothold on Oil and mineral rights that are stolen from the native populations and money sent here and abroad...
You can always tell someones complete ignorance about the CONTINENT of Africa when someone uses the name of continent to define any specific socio-economic problem or any other problem about any of the many nations and people of that continent.
Legacy you really put up that aid package... to what specific country or region was that supposed to be allocted to? How much money does U.S. medical and oil industries not to mention chemical and mineral corps make from stripping that continents rescources without any epa or any other real oversight poisoning the land and people on a yearly basis? WELL over that aid package that rarely ever actually reach the people from corrupt governments and dictators we help prop up.
I am sure Cal that Obama who has actually been to the continent and probably has read more in a day about the many different cultures and countries that inhabit that continent does not need that article posted by you to learn something..
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pb and j let cal rant on about things that he obviously has not done much to any research on. 50+ countries thousands of natives tribes all speaking different languages within the same continent that dont recognize any government... Europeans and other countries who have had a foothold on Oil and mineral rights that are stolen from the native populations and money sent here and abroad...
You can always tell someones complete ignorance about the CONTINENT of Africa when someone uses the name of continent to define any specific socio-economic problem or any other problem about any of the many nations and people of that continent.
Legacy you really put up that aid package... to what specific country or region was that supposed to be allocted to? How much money does U.S. medical and oil industries not to mention chemical and mineral corps make from stripping that continents rescources without any epa or any other real oversight poisoning the land and people on a yearly basis? WELL over that aid package that rarely ever actually reach the people from corrupt governments and dictators we help prop up.
I am sure Cal that Obama who has actually been to the continent and probably has read more in a day about the many different cultures and countries that inhabit that continent does not need that article posted by you to learn something..
Legacy you really put up that aid package... to what specific country or region was that supposed to be allocted to?
Since I am well aware of the overwhelming burden of clicking a hyperlink and actually reading the text on said link, here:
And four African nations -- Sudan, Ethiopia, Egypt and Uganda -- rank among the world's top 10 recipients in aid from the United States.
Although some activists criticize Bush for not doing more to end the ongoing genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan, others credit him for playing a role in ending deadly conflicts in Liberia, the Congo and other parts of Sudan. Meanwhile, Bush has overseen a steady rise in U.S. trade with Africa, which has doubled since 2001.
Where are Clooney & the Gang's Liberia/Congo bumper stickers & rally's? Also, take note of the doubling of trade.""He [bush 2] should be known for increasing -- doubling development assistance and tripling it to Africa after a period in which U.S. development assistance was essentially flat for decades," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in a recent interview with the Associated Press. "He should be known for the largest single investment in AIDS and malaria, the biggest health investment of any government program ever."
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Last time I checked, the Congolese conflict hasn't ended. The LRA is coming in from Uganda and laying waste to every village in the Northwest of the country. The government and the rebels are still at odds. Uganda is still rife with corruption. The military that is supposed to be fighting the LRA is just sitting in their bases, sending back to the government bills for twice as many soldiers as there actually are. This facilitates the atrocities in Congo.
Or how about in the Central African Republic, where there are roving militias randomly murdering people on charges that they are "witches?"
Liberia has calmed down, but I think that is really more a case of the conflict just finally burning out. They went at it for decades.
Everybody knows we are doing nothing in Sudan because there are 4,000 Chinese soldiers there. China is growing, and needs there oil bad. We don't want to screw with China's shit, and China will veto UN action there.
You listed 4 places where there is US aid going. That is good and all, but there are 34 HIPC countries in sub-saharan Africa. Quit subsidizing every single thing that comes out of the ground if you want to help, our farmers will be fine. I wouldn't really count Egypt with that though, it has more to do with the Israel thing.
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""He [bush 2] should be known for increasing -- doubling development assistance and tripling it to Africa after a period in which U.S. development assistance was essentially flat for decades," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in a recent interview with the Associated Press. "He should be known for the largest single investment in AIDS and malaria, the biggest health investment of any government program ever."
So, Sev, where's the beef? This is a great thing, yes?
Or not, since it isn't a DEM president?
Research it, oh one with a lot of time. I don't have the time, myself.
Versatility and genius has it's limits, and I'm wd40ing our new 10' JD disc,
deciding where to put the greenhouse, studying our 3" thick hay book,
ordering seed,
sorry if my differing opinions shatter your peaceful psyche. Obama DOES need to read the article.
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Cal my peaceful psyche? yea I have been to a couple of coutries on that continent and the middle east as well as come from a country that has a cease fire from a war over 50 years ago. You talk of farming and then decide to post some information about topics you obviously know very little on. Keep talking about a Continental name as a definition for general problems from a continent that we help strip any natural rescources and leave the local populace with virtually nothing but poisoned air, water and land.
You guys talk about "aid" to a continent as if the rescources we take are not equivelent to well over 100 times the value and leave massive eco damage for the "africans" to deal with. Cal I dont post about farming techniques and the industry because I know very little on that subject maybe you should stick to what you actually know.
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Cal my peaceful psyche? yea I have been to a couple of coutries on that continent and the middle east as well as come from a country that has a cease fire from a war over 50 years ago. You talk of farming and then decide to post some information about topics you obviously know very little on. Keep talking about a Continental name as a definition for general problems from a continent that we help strip any natural rescources and leave the local populace with virtually nothing but poisoned air, water and land.
You guys talk about "aid" to a continent as if the rescources we take are not equivelent to well over 100 times the value and leave massive eco damage for the "africans" to deal with. Cal I dont post about farming techniques and the industry because I know very little on that subject maybe you should stick to what you actually know.
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I have a real estate and finance operation, I own interest in a startup web software development company. I did graduate college and lived overseas and in other countries. I spent my youth studying more subjects because my Family had very high educational standards along with exposing me to the world. So I feel I have been lucky and disciplined enough to read and study for most of my life. Maybe that sometimes comes off as being a know it all pompous type. I am not, I know where my limitations are and choose to push into those areas eventually so I can understand and experience more.
That is something I push on my children to experience and learn about anything and everything everyday. If that bothers you than maybe instead of trying to deliver some sarcastic insult pick up a book or attend a class on a subject you dont know... Hell I hear tell of some information superhighway new fangled thing that lets you have access to more knowledge than any library ever in existance had... something called the in ter net.
or you could just throw another insult my way, whatever makes you happy.
on a "farming" note my family and I have decided to raise chickens (brown eggs) and a small garden to start learning about some basic rudimentary farming techniques this year.
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You guys talk about "aid" to a continent as if the rescources we take are not equivelent to well over 100 times the value and
So we don't pay for any of it? Dude, can I get in on that?
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come on Legacy you are being coy..... revenue generated from domestic corps that pay more taxes to our government system yearly than our sporadic aid programs.. when they actually do fund. Like I said between oil/chemical/mineral rights our companies own ahem robbed and process destroying their ecology because they obviously dont have a robust epa or any sort of legitimate oversight and sold to our economy and europe's... Not to mention people and employers who put money into mutual funds that profit from those investments.
so yes technically you nor I pay ANY money toward these aid packages because the gross revenue in taxes and earnings from the market well exceed any sort of organized disbursement to that continent.
Africa is not poor by choice, more exploited by first imperialistic europe and than now by advanced capitalism that can deploy technology and money to corrupt.. I mean support governments who grant us anything we want in exchange for living better than the indeginous peoples. Its like what the Catholics did in order to market I mean spread their business... I mean religion to less advanced cultures. Come in with superior arms and funds to build schools that only taught from the Bible to brainwash I mean teach reading and support only leaders who granted them sole rights to exploit.... I mean help their people. That is why Catholicism still has tons of money coming from the Third world where education has much lower standards.
Not poor by choice but by exploitation and manipulation.
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Maybe that sometimes comes off as being a know it all pompous type SEV
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