When is a hc supposed to cut players on cue?
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This all makes no sense. It would be up to Chud to Bench them ... to CUT them in the middle of the season involves contract and cap ramifications ... the front office would handle that end.
The original article I saw was that FO wanted Chud to cut Little and Luvey to send a message. I would think the correct story is they wanted him to BENCH them.
Zombo
Zombo said:
This all makes no sense. It would be up to Chud to Bench them ... to CUT them in the middle of the season involves contract and cap ramifications ... the front office would handle that end.
The origanal article I saw was that FO wanted Chud to cut Little and Luvey to send a message. I would think the correct story is they wanted him to BENCH them.
Zombo
Sounds correct to me. The coach can bench players, but the FO is who cuts players. They did it all season with our practice squad guys
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wouldn't Norv have some say who gets benched also?
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Two coaches have been hired by other teams, and those coaches apparently
didn't care to talk to the Browns. When Haslam hired loopybardi, I knew it was trouble.
But after the Chud firing... they may HAVE to go to the college
ranks to find a hc that will follow in Chud's footsteps....
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head coaches do not cut players unless you are playing in HS. the HC in high school is know-all-be-all. in college you have an athletic director you have to answer to. in the NFL you have the GM and Pres. to answer to, and maybe even the owner if he is hands on like a jerry jones.
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Two coaches have been hired by other teams, and those coaches apparently
didn't care to talk to the Browns. When Haslam hired loopybardi, I knew it was trouble.
But after the Chud firing... they may HAVE to go to the college
ranks to find a hc that will follow in Chud's footsteps....
Two coaches have been hired by other teams, and those coaches apparently
didn't care to talk to the Browns. When Haslam hired loopybardi, I knew it was trouble.
But after the Chud firing... they may HAVE to go to the college
ranks to find a hc that will follow in Chud's footsteps....
There's a foul stench emanating from Berea these days, Smart NFL coaches are doing well to avoid it. If Lobotomy brings in McDaniels for a ton of money- it will probably be the last straw for this fan.
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just apologize to rob ryan for the last regime's mistakes and bring him back as HC, a young masterful OC on the rise and someone ryan hand picked as DC running through him.
very simple.
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Two coaches have been hired by other teams, and those coaches apparently
didn't care to talk to the Browns. When Haslam hired loopybardi, I knew it was trouble.
But after the Chud firing... they may HAVE to go to the college
ranks to find a hc that will follow in Chud's footsteps....
There's a foul stench emanating from Berea these days, Smart NFL coaches are doing well to avoid it. If Lobotomy brings in McDaniels for a ton of money- it will probably be the last straw for this fan.
There's a foul stench emanating from Berea these days, Smart NFL coaches are doing well to avoid it. If Lobotomy brings in McDaniels for a ton of money- it will probably be the last straw for this fan.
I am of the opinion that McDaniel might be fine. That he has learned a lot and has matured since his Denver days.
It is the GM that concerns me more mightily.
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There's a foul stench emanating from Berea these days, Smart NFL coaches are doing well to avoid it. If Lobotomy brings in McDaniels for a ton of money- it will probably be the last straw for this fan.
I am of the opinion that McDaniel might be fine. That he has learned a lot and has matured since his Denver days.
It is the GM that concerns me more mightily.
I am of the opinion that McDaniel might be fine. That he has learned a lot and has matured since his Denver days.
It is the GM that concerns me more mightily.
Give him 2% input in the draft, and tell him to STFU & not piss off his star players. Read his bio Gip- he's a POS without Tom Brady.
Fine article from Bud Shaw about the Browns FO hypocrisy. http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2014/01/cleveland_browns_coaching_sear.html.
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I am of the opinion that McDaniel might be fine. That he has learned a lot and has matured since his Denver days.
It is the GM that concerns me more mightily.
Give him 2% input in the draft, and tell him to STFU & not piss off his star players. Read his bio Gip- he's a POS without Tom Brady.
Fine article from Bud Shaw about the Browns FO hypocrisy. http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2014/01/cleveland_browns_coaching_sear.html.
Give him 2% input in the draft, and tell him to STFU & not piss off his star players. Read his bio Gip- he's a POS without Tom Brady.
Fine article from Bud Shaw about the Browns FO hypocrisy. http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2014/01/cleveland_browns_coaching_sear.html.
You can say Belichick is a POS without Brady......and guess what: You might could say the same about Paul Brown without Otto Graham. Without Otto PB had this record with the Browns:
5-7
9-2-1
9-3
7-5
8-3-1
8-5-1
7-6-1
In his 9-2-1 season his team lost to the Lions 59-17 in the NFL title game. In 1958 they tied with the Giants for the conference lead, but lost a playoff game to them. He didn't have another playoff appearance in his final 4 years with the Browns.
With the Bengals he made the playoffs 3 times....but never won a game. He was basically Marvin Lewis.
Hell....other than Joe Gibbs, name a Coach who could win titles with multiple QBs.
So, just because a coach fails in one spot doesn't mean he will fail in two. Hell, even Romeo Crennell got a second shot.
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Jimmy so far has shown he is willing to do whatever HE thinks he needs to do to make the team better. He's aggressive and hates to lose as much as most of us do. He throws his hands at the field in disgust and even leaves shitty games early........All the stuff I do. I for one will take a hands on, aggressive owner all day, that doesn't give a shit what people think.
As for his legal problems, it sounds like they are doing everything they're supposed to do to make amends for their mistakes.
Jimmy so far has shown he is willing to do whatever HE thinks he needs to do to make the team better.
Except for showing patience...
Wether it was Haslam or Dumb-tardi telling him to cut players- you let your HC make the decisions. Welcome to Snyderville- how's that working out in Washington?
Yes Jimmy- the rest of the NFL is laughing behind your back.
Snyderville? Damn, hoorta, even I was drawing the line at Jonestown...
What I don't understand is if Chud got fired for not cutting Weeds and/or Little why have they not been cut now that he is gone? Or is this part of the interview process for the new coach? Your first test as our new head coach is can you cut Weeds and/or Little!
Great question... and pretty damn funny to boot.
I find it hard to believe that we "missed the boat" on Rainey. Tampa had three different backs with 100 yard games this season, one back a 6th round pick and the other a UDFA. It's more likely that they have a great offensive line, which they do, and they have a runningback-friendly system, which they also do.
I'm also on the fence about the Bess situation. This is a guy that the FO traded for in the draft, claiming he's a guy they really wanted, then they want him benched halfway through the season. It seems like this FO is quick to realize their mistakes, which can be a good thing. But it also seems like they pull the trigger at the first sign of trouble, which can be a very bad thing.
I still believe Little can be a serviceable player in the right situation, even though he was statistically the worst WR this year. A guy his size, with his athleticism and experience at RB, can be hell on inside end arounds and short screens. That should be a guaranteed 5 yards every time.
Agree 100%...
just apologize to rob ryan for the last regime's mistakes and bring him back as HC, a young masterful OC on the rise and someone ryan hand picked as DC running through him.
While I love his DC work, I have the feeling that Rex is not HC material... may not even be interested.
For all his DC success you don't hear his name mentioned much.
Fine article from Bud Shaw about the Browns FO hypocrisy. http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2014/01/cleveland_browns_coaching_sear.html.
Good read. Pulled this from the article:
“Firing McDaniels 28 games into his tenure as the head coach is bad for both parties,” the critic wrote for NFL.com. “It wasn't enough time for the team to be fully developed, or enough time for McDaniels to grow into the job.”
The author? Mike Lombardi.
Holy shit!
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Give him 2% input in the draft, and tell him to STFU & not piss off his star players. Read his bio Gip- he's a POS without Tom Brady.
Fine article from Bud Shaw about the Browns FO hypocrisy. http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2014/01/cleveland_browns_coaching_sear.html.
You can say Belichick is a POS without Brady......and guess what: You might could say the same about Paul Brown without Otto Graham. Without Otto PB had this record with the Browns:
5-7
9-2-1
9-3
7-5
8-3-1
8-5-1
7-6-1
In his 9-2-1 season his team lost to the Lions 59-17 in the NFL title game. In 1958 they tied with the Giants for the conference lead, but lost a playoff game to them. He didn't have another playoff appearance in his final 4 years with the Browns.
With the Bengals he made the playoffs 3 times....but never won a game. He was basically Marvin Lewis.
Hell....other than Joe Gibbs, name a Coach who could win titles with multiple QBs.
So, just because a coach fails in one spot doesn't mean he will fail in two. Hell, even Romeo Crennell got a second shot.
You can say Belichick is a POS without Brady......and guess what: You might could say the same about Paul Brown without Otto Graham. Without Otto PB had this record with the Browns:
5-7
9-2-1
9-3
7-5
8-3-1
8-5-1
7-6-1
In his 9-2-1 season his team lost to the Lions 59-17 in the NFL title game. In 1958 they tied with the Giants for the conference lead, but lost a playoff game to them. He didn't have another playoff appearance in his final 4 years with the Browns.
With the Bengals he made the playoffs 3 times....but never won a game. He was basically Marvin Lewis.
Hell....other than Joe Gibbs, name a Coach who could win titles with multiple QBs.
So, just because a coach fails in one spot doesn't mean he will fail in two. Hell, even Romeo Crennell got a second shot.
McDaniels without Brady:
As HC: 11-17, 14th ranked offense, 20 PPG
Technically, McDaniels did get a second shot. He was OC of the Rams for a year after being HC in Denver.
As OC: 2-14, 31st ranked offense, 12 PPG
Then he goes back to New England and, voila, he's the OC of the #1 ranked offense only a year later.
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You can say Belichick is a POS without Brady......and guess what: You might could say the same about Paul Brown without Otto Graham. Without Otto PB had this record with the Browns:
5-7
9-2-1
9-3
7-5
8-3-1
8-5-1
7-6-1
In his 9-2-1 season his team lost to the Lions 59-17 in the NFL title game. In 1958 they tied with the Giants for the conference lead, but lost a playoff game to them. He didn't have another playoff appearance in his final 4 years with the Browns.
With the Bengals he made the playoffs 3 times....but never won a game. He was basically Marvin Lewis.
Hell....other than Joe Gibbs, name a Coach who could win titles with multiple QBs.
So, just because a coach fails in one spot doesn't mean he will fail in two. Hell, even Romeo Crennell got a second shot.
McDaniels without Brady:
As HC: 11-17, 14th ranked offense, 20 PPG
Technically, McDaniels did get a second shot. He was OC of the Rams for a year after being HC in Denver.
As OC: 2-14, 31st ranked offense, 12 PPG
Then he goes back to New England and, voila, he's the OC of the #1 ranked offense only a year later.
McDaniels without Brady:
As HC: 11-17, 14th ranked offense, 20 PPG
Technically, McDaniels did get a second shot. He was OC of the Rams for a year after being HC in Denver.
As OC: 2-14, 31st ranked offense, 12 PPG
Then he goes back to New England and, voila, he's the OC of the #1 ranked offense only a year later.
Moral of the story: Get a fucking Good QB. Not Paul Brown/Bill Belichick/Tom Landry/etc. etc. can do without a good QB.....so why should McDaniel?
That doesn't mean he may not be a good HC....if given the right equipment.
PB: 5-7 his first year without Otto.
Jimmy Johnson: 1-15 without Aikman
Bill Walsh: 1-13 without Montana
Noll: 1-13 without Bradshaw.
Should Chud have been given time? Sure, probably. Can McDaniel fuck up with a bad QB? Sure probably. Can he go places with a good QB? Sure, probably.
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McDaniels without Brady:
As HC: 11-17, 14th ranked offense, 20 PPG
Technically, McDaniels did get a second shot. He was OC of the Rams for a year after being HC in Denver.
As OC: 2-14, 31st ranked offense, 12 PPG
Then he goes back to New England and, voila, he's the OC of the #1 ranked offense only a year later.
Moral of the story: Get a fucking Good QB. Not Paul Brown/Bill Belichick/Tom Landry/etc. etc. can do without a good QB.....so why should McDaniel?
That doesn't mean he may not be a good HC....if given the right equipment.
PB: 5-7 his first year without Otto.
Jimmy Johnson: 1-15 without Aikman
Bill Walsh: 1-13 without Montana
Noll: 1-13 without Bradshaw.
Should Chud have been given time? Sure, probably. Can McDaniel fuck up with a bad QB? Sure probably. Can he go places with a good QB? Sure, probably.
Moral of the story: Get a fucking Good QB. Not Paul Brown/Bill Belichick/Tom Landry/etc. etc. can do without a good QB.....so why should McDaniel?
That doesn't mean he may not be a good HC....if given the right equipment.
PB: 5-7 his first year without Otto.
Jimmy Johnson: 1-15 without Aikman
Bill Walsh: 1-13 without Montana
Noll: 1-13 without Bradshaw.
Should Chud have been given time? Sure, probably. Can McDaniel fuck up with a bad QB? Sure probably. Can he go places with a good QB? Sure, probably.
Great Gip just get McDaniels the next Otto Graham, and Super Bowl here we come!!! You already forget he previously ran a pretty good qb (Cutler) & stud wr (Brandon Marshall) out of Denver, and thought Tim freaking Tebow was a better option? Makes Holmgren & Heckert look like freaking geniuses. Yeah- he's the guy that took Brady Quinn off our hands and gave us a decent year out of Peyton Hillis.
Just because Bill B learned from his mistakes, it's a non sequitur that McDaniels will do likewise. In fact history is against him, second time flops far outnumber second time successes. .
Sucked worse than Shurmur as OC in St Louis while we're at it. Ghoolie is dead right about one thing- the assistant coaches in New England know exactly how the real brains of the operation likes his coffee.
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“Firing McDaniels 28 games into his tenure as the head coach is bad for both parties,” the criticwrote for NFL.com. “It wasn't enough time for the team to be fully developed, or enough time for McDaniels to grow into the job.”
The author? Mike Lombardi.
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Egad, Limpbardi is enough to have a dismal outlook on the draft this May... sounds like banner
and limpbardi want a favorite to start winning next year, after that next draft. Chud was just a
stepping stone to get past the first losing season...
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“Firing McDaniels 28 games into his tenure as the head coach is bad for both parties,” the criticwrote for NFL.com. “It wasn't enough time for the team to be fully developed, or enough time for McDaniels to grow into the job.”
The author? Mike Lombardi.
But firing a coach 16 games into his tenure so you can hire a coach that got fired 28 games into his tenure ... now, that's the work of a genius.
Zombo
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Moral of the story: Get a fucking Good QB. Not Paul Brown/Bill Belichick/Tom Landry/etc. etc. can do without a good QB.....so why should McDaniel?
That doesn't mean he may not be a good HC....if given the right equipment.
PB: 5-7 his first year without Otto.
Jimmy Johnson: 1-15 without Aikman
Bill Walsh: 1-13 without Montana
Noll: 1-13 without Bradshaw.
Should Chud have been given time? Sure, probably. Can McDaniel fuck up with a bad QB? Sure probably. Can he go places with a good QB? Sure, probably.
Great Gip just get McDaniels the next Otto Graham, and Super Bowl here we come!!! You already forget he previously ran a pretty good qb (Cutler) & stud wr (Brandon Marshall) out of Denver, and thought Tim freaking Tebow was a better option? Makes Holmgren & Heckert look like freaking geniuses. Yeah- he's the guy that took Brady Quinn off our hands and gave us a decent year out of Peyton Hillis.
Just because Bill B learned from his mistakes, it's a non sequitur that McDaniels will do likewise. In fact history is against him, second time flops far outnumber second time successes. .
Sucked worse than Shurmur as OC in St Louis while we're at it. Ghoolie is dead right about one thing- the assistant coaches in New England know exactly how the real brains of the operation likes his coffee.
Great Gip just get McDaniels the next Otto Graham, and Super Bowl here we come!!! You already forget he previously ran a pretty good qb (Cutler) & stud wr (Brandon Marshall) out of Denver, and thought Tim freaking Tebow was a better option? Makes Holmgren & Heckert look like freaking geniuses. Yeah- he's the guy that took Brady Quinn off our hands and gave us a decent year out of Peyton Hillis.
Just because Bill B learned from his mistakes, it's a non sequitur that McDaniels will do likewise. In fact history is against him, second time flops far outnumber second time successes. .
Sucked worse than Shurmur as OC in St Louis while we're at it. Ghoolie is dead right about one thing- the assistant coaches in New England know exactly how the real brains of the operation likes his coffee.
I feel your anger, young Skywalker....but I am not buying that just because his situation was as you described in those other places that he cannot come here and succeed.
There isn't a name out that that I could bring a guarantee of success. Not Cowher/Gruden/Billick, not any college coach etc. etc. So, in my estimation this guy has about as good of a chance as anyone else to be successful.....and as good a chance as anyone else to be unsuccessful.
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