2013 Do-Over: Knowing What You Know Now, Which 2013 NFL Rookie HC Would You Have Chosen to Lead the Browns?
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How do the browns pump out all these good coaches anyway but not have any.
Arians, bellichik, saban, trestman, Ryan, etc.
Kinda annoying.
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How do the browns pump out all these good coaches anyway but not have any.
Arians, bellichik, saban, trestman, Ryan, etc.
Kinda annoying.
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How do the browns pump out all these good coaches anyway but not have any.
Arians, bellichik, saban, trestman, Ryan, etc.
Kinda annoying.
How do the browns pump out all these good coaches anyway but not have any.
Arians, bellichik, saban, trestman, Ryan, etc.
Kinda annoying.
How? Simple. Poor ownership, poor management. Art Modell was originally OK....when the NFL was really a small time business. But starting in the 80s when it became really big business he became shit. And the last decent guy that the Browns have had control of the team was Ernie Accorsi.
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Zombo said:
And if you want go back further ... Chuck Knoll and Bill Cowher.
Real Annoying.
Zombo
To be fair to the Browns to a point, when Chuck Noll was hired to run the Steelers the Browns HC was Blanton Collier who had taken the Browns to 4 NFL Title games in 6 years. Collier was still HC of the Browns for at least 3-4 years after Noll had taken that job.
And as for Bill Cowher......who did the Browns select as their coach instead of him? Bill Belichick....and we know all about him. Cowher was hired by the Steelers while BB was HC here.
And further about Cowher....I don't know if he would have made any difference to the whole Art Modell mess if he had been here.
Would he have become persona non grata like BB is here.....or would he have been excused and understood. like Ozzie Newsome is for going with the Ravens.
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Zombo said:
And if you want go back further ... Chuck Knoll and Bill Cowher.
Real Annoying.
Zombo
To be fair to the Browns to a point, when Chuck Noll was hired to run the Steelers the Browns HC was Blanton Collier who had taken the Browns to 4 NFL Title games in 6 years. Collier was still HC of the Browns for at least 3-4 years after Noll had taken that job.
And as for Bill Cowher......who did the Browns select as their coach instead of him? Bill Belichick....and we know all about him. Cowher was hired by the Steelers while BB was HC here.
And further about Cowher....I don't know if he would have made any difference to the whole Art Modell mess if he had been here.
Would he have become persona non grata like BB is here.....or would he have been excused and understood. like Ozzie Newsome is for going with the Ravens.
To be fair to the Browns to a point, when Chuck Noll was hired to run the Steelers the Browns HC was Blanton Collier who had taken the Browns to 4 NFL Title games in 6 years. Collier was still HC of the Browns for at least 3-4 years after Noll had taken that job.
And as for Bill Cowher......who did the Browns select as their coach instead of him? Bill Belichick....and we know all about him. Cowher was hired by the Steelers while BB was HC here.
And further about Cowher....I don't know if he would have made any difference to the whole Art Modell mess if he had been here.
Would he have become persona non grata like BB is here.....or would he have been excused and understood. like Ozzie Newsome is for going with the Ravens.
I still hate Ozzie to this day for slapping real Browns fans in the face,taking our franchise and SB's elsewhere..I hope he rots in hell with Art and Al...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
trestman, as for the reasons you stated.
where have all the hard-nosed coaches gone? i mean knoll or cowher or even davis wouldn't have put up with shit that players are getting away with nowadays.
bunch of pussies.
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To be fair to the Browns to a point, when Chuck Noll was hired to run the Steelers the Browns HC was Blanton Collier who had taken the Browns to 4 NFL Title games in 6 years. Collier was still HC of the Browns for at least 3-4 years after Noll had taken that job.
And as for Bill Cowher......who did the Browns select as their coach instead of him? Bill Belichick....and we know all about him. Cowher was hired by the Steelers while BB was HC here.
And further about Cowher....I don't know if he would have made any difference to the whole Art Modell mess if he had been here.
Would he have become persona non grata like BB is here.....or would he have been excused and understood. like Ozzie Newsome is for going with the Ravens.
I still hate Ozzie to this day for slapping real Browns fans in the face,taking our franchise and SB's elsewhere..I hope he rots in hell with Art and Al...
I still hate Ozzie to this day for slapping real Browns fans in the face,taking our franchise and SB's elsewhere..I hope he rots in hell with Art and Al...
dude you should learn how to deal with all that hate. one bad road rage from high blood pressure stroke and it's no joke. it'll kill ya.
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I still hate Ozzie to this day for slapping real Browns fans in the face,taking our franchise and SB's elsewhere..I hope he rots in hell with Art and Al...
dude you should learn how to deal with all that hate. one bad road rage from high blood pressure stroke and it's no joke. it'll kill ya.
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trestman, as for the reasons you stated.
where have all the hard-nosed coaches gone? i mean knoll or cowher or even davis wouldn't have put up with shit that players are getting away with nowadays.
bunch of pussies.
trestman, as for the reasons you stated.
where have all the hard-nosed coaches gone? i mean knoll or cowher or even davis wouldn't have put up with shit that players are getting away with nowadays.
bunch of pussies.
Well lets see...say your making 8.2 Mil a season per se..and your head coach makes 3.5 annually...do you really give a shit what he says to you?...thats what I thought...
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Bellichik is the only one that really seems to get away with it ^^.
But after 3 SB wins, the players must respect the hell out of him.
Harder for a young unproven guy to get away with stuff like that. Although mangina was potentially progressing with the browns. But we'll never know because he got fired 5 minutes after holmgren walked into the interview.
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I was impressed with how Trestman came in and got the team playing very well after the 2012 second half collapse with Lovie at the helm. He won two consecutive Gray Cups as head coach which pretty much stamps him as a "proven winner". He has a reputation as a qB guru and has plenty of NFL coaching experience. Hindsight being what it is, he outperformed the rookie coach Chud hands down. I may be wrong, but the Browns didn't even pursue him. More questionable FO scouting efforts leave many wondering if they have the ability to identify talent.
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Bellichik is the only one that really seems to get away with it ^^.
But after 3 SB wins, the players must respect the hell out of him.
Harder for a young unproven guy to get away with stuff like that. Although mangina was potentially progressing with the browns. But we'll never know because he got fired 5 minutes after holmgren walked into the interview.
Bellichik is the only one that really seems to get away with it ^^.
But after 3 SB wins, the players must respect the hell out of him.
Harder for a young unproven guy to get away with stuff like that. Although mangina was potentially progressing with the browns. But we'll never know because he got fired 5 minutes after holmgren walked into the interview.
Speaking of Mangini, why haven't the Browns interviewed him to come back? Oh, that's right- the Stooges want a puppet.
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Mangini won't see another NFL coaching job. He is a frustrated NFL player who proved the rumors from his stint with the Jets to be true. He is 100% control freak who will never have the ability to motivate his players because they just won't play for him. Personality goes a long way.
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To be fair to the Browns to a point, when Chuck Noll was hired to run the Steelers the Browns HC was Blanton Collier who had taken the Browns to 4 NFL Title games in 6 years. Collier was still HC of the Browns for at least 3-4 years after Noll had taken that job.
And as for Bill Cowher......who did the Browns select as their coach instead of him? Bill Belichick....and we know all about him. Cowher was hired by the Steelers while BB was HC here.
And further about Cowher....I don't know if he would have made any difference to the whole Art Modell mess if he had been here.
Would he have become persona non grata like BB is here.....or would he have been excused and understood. like Ozzie Newsome is for going with the Ravens.
I still hate Ozzie to this day for slapping real Browns fans in the face,taking our franchise and SB's elsewhere..I hope he rots in hell with Art and Al...
I still hate Ozzie to this day for slapping real Browns fans in the face,taking our franchise and SB's elsewhere..I hope he rots in hell with Art and Al...
Awful...I mean listen to what you just said. Modell left all the history, heritage, and colors in Cleveland when he left. Ozzie is doing his job. Everyone in Baltimore knows hes a Cleveland Brown. But hes a Brown player and Ravens front office guy. So how can you say you dislike him? People have to make a living too and he had a loyalty to Art and he followed his guy (pretty sure he made the right choice).
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Have to agree with the Ratbird guy
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I still hate Ozzie to this day for slapping real Browns fans in the face,taking our franchise and SB's elsewhere..I hope he rots in hell with Art and Al...
Awful...I mean listen to what you just said. Modell left all the history, heritage, and colors in Cleveland when he left. Ozzie is doing his job. Everyone in Baltimore knows hes a Cleveland Brown. But hes a Brown player and Ravens front office guy. So how can you say you dislike him? People have to make a living too and he had a loyalty to Art and he followed his guy (pretty sure he made the right choice).
Ravens5220 said:
Awful...I mean listen to what you just said. Modell left all the history, heritage, and colors in Cleveland when he left. Ozzie is doing his job. Everyone in Baltimore knows hes a Cleveland Brown. But hes a Brown player and Ravens front office guy. So how can you say you dislike him? People have to make a living too and he had a loyalty to Art and he followed his guy (pretty sure he made the right choice).
The settlement agreement was that Art Modell would be awarded a new NFL franchise in Baltimore and the Cleveland Browns franchise would remain intact. So, He didn't "leave" anything. All that stuff belonged to the franchise. It was the Court's order, not Art that did that.
As for Ozzie, I agree....he was offered a prestigious job as the first AA GM of an NFL team. He needed to take that job. (no one else was offering him anything similar). I don't know if loyalty to Art had a damn thing to do with it....but it was a good job offer and he had to say yes......and obviously he has done well.
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