Coordinator Hirings news
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As anyone who pays attention to me on these boards (probably not that many people, if anyone) knows, I'm a fan of the running game and I do think the RB position has some value. That being said, I do think that the money that might be spent on Ben Tate could be better spent elsewhere. Ben Tate ran well behind a line that was doing some amazing run blocking at the time. I'm not convinced that he's individually talented enough to warrant the kind of money some team is going to have to pay him. I'd rather see the Browns find another route to a serviceable RB and use the "Ben Tate salary money" to bolster other areas of the roster.
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We need to pick up a decent FB whoever we start at RB
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As anyone who pays attention to me on these boards (probably not that many people, if anyone) knows, I'm a fan of the running game and I do think the RB position has some value. That being said, I do think that the money that might be spent on Ben Tate could be better spent elsewhere. Ben Tate ran well behind a line that was doing some amazing run blocking at the time. I'm not convinced that he's individually talented enough to warrant the kind of money some team is going to have to pay him. I'd rather see the Browns find another route to a serviceable RB and use the "Ben Tate salary money" to bolster other areas of the roster.
As anyone who pays attention to me on these boards (probably not that many people, if anyone) knows, I'm a fan of the running game and I do think the RB position has some value. That being said, I do think that the money that might be spent on Ben Tate could be better spent elsewhere. Ben Tate ran well behind a line that was doing some amazing run blocking at the time. I'm not convinced that he's individually talented enough to warrant the kind of money some team is going to have to pay him. I'd rather see the Browns find another route to a serviceable RB and use the "Ben Tate salary money" to bolster other areas of the roster.
I pay attention.. just don't agree... at least not here.
Ben made Houston's line look good. He's a strong one-cut runner made for the Zone blocking scheme. If Kubiak is the OC, then for better or for worse that's what we will run.
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We need to pick up a decent FB whoever we start at RB
Better blocking, for sure. Not sold on *needing* a FB though. On the other hand, the idea of having a FB that can catch screens and run with it would be interesting.
I pay attention.. just don't agree... at least not here.
Ben made Houston's line look good. He's a strong one-cut runner made for the Zone blocking scheme. If Kubiak is the OC, then for better or for worse that's what we will run.
But is he the only one? Can we not get similar for less, and invest the money elsewhere?
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We need to pick up a decent FB whoever we start at RB
Better blocking, for sure. Not sold on *needing* a FB though. On the other hand, the idea of having a FB that can catch screens and run with it would be interesting.
I pay attention.. just don't agree... at least not here.
Ben made Houston's line look good. He's a strong one-cut runner made for the Zone blocking scheme. If Kubiak is the OC, then for better or for worse that's what we will run.
But is he the only one? Can we not get similar for less, and invest the money elsewhere?
But is he the only one? Can we not get similar for less, and invest the money elsewhere?
Quite possibly... zone blocking has turned more than a few unknown RBs into "stars"...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Quite possibly... zone blocking has turned more than a few unknown RBs into "stars"...
Alfred Morris anybody? I'd much rather have a system that can turn a RB in to a great RB, than a great RB turn a system in to a great system.
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Hear there’s interest in Gary Kubiak for #Browns OC job. Would make sense, given team’s FA love for RB Ben Tate, who’d be in the same system
Hear there’s interest in Gary Kubiak for #Browns OC job. Would make sense, given team’s FA love for RB Ben Tate, who’d be in the same system
If so, the offense would be in the hands of a true veteran....who, despite this year, has been a winner.
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I think Ben Tate money could be better used on other areas which are harder to find plug-and-play starters from the draft.
I think Ben Tate money could be better used on other areas which are harder to find plug-and-play starters from the draft.
Right now we have 1 "maybe-legit" RB... I'm pretty sure we NEED to spend some money to add weapons at that position. We should spend FA money on Tate and a relatively high draft pick on a RB. RBs get hurt, and we need a little more in the cupboard than we had last year...
Plus, a FB like somebody mentioned...
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Also, I'm not sure who is *less* reliable, Rapoport or MKC.
Follow both on Twitter and to me it's easily MKC. I swear to God half her tweets sound like she's 16 years old. I don't think she's terrible overall but her twitter skills make me cringe.
Edit: Wouldn't dislike the Kubiak hire in the slightest. I love the zone blocking scheme and he's run that well for years.
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Hey, no one would be more in support of greater emphasis on the run game than me. I've argued in favor of it ad naseum. I think Ben Tate is a solid back. I just don't know if he's going to be worth the money he's going to want. Tour2ma disagrees. That's fine; I may be wrong. Tate might end up being fantastic wherever he goes and may end up being quite the bargain. I don't know. I just think there's a better chance that he's solid, but not worth the FA money he gets.
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You MIGHT be thinking of Arian Foster. He's been very injury prone, and Tate replaced him a lot. Tate was injured too. here and there, but I don't know if I'd say he was "injury prone".
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Yup... prolly Foster who has broken the last three years or so...
Alfred Morris anybody? I'd much rather have a system that can turn a RB in to a great RB, than a great RB turn a system in to a great system.
Edwin Baker showed good one-cut aptitude... he just lacks a bit of size strength needed to break an LB arm tackle..
Hey, no one would be more in support of greater emphasis on the run game than me. I've argued in favor of it ad naseum. I think Ben Tate is a solid back. I just don't know if he's going to be worth the money he's going to want. Tour2ma disagrees.
I am also not sure if he is worth the money, but he sure as hell would fill the bill.
I was more taking issue with statement that Ben owed his success to the O-line. In zone schemes it's really up to the back to make it a success with a decisive cut. Linemen really only have to screen off defenders.
And for you FB lovers... you don't use one in a zone blocking scheme... at least not Kubiak's. Greg Jones was Houston's #1 FB in 2013. He played in all 16 games, but started only five. And their #2 FB??? Our old friend, Brad Smelley...
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I hope the mention of Kubiak isn't a tease. While I'm weary about a WCO coming back to Cleveland, since Shurmur ruined my view of it, Kubiak has always been a great offensive mind. He is exactly what a rookie coach like Pettine needs on that side of the ball... Plus, Hoyer would be good fit with Kubiak, and so would Bridgewater...
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Somebody has updated Wikipedia on the coaching staff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns
Which seems to line up with the official site:
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches.html
Already more vacancies than I thought there would be at this point.
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I think Ben Tate money could be better used on other areas which are harder to find plug-and-play starters from the draft.
Right now we have 1 "maybe-legit" RB... I'm pretty sure we NEED to spend some money to add weapons at that position. We should spend FA money on Tate and a relatively high draft pick on a RB. RBs get hurt, and we need a little more in the cupboard than we had last year...
Plus, a FB like somebody mentioned...
Right now we have 1 "maybe-legit" RB... I'm pretty sure we NEED to spend some money to add weapons at that position. We should spend FA money on Tate and a relatively high draft pick on a RB. RBs get hurt, and we need a little more in the cupboard than we had last year...
Plus, a FB like somebody mentioned...
Hey, no one would be more in support of greater emphasis on the run game than me. I've argued in favor of it ad naseum. I think Ben Tate is a solid back. I just don't know if he's going to be worth the money he's going to want. Tour2ma disagrees. That's fine; I may be wrong. Tate might end up being fantastic wherever he goes and may end up being quite the bargain. I don't know. I just think there's a better chance that he's solid, but not worth the FA money he gets.
I agree Tate may not be worth the money he's going to want- we've seen Denver start no-names in the backfield rack up 1,000+ yard seasons. Tre Mason or Carlos Hyde would fill the bill, and taking either would make me very happy draft day. Mason is no T-Rich IMO.
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Tate would be a serviceable running back, most likely, in a system he already knows. But, why should we spend big FA money on a RB whose production could most likely be reproduced by a second or third rounder, or below? Instead of giving him $5m a year (or whatever it'd be) and drafting a 3rd round CB - because let's be honest, we're most likely looking offense with picks 1b and 2 - spend that money of decent CB, for example.
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Tate would be a serviceable running back, most likely, in a system he already knows. But, why should we spend big FA money on a RB whose production could most likely be reproduced by a second or third rounder, or below? Instead of giving him $5m a year (or whatever it'd be) and drafting a 3rd round CB - because let's be honest, we're most likely looking offense with picks 1b and 2 - spend that money of decent CB, for example.
Tate would be a serviceable running back, most likely, in a system he already knows. But, why should we spend big FA money on a RB whose production could most likely be reproduced by a second or third rounder, or below? Instead of giving him $5m a year (or whatever it'd be) and drafting a 3rd round CB - because let's be honest, we're most likely looking offense with picks 1b and 2 - spend that money of decent CB, for example.
At this point, I agree, I would rather get an RB out of the draft.....maybe a couple with out 10 picks.
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