Coordinator Hirings news
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Hey, no one would be more in support of greater emphasis on the run game than me. I've argued in favor of it ad naseum. I think Ben Tate is a solid back. I just don't know if he's going to be worth the money he's going to want. Tour2ma disagrees. That's fine; I may be wrong. Tate might end up being fantastic wherever he goes and may end up being quite the bargain. I don't know. I just think there's a better chance that he's solid, but not worth the FA money he gets.
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You MIGHT be thinking of Arian Foster. He's been very injury prone, and Tate replaced him a lot. Tate was injured too. here and there, but I don't know if I'd say he was "injury prone".
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Yup... prolly Foster who has broken the last three years or so...
Alfred Morris anybody? I'd much rather have a system that can turn a RB in to a great RB, than a great RB turn a system in to a great system.
Edwin Baker showed good one-cut aptitude... he just lacks a bit of size strength needed to break an LB arm tackle..
Hey, no one would be more in support of greater emphasis on the run game than me. I've argued in favor of it ad naseum. I think Ben Tate is a solid back. I just don't know if he's going to be worth the money he's going to want. Tour2ma disagrees.
I am also not sure if he is worth the money, but he sure as hell would fill the bill.
I was more taking issue with statement that Ben owed his success to the O-line. In zone schemes it's really up to the back to make it a success with a decisive cut. Linemen really only have to screen off defenders.
And for you FB lovers... you don't use one in a zone blocking scheme... at least not Kubiak's. Greg Jones was Houston's #1 FB in 2013. He played in all 16 games, but started only five. And their #2 FB??? Our old friend, Brad Smelley...
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I hope the mention of Kubiak isn't a tease. While I'm weary about a WCO coming back to Cleveland, since Shurmur ruined my view of it, Kubiak has always been a great offensive mind. He is exactly what a rookie coach like Pettine needs on that side of the ball... Plus, Hoyer would be good fit with Kubiak, and so would Bridgewater...
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Somebody has updated Wikipedia on the coaching staff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns
Which seems to line up with the official site:
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches.html
Already more vacancies than I thought there would be at this point.
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I think Ben Tate money could be better used on other areas which are harder to find plug-and-play starters from the draft.
Right now we have 1 "maybe-legit" RB... I'm pretty sure we NEED to spend some money to add weapons at that position. We should spend FA money on Tate and a relatively high draft pick on a RB. RBs get hurt, and we need a little more in the cupboard than we had last year...
Plus, a FB like somebody mentioned...
Right now we have 1 "maybe-legit" RB... I'm pretty sure we NEED to spend some money to add weapons at that position. We should spend FA money on Tate and a relatively high draft pick on a RB. RBs get hurt, and we need a little more in the cupboard than we had last year...
Plus, a FB like somebody mentioned...
Hey, no one would be more in support of greater emphasis on the run game than me. I've argued in favor of it ad naseum. I think Ben Tate is a solid back. I just don't know if he's going to be worth the money he's going to want. Tour2ma disagrees. That's fine; I may be wrong. Tate might end up being fantastic wherever he goes and may end up being quite the bargain. I don't know. I just think there's a better chance that he's solid, but not worth the FA money he gets.
I agree Tate may not be worth the money he's going to want- we've seen Denver start no-names in the backfield rack up 1,000+ yard seasons. Tre Mason or Carlos Hyde would fill the bill, and taking either would make me very happy draft day. Mason is no T-Rich IMO.
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Tate would be a serviceable running back, most likely, in a system he already knows. But, why should we spend big FA money on a RB whose production could most likely be reproduced by a second or third rounder, or below? Instead of giving him $5m a year (or whatever it'd be) and drafting a 3rd round CB - because let's be honest, we're most likely looking offense with picks 1b and 2 - spend that money of decent CB, for example.
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Tate would be a serviceable running back, most likely, in a system he already knows. But, why should we spend big FA money on a RB whose production could most likely be reproduced by a second or third rounder, or below? Instead of giving him $5m a year (or whatever it'd be) and drafting a 3rd round CB - because let's be honest, we're most likely looking offense with picks 1b and 2 - spend that money of decent CB, for example.
Tate would be a serviceable running back, most likely, in a system he already knows. But, why should we spend big FA money on a RB whose production could most likely be reproduced by a second or third rounder, or below? Instead of giving him $5m a year (or whatever it'd be) and drafting a 3rd round CB - because let's be honest, we're most likely looking offense with picks 1b and 2 - spend that money of decent CB, for example.
At this point, I agree, I would rather get an RB out of the draft.....maybe a couple with out 10 picks.
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Tate would be a serviceable running back, most likely, in a system he already knows. But, why should we spend big FA money on a RB whose production could most likely be reproduced by a second or third rounder, or below? Instead of giving him $5m a year (or whatever it'd be) and drafting a 3rd round CB - because let's be honest, we're most likely looking offense with picks 1b and 2 - spend that money of decent CB, for example.
At this point, I agree, I would rather get an RB out of the draft.....maybe a couple with out 10 picks.
At this point, I agree, I would rather get an RB out of the draft.....maybe a couple with out 10 picks.
I totally agree. Why buy some used tread when we have plenty of draft picks to grab some fresh legs. Running backs don't need a lot of seasoning or coaching, Grab them when they are young (not 34 like Willis ... what a bad joke that was).
Seems like a lot of good running backs coming out early in this draft, grab a bruiser to go with Lewis and Baker/Oby.
Zombo
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Somebody has updated Wikipedia on the coaching staff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns
Which seems to line up with the official site:
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches.html
Already more vacancies than I thought there would be at this point.
Somebody has updated Wikipedia on the coaching staff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns
Which seems to line up with the official site:
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches.html
Already more vacancies than I thought there would be at this point.
The funny thing is the wikipedia entry for Mike Pettine had him listed as HC of the Browns before it was even announced.
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NBC Sports just called the possibility of Kubiak coming to the Browns as the OC "unlikely".
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NBC Sports just called the possibility of Kubiak coming to the Browns as the OC "unlikely".
NBC Sports just called the possibility of Kubiak coming to the Browns as the OC "unlikely".
Then that should mean its a done deal, right?
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Tate would be a serviceable running back, most likely, in a system he already knows. But, why should we spend big FA money on a RB whose production could most likely be reproduced by a second or third rounder, or below? Instead of giving him $5m a year (or whatever it'd be) and drafting a 3rd round CB - because let's be honest, we're most likely looking offense with picks 1b and 2 - spend that money of decent CB, for example.
But, why should we spend big FA money on a RB whose production could most likely be reproduced by a second or third rounder, or below?
Because he's a proven back at the NFL level and we can afford him?
Ice Dawg19 said:
Wade Phillips as - DC
Wade is strictly a 3-4 guy... He's not exactly a "taylor-your-Defense-to-your-personel" kind of guy.
Pettine is going to bring one of his staffers from the Bills to be a DC...
You read it here first...
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tate, schmate.
grab some laundry guy in the 5th round. he'll be the next curtis martin.
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I read where Pettine wants an ex HC on his staff. With Kubiak apparently out of the mix it will be interesting to watch. Other than that, I wouldn't be surprised to see mostly younger guys. We'll see.
Mike.
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Will not be Jim Schwartz....he has replaced Pettine in Buffalo
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