Question for the Board
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Masters said:
Well I'd say it's the guy who can figure out that missing 5% that is needed to make the right call. But that is splitting hairs.At the end of the day in NE, it all comes down to BB. Both in who to draft, as well as being able to coach the players he's got.
So you are saying at the end of the day......OPINIONS DIFFER AND SOMETIMES ARE COMPLETELY OPPOSITE WHEN EVALUATING TALENT
ha ha ha ha
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Masters, Well, in essence then you agree with me......the geniuses are few and they have a bunch of assistants doing diligence for them. That is why I stay away from hiring the the assistant of brilliance
Masters, Well, in essence then you agree with me......the geniuses are few and they have a bunch of assistants doing diligence for them. That is why I stay away from hiring the the assistant of brilliance
We just about do on this one (I know, shocking
). Like in all areas of business, you got to have your gurnts do the diligence for you. Then at the top, you take that info and make the best decision based on what you have, plus your own savy. As for the assistant of brilliance, they all have to come from some where. BB was once that to Parcells, as one example. He certainly passed the teacher up. But if your gonna go get one of those assistant of brilliance, you better be damn sure his shine is his own, and not just a reflection from the one above them. Say in the case of Dimitroff of ATL, obviously he had his own shine and it wasn't just the reflection from BB or Pioli.
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Good post, I will keep my eye on Dimitroff......and see what happens. Bottom line is IMPACT PLAYERS MAKE THE DIFFERNCE GET THEM
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Good post, I will keep my eye on Dimitroff......and see what happens. Bottom line is IMPACT PLAYERS MAKE THE DIFFERNCE GET THEM
Good post, I will keep my eye on Dimitroff......and see what happens. Bottom line is IMPACT PLAYERS MAKE THE DIFFERNCE GET THEM
Tell me...who are the impact players in this draft?
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I will be honest with you I lost interest in sorting it out. So this year, I have no choice about impact players. My guess is Beanie Wells can be big time if he can stay healthy and Crabtree can be the real deal. Other than that I have no opinion and am not gaga over either of those two either. Sanchez is intriguing if I were the Browns I would pick him.
And who do you think the impact players are and I do understand you have studied way more than me this year
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Good post, I will keep my eye on Dimitroff......and see what happens. Bottom line is IMPACT PLAYERS MAKE THE DIFFERNCE GET THEM
Good post, I will keep my eye on Dimitroff......and see what happens. Bottom line is IMPACT PLAYERS MAKE THE DIFFERNCE GET THEM
They do. Then again, I'd say many guys wouldn't be quite the impact player under different coaches. In the end, it comes down to the combination of people who can spot them, and people who can make/get the most out of those players. As JADBF pointed out with Harrison of PIT. Dude was cut multiple times, practice squaded, etc. Yet was made into an impact player.
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Part of being impact is given talent and part is getting better as time progresses.........a lot of players get no better after say 21 and some keep getting better........and I surmise few talent scouts look at the quality of always improving year after year............
young people reach there peak when........the key is get guys who are still accelerating to the peak
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How have CLE's scouts failed miserably? Have you read their scouting reports? Did you see who they recommended? No, you didn't.
Have you seen Pitt's scouting reports? Have you seen the 31 other teams scouting reports to compare? no you haven't...so saying that 95% are the same is CONJECTURE and Opinion...last time I checked Mayock, Mcxxxxstick, and kiper were TV analyst
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Pittsburgh has been absolute superior in not overpaying and letting people go who want more than worth..................
That is also part of the Rooney philosophy stay young and do not overpay and only load the money truck for true franchise players
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Part of being impact is given talent and part is getting better as time progresses.........a lot of players get no better after say 21 and some keep getting better........and I surmise few talent scouts look at the quality of always improving year after year............
young people reach there peak when........the key is get guys who are still accelerating to the peak
Part of being impact is given talent and part is getting better as time progresses.........a lot of players get no better after say 21 and some keep getting better........and I surmise few talent scouts look at the quality of always improving year after year............
young people reach there peak when........the key is get guys who are still accelerating to the peak
Another thing we'd agree on Rich.
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How have CLE's scouts failed miserably? Have you read their scouting reports? Did you see who they recommended? No, you didn't.
Have you seen Pitt's scouting reports? Have you seen the 31 other teams scouting reports to compare? no you haven't...so saying that 95% are the same is CONJECTURE and Opinion...last time I checked Mayock, Mcxxxxstick, and kiper were TV analyst
How have CLE's scouts failed miserably? Have you read their scouting reports? Did you see who they recommended? No, you didn't.
Have you seen Pitt's scouting reports? Have you seen the 31 other teams scouting reports to compare? no you haven't...so saying that 95% are the same is CONJECTURE and Opinion...last time I checked Mayock, Mcxxxxstick, and kiper were TV analyst
Mayock actually scouts and is a former player. McShay has worked as a talent evaluator. They were two examples. I didn't even mention Kiper, who is for sure just a TV talking head. I see you decided to skip ripping scouts inc. Yet in a Rey thread, you'll jump on board with quotes from another scouting service. Hmm....
Scouts and scouting players are very different than the guy picking players. It's hardly conjecture when I can pull you scouting reports from dozens of scouting services, as well as quotes from actual NFL scouts.
Saying CLE scouting department and it's current employees, with zero to go on, other than the drafts of two INDIVIDUALS, is conjuncture.
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Pittsburgh has been absolute superior in not overpaying and letting people go who want more than worth..................
That is also part of the Rooney philosophy stay young and do not overpay and only load the money truck for true franchise players
Pittsburgh has been absolute superior in not overpaying and letting people go who want more than worth..................
That is also part of the Rooney philosophy stay young and do not overpay and only load the money truck for true franchise players
Even more importantly, they never let that guy go until they have someone to fill that hole. The only recent exception is with their OL. But I doubt that will go unresolved.
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How have CLE's scouts failed miserably? Have you read their scouting reports? Did you see who they recommended? No, you didn't.
Have you seen Pitt's scouting reports? Have you seen the 31 other teams scouting reports to compare? no you haven't...so saying that 95% are the same is CONJECTURE and Opinion...last time I checked Mayock, Mcxxxxstick, and kiper were TV analyst
Mayock actually scouts and is a former player. McShay has worked as a talent evaluator. They were two examples. I didn't even mention Kiper, who is for sure just a TV talking head. I see you decided to skip ripping scouts inc. Yet in a Rey thread, you'll jump on board with quotes from another scouting service. Hmm....
Scouts and scouting players are very different than the guy picking players. It's hardly conjecture when I can pull you scouting reports from dozens of scouting services, as well as quotes from actual NFL scouts.
Saying CLE scouting department and it's current employees, with zero to go on, other than the drafts of two INDIVIDUALS, is conjuncture.
Masters said:
Mayock actually scouts and is a former player. McShay has worked as a talent evaluator. They were two examples. I didn't even mention Kiper, who is for sure just a TV talking head. I see you decided to skip ripping scouts inc. Yet in a Rey thread, you'll jump on board with quotes from another scouting service. Hmm....Scouts and scouting players are very different than the guy picking players. It's hardly conjecture when I can pull you scouting reports from dozens of scouting services, as well as quotes from actual NFL scouts.
Saying CLE scouting department and it's current employees, with zero to go on, other than the drafts of two INDIVIDUALS, is conjuncture.
Get over it dude...I mentioned off handed we should steal some of pittsbughs STAFF. Quit being a Retard. point is was and shall be people's opinions differ. IF You want to argue that...your stupid! to say if you line up 20 different scouts and 18 are going to have the same opinions is insane!
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Masters said:
Mayock actually scouts and is a former player. McShay has worked as a talent evaluator. They were two examples. I didn't even mention Kiper, who is for sure just a TV talking head. I see you decided to skip ripping scouts inc. Yet in a Rey thread, you'll jump on board with quotes from another scouting service. Hmm....Scouts and scouting players are very different than the guy picking players. It's hardly conjecture when I can pull you scouting reports from dozens of scouting services, as well as quotes from actual NFL scouts.
Saying CLE scouting department and it's current employees, with zero to go on, other than the drafts of two INDIVIDUALS, is conjuncture.
Get over it dude...I mentioned off handed we should steal some of pittsbughs STAFF. Quit being a Retard. point is was and shall be people's opinions differ. IF You want to argue that...your stupid! to say if you line up 20 different scouts and 18 are going to have the same opinions is insane!
Get over it dude...I mentioned off handed we should steal some of pittsbughs STAFF. Quit being a Retard. point is was and shall be people's opinions differ. IF You want to argue that...your stupid!
LMFAO....You are the one that changed the subject to complaining about CLE keeping the current scouts 2 months away from the draft. You are the one that can't keep track of what you have posted. Like complaining about people not posting in a thread you start, then complaining when someone responds. Yet I am the Retard? Classic!
I've tried over and over to give you the benifit of the doubt, but Russ has had you pegged right.
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Get over it dude...I mentioned off handed we should steal some of pittsbughs STAFF. Quit being a Retard. point is was and shall be people's opinions differ. IF You want to argue that...your stupid!
LMFAO....You are the one that changed the subject to complaining about CLE keeping the current scouts 2 months away from the draft. You are the one that can't keep track of what you have posted. Like complaining about people not posting in a thread you start, then complaining when someone responds. Yet I am the Retard? Classic!
I've tried over and over to give you the benifit of the doubt, but Russ has had you pegged right.
Masters said:
LMFAO....You are the one that changed the subject to complaining about CLE keeping the current scouts 2 months away from the draft. You are the one that can't keep track of what you have posted. Like complaining about people not posting in a thread you start, then complaining when someone responds. Yet I am the Retard? Classic!I've tried over and over to give you the benifit of the doubt, but Russ has had you pegged right.
I you can't see the sarcasm I'm sorry for you.... "We should steal some of there talent evaluators(scouts)....Kokinis said he's staying with our scouts....How freakin stupid is that??? Go get steeler scouts or NE scouts or Indy scouts.....hey hijack Parcells and water board his ass for how to evaluate 3-4 talent"
Whatever dude...I have you pegged
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Evaluating talent, scouting, judging the talent is Hugelly varied...for proof Look at our board...hell look no further that MM saying Andra Davis is as good as Patrick willis.....Couldn't Disagree more. so to telling me that evaluating talent is the same is xxxxingggg nonsense
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to say if you line up 20 different scouts and 18 are going to have the same opinions is insane!
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Simple... Colbert doesn't want to leave. He works for one of the most stable fanchises in the NFL. He and the head coach have 50/50 say in personnel. The only two higher in the organization are Dan and Art jr.
He was also born and raised in Pittsburgh. His brother coaches St. Vincent's football team where the Steelers training camp is held. He loves being a Steeler, like most.
Tom Donahue would still be here if he could get along with Cowher.
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Masters said:
LMFAO....You are the one that changed the subject to complaining about CLE keeping the current scouts 2 months away from the draft. You are the one that can't keep track of what you have posted. Like complaining about people not posting in a thread you start, then complaining when someone responds. Yet I am the Retard? Classic!I've tried over and over to give you the benifit of the doubt, but Russ has had you pegged right.
I you can't see the sarcasm I'm sorry for you.... "We should steal some of there talent evaluators(scouts)....Kokinis said he's staying with our scouts....How freakin stupid is that??? Go get steeler scouts or NE scouts or Indy scouts.....hey hijack Parcells and water board his ass for how to evaluate 3-4 talent"
Whatever dude...I have you pegged
I you can't see the sarcasm I'm sorry for you.... "We should steal some of there talent evaluators(scouts)....Kokinis said he's staying with our scouts....How freakin stupid is that??? Go get steeler scouts or NE scouts or Indy scouts.....hey hijack Parcells and water board his ass for how to evaluate 3-4 talent"
Whatever dude...I have you pegged
I you see can't put together a sentence (how's that for sarcasm)
Yep, you have me pegged. Pegged as someone you now have to start polls about a comment I made, got so worked up over you can't type out a sentence, and go looking for other people for back up. Classic! I never would have thought my two cents carried so much weight.
Shouldn't you be starting another thread about Rey M or something
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