I don't like "older" Browns fans...
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@mike-h said:
I don't fucking think anything, I'm just tired of know-it-alls who think Brian Hoyer is Joe Montana and 2.) their opinion holds any water to the Browns' scouting department.
So don't tell me what I think, K? K.
I write for some sites and watch game film... I could give a shit less if anyone agrees with me. I also don't act like my opinions on players are gold and dismiss everyone else's, like most people here. And I don't make opinions based off other analyst's, or before I have had enough time to watch, compare and make intelligent observations.
Another reason I try as hard as I can to avoid taking a stance here, because I see how everyone else does it--and it's a waste of time trying to have intelligent discussions when everyone acts 12 years old. I have yet to give my opinion, while trying to open up the discussion, because there is no use anymore with the current state of this place. My posting time/reading has really went down the past two weeks and it will be close to nothing soon.
You can't make definitive statements like "there are no top four quarterbacks" or no potential "superstar quarterbacks" before even beginning a dialogue, when your opinion isn't worth its weight in shit.
Pardon my geopolitical example:
It's like Israel saying, "We will not stop building settlements on Palestinian lands, but let's talk about getting them some nice arid, desert property set up for them over by the Golan Heights."
The precursor to discussion, is being open to other ideas while starting on an equal playing field. When you make definitive statements or deny information at the start, you are not even engaging in the same process... and it's a waste of my fucking time.
Again, before you say the same shit again, I am not sure who--if any--of the top 4 QBs are worth a top-four pick, or worth trading up for, I am especially NOT SURE, that none of them are. Time to stop saying things that are clearly not true. I have not made a my stance one way or the other, other than jokingly or to troll someone like PoG--who fucking deserves every bit of it.
Mike as I said before I normally hold your posts and you in high regard. When I or another poster say things like " I don't believe" or "I am not sold on" etc regarding the QB talent in this draft we are not making definitive statements about that talent. We are simply attempting to have dialogue on a Browns fan board about our team and the upcoming draft. I don't believe that I, the poster you originally responded to or most others have declared definitively that there is no elite QB in the draft, we simply have reservations. I like Bryan Hoyer but I am pretty sure that neither I or anyone else on this board sees him as the next coming of Joe Montana. I am also pretty sure most of us are in touch with reality enough to know we don't sway the Browns scouting staff opinions. With Lombardi's fingers in that pie you might wish we did.
The fact is you are saying you are not sure they are elite and you are not sure they aren't. For those of us prefacing statements with as detailed above we are essentially saying the same damn thing. At the end of the day I don't give a shit who ends up right or wrong. I want the same thing as you, a Browns team thats winning football games.
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@mike-h said:
Never been to Afghanistan. I lost the little respect I had for you with that comment.
Your reading glasses could use some cleaning too old man.
I am not on any bandwagon you illiterate. The only things I've said, were observations of the way I see this management team working. And from that, I see them moving forward with a QB taken in the top 4. Nowhere have I stated a professional, journalist opinion on what I think should happen, or even what I want to happen.
So please, tell me more about what I think and how I conduct myself. You're part of the problem I've been describing and you're a little sensitive it seems.
ok pal.
you claim to have stated that you have no stand in how the browns draft, except in every post since the end of 'our' season you have made it totally clear if they don't pick a QB @4 you'll go nuts. i sure as hell wouldn't want to be in your household when that non-QB pick comes in.
and obviously you aren't a professional at anything except spouting your cynical views of other fans who don't agree with you.
great job. not bad for a cook.
go fuck yourself poser.
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They make my god damn head want to explode. They want to build a 1960's team in a 2014 era.
1. Every single older Browns fan I talk to wants a Lumbering doofus QB who's AT LEAST 6'4 230 pounds with a rocket arm. These are the same assholes that continue support for Weeden. I just heard some douche bag say he wants Zach Mettenberger over Manziel because he's a prima donna. Manziel is too fun and exciting for these old men bleeding deacon so of course they want a classic pocket passer. God forbid we have some fucking excitement
2. They act unless you have 5 fucking pro bowlers on the offensive line then you have to take an offensive linemen at all cost in the first round.
3. They all want a smashmouth running back. Dude, nobody gives a shit about smashmouth running backs anymore. Quit living in your fathers fucking NFL
4. Rant over.
They make my god damn head want to explode. They want to build a 1960's team in a 2014 era.
1. Every single older Browns fan I talk to wants a Lumbering doofus QB who's AT LEAST 6'4 230 pounds with a rocket arm. These are the same assholes that continue support for Weeden. I just heard some douche bag say he wants Zach Mettenberger over Manziel because he's a prima donna. Manziel is too fun and exciting for these old men bleeding deacon so of course they want a classic pocket passer. God forbid we have some fucking excitement
2. They act unless you have 5 fucking pro bowlers on the offensive line then you have to take an offensive linemen at all cost in the first round.
3. They all want a smashmouth running back. Dude, nobody gives a shit about smashmouth running backs anymore. Quit living in your fathers fucking NFL
4. Rant over.
Sorry man, you don't know what you are talking about. I have been talking the spread and how it is going(now taking) over the NFL for 3-4 years now. I don't want a damn dropback QB. I want a guy who can run as well as throw.
As to the other points, No, you don't need 5 pro-bowl lineman, but you need a good line, and as far as the back is concerned, they come in all sizes and shapes. I don't really care as long as he is money.
OH....I have blasted fullbacks for a decade or more. A wasted position. If you want blocking, but a reserve guard back there. I'd rather see another receiver on the field or go with a 2 back set. I mean 2 real backs who can both run and catch.
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@walterwhite said:
Oh really shit for brains?
Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Big Ben, Eli Manning, Aaron Rogers, Brett Favre, Steve Young, and Troy Aikman all say go fuck yourself.
Guys in bold had amazing defenses on their team. Other three had defenses that got hot in playoffs.
It will always be about balance. Lots of great QBs have lost the SB too.
Zombo
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@walterwhite said:
Oh really shit for brains?
Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Big Ben, Eli Manning, Aaron Rogers, Brett Favre, Steve Young, and Troy Aikman all say go fuck yourself.
For the record.....go Fuck yourself Walter.....I look just like the guy, I hear it 3 times a week.....I am the Danger.
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@mike-h said:
you're really sensitive. I have no stance, just discussing other points of view, something you're incapable of doing because you're a mouthbreathing fossil. GFY
and I was an Intelligence specialist, and have a masters in journalism, thanks.
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hey Walter, heres hoping that when you get to be an O.F. like some of us, we'll all be looking back at some Superbowl wins.....
A Browns team that was complete with a stud Oline, and a tenacious pass rushing defense....
because we all know, the game is won right there.
thank you lordy lordy lord.
can we get the stats on team's with the best defense in super bowl victories vs. the team with the best offense?
walterwhite is probably too young to remember bill parcells but he had a great quote that still rings true today:
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
don't ever forget it.
thank you lordy lordy lord.
can we get the stats on team's with the best defense in super bowl victories vs. the team with the best offense?
walterwhite is probably too young to remember bill parcells but he had a great quote that still rings true today:
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
don't ever forget it.
Good call my friend.
This Walter White homo will start a thread asking for you to be banned by morning.
Z
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@mike-h said:
you're really sensitive. I have no stance, just discussing other points of view, something you're incapable of doing because you're a mouthbreathing fossil. GFY
and I was an Intelligence specialist, and have a masters in journalism, thanks.
you're a lying sack of shit. YOU HAVE NO STANCE? in every post you make you sure make us all know what your stance is. if you don't get your QB doll in may you'll go hide under your bed and cry.
don't sleep on this mouth-breathing fossil.
intelligence specialist. yeah i met a couple of those queers when at ft devens was the main compound for the army intelligence HQ. let me guess you got your master's over the internet?
fuck you hoag. hoag smokes the hog.
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@walterwhite said:
Oh really shit for brains?
Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Big Ben, Eli Manning, Aaron Rogers, Brett Favre, Steve Young, and Troy Aikman all say go fuck yourself.
uh hem......
anything to say for yourself now douchebag?
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While is was not a staple of Paul Browns offense Otto Graham too,had the ability to run long before Russell Wilson was a wet dream..Graham was a RB converted to QB by Paul Brown.
While is was not a staple of Paul Browns offense Otto Graham too,had the ability to run long before Russell Wilson was a wet dream..Graham was a RB converted to QB by Paul Brown.
Otto Graham had 44 rushing TDs with his career with the Browns. Which, by the way is currently the most all time. Steve Young had 43.
("NFL" records will show Young with most....but with AAFC Otto has more)
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While is was not a staple of Paul Browns offense Otto Graham too,had the ability to run long before Russell Wilson was a wet dream..Graham was a RB converted to QB by Paul Brown.
Otto Graham had 44 rushing TDs with his career with the Browns. Which, by the way is currently the most all time. Steve Young had 43.
("NFL" records will show Young with most....but with AAFC Otto has more)
Otto Graham had 44 rushing TDs with his career with the Browns. Which, by the way is currently the most all time. Steve Young had 43.
("NFL" records will show Young with most....but with AAFC Otto has more)
I knew he had run for some,but was not aware it would be that much...Impressive when you think there were hardly any rules on defense back then...
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@walterwhite said:
Oh really shit for brains?
Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Big Ben, Eli Manning, Aaron Rogers, Brett Favre, Steve Young, and Troy Aikman all say go fuck yourself.
uh hem......
anything to say for yourself now douchebag?
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I'll be 63 years old this summer. I've been a Brown's fan since 6th grade. Jim Brown was at the height of his career when I started watching the Browns! I don't care who the Browns draft at QB, how big he is, how much he weighs, how tall/or short he is or whether he has a cannon for an arm......... I want a guy that KNOWS HOW TO WIN!!! I love ya, Bernie Kosar, but Brian Sipe is my favorite Brown's QB of all time. The guy just NEVER gave up. Gotta love that. Made the entire team think they always had a chance to win. Played his heart out until the final second. The term "Kardiac Kids" was coined because of Brian Sipe. Get me some players like that. And, IMHO, WalterWhite,
you can kiss my a**!
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I beat you to 63 last Dec, 4Evr. I had actually been to a Browns game before I was born. Dad and I
watched the Browns play....and the University of Akron Rubber Bowl back in the day. My favorite player
then was Leroy Kelly. But Kosar never gave up, either, and gimped the Browns to an overtime win vs
the Jets, I think it was, on an injured ankle.
I want another brilliant qb who was that kind of leader like Kosar and Sipe, with solid talent all around him,
and though we have Haden, we need another tandem like Hanford and Minnefield, (well, even though Minnefield
drove me crazy with penalties)... add a cb to the mix.
And I don't care where they get the talent - just make every draft pick count. Pick players who love the game,
are hungry, are team players and have enough character to stay out of trouble. I'm still cringing at what Scumbardi
could do if he has much input with the Browns draft this spring.
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I beat you to 63 last Dec, 4Evr. I had actually been to a Browns game before I was born. Dad and I
watched the Browns play....and the University of Akron Rubber Bowl back in the day. My favorite player
then was Leroy Kelly. But Kosar never gave up, either, and gimped the Browns to an overtime win vs
the Jets, I think it was, on an injured ankle.
I want another brilliant qb who was that kind of leader like Kosar and Sipe, with solid talent all around him,
and though we have Haden, we need another tandem like Hanford and Minnefield, (well, even though Minnefield
drove me crazy with penalties)... add a cb to the mix.
And I don't care where they get the talent - just make every draft pick count. Pick players who love the game,
are hungry, are team players and have enough character to stay out of trouble. I'm still cringing at what Scumbardi
could do if he has much input with the Browns draft this spring.
I beat you to 63 last Dec, 4Evr. I had actually been to a Browns game before I was born. Dad and I
watched the Browns play....and the University of Akron Rubber Bowl back in the day. My favorite player
then was Leroy Kelly. But Kosar never gave up, either, and gimped the Browns to an overtime win vs
the Jets, I think it was, on an injured ankle.
I want another brilliant qb who was that kind of leader like Kosar and Sipe, with solid talent all around him,
and though we have Haden, we need another tandem like Hanford and Minnefield, (well, even though Minnefield
drove me crazy with penalties)... add a cb to the mix.
And I don't care where they get the talent - just make every draft pick count. Pick players who love the game,
are hungry, are team players and have enough character to stay out of trouble. I'm still cringing at what Scumbardi
could do if he has much input with the Browns draft this spring.
Great post!
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