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Ravens5220 said:
My parents don't like Robert Irsay, but they moved on from that and embraced their football team. We don't sit here in Baltimore and dwell on Robert Irsay or the Colts....everyone in CLE hates Baltimore purely on Art Modell...you waited 3 years to get a football team back. We waited 12 years and weren't promised anything. Got passed over by Jax, Ari, etc. for expansion by the dumbass commish Tagliabue.
Bottom line is, what is important in a franchise (history, heritage, records, colors) was never taken from Cleveland....what about Baltimore?
Trust me, idjit. People in Baltimore DO hate Irsay as much as we hate Modell.
And what about Baltimore? The NFL was hohum about whether Baltimore had a team.......that is obvious as it WAS passed over for those other cities....while the NFL intervened and fought tooth and nail for the team in Cleveland.
Trust me, idjit. People in Baltimore DO hate Irsay as much as we hate Modell.
And what about Baltimore? The NFL was hohum about whether Baltimore had a team.......that is obvious as it WAS passed over for those other cities....while the NFL intervened and fought tooth and nail for the team in Cleveland.
Fought tooth and nail because they felt bad for a sad city. Also, the majority of people in Baltimore have moved on from the Irsay thing. We have a team now that we enjoy so we no longer have to dwell on it.
Its not like the Browns don't exist anymore. Get over it...ALL people (a few exceptions) hate Modell...period. He should be a Hall of Famer. End of discussion.
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Trust me, idjit. People in Baltimore DO hate Irsay as much as we hate Modell.
And what about Baltimore? The NFL was hohum about whether Baltimore had a team.......that is obvious as it WAS passed over for those other cities....while the NFL intervened and fought tooth and nail for the team in Cleveland.
Fought tooth and nail because they felt bad for a sad city. Also, the majority of people in Baltimore have moved on from the Irsay thing. We have a team now that we enjoy so we no longer have to dwell on it.
Its not like the Browns don't exist anymore. Get over it...ALL people (a few exceptions) hate Modell...period. He should be a Hall of Famer. End of discussion.
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Trust me, idjit. People in Baltimore DO hate Irsay as much as we hate Modell.
And what about Baltimore? The NFL was hohum about whether Baltimore had a team.......that is obvious as it WAS passed over for those other cities....while the NFL intervened and fought tooth and nail for the team in Cleveland.
Fought tooth and nail because they felt bad for a sad city. Also, the majority of people in Baltimore have moved on from the Irsay thing. We have a team now that we enjoy so we no longer have to dwell on it.
Its not like the Browns don't exist anymore. Get over it...ALL people (a few exceptions) hate Modell...period. He should be a Hall of Famer. End of discussion.
Ravens5220 said:
Fought tooth and nail because they felt bad for a sad city. Also, the majority of people in Baltimore have moved on from the Irsay thing. We have a team now that we enjoy so we no longer have to dwell on it.
Its not like the Browns don't exist anymore. Get over it...ALL people (a few exceptions) hate Modell...period. He should be a Hall of Famer. End of discussion.
Modell will never be in the Hall of Fame. End of discussion.
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Ravens5220 said:
I am very proud to be a Ravens fan...we have an amazing fan base and our franchise is one of 5 model franchises that has 2nd best home field winning percentage...multiple super bowls in the last two decades and and an organization that has shelled out the most front office staff and assistant coaches in the league. I know my facts trust me. (I hope you know your current HC and now assistants are all Ravens guys)(they got all those guys from Buffalo...some of those guys probably had jobs with half a dozen other teams, not just the Ravens.
Those facts may all be true. Thanks to Ozzie Newsome and Steve Biscotti.
This is where you are wrong....it is ALL thanks to Art Modell. You don't understand the history...football in Baltimore is a miracle and a miracle made by Art. Baltimore is the perfect football city and when he moved it here it brought all this new history and love.
I will wager you $1000.00 that I know my football history better than you.
And you sound like a drug addled fairy worshiper. Nothing will stand in the way of your delusions.
The other side is simple....the NFL ordered all of that is perfect. It leads me right into the fact that where was the NFL when Robert Irsay just snuck out of town to a lowly Indy city that has no interest in colts and history of Baltimore or football in general. Also, where was the NFL to order all the history of BALTIMORE football to be kept behind in Baltimore? Huh? Pretty sure the Baltimore Colts history since their existence is much more sacred then the Cleveland Browns...Baltimore was one of the winningest franchises in all of football (but how come no one cared about their drunk owner moving the team?)
You again and again, and over and over prove your ignorance.
You obviously are double dumbass wrong about the Colts being more important than the Browns.
And you are double dumbass wrong about the Colts being one of the winningest franchises. In fact from the early 70s to when they moved they were one of the losingest franchise. They were worse than the Browns are now.
You really have no clue about NFL history.
And apparently you have no interest in learning about it because you want to contradict FACTs
Ravens5220 said:
Ravens5220 said:
I am very proud to be a Ravens fan...we have an amazing fan base and our franchise is one of 5 model franchises that has 2nd best home field winning percentage...multiple super bowls in the last two decades and and an organization that has shelled out the most front office staff and assistant coaches in the league. I know my facts trust me. (I hope you know your current HC and now assistants are all Ravens guys)(they got all those guys from Buffalo...some of those guys probably had jobs with half a dozen other teams, not just the Ravens.
Those facts may all be true. Thanks to Ozzie Newsome and Steve Biscotti.
This is where you are wrong....it is ALL thanks to Art Modell. You don't understand the history...football in Baltimore is a miracle and a miracle made by Art. Baltimore is the perfect football city and when he moved it here it brought all this new history and love.
I will wager you $1000.00 that I know my football history better than you.
And you sound like a drug addled fairy worshiper. Nothing will stand in the way of your delusions.
I am so happy you know more football history than me. I am glad. You are probably twice my age. The one thing we both do know though is that the Browns stink...they've always stunk (as long as I've been alive) and outside of CLE or maybe inside of CLE as well they are losers and a laughing joke.
The other side is simple....the NFL ordered all of that is perfect. It leads me right into the fact that where was the NFL when Robert Irsay just snuck out of town to a lowly Indy city that has no interest in colts and history of Baltimore or football in general. Also, where was the NFL to order all the history of BALTIMORE football to be kept behind in Baltimore? Huh? Pretty sure the Baltimore Colts history since their existence is much more sacred then the Cleveland Browns...Baltimore was one of the winningest franchises in all of football (but how come no one cared about their drunk owner moving the team?)
You again and again, and over and over prove your ignorance.
You obviously are double dumbass wrong about the Colts being more important than the Browns.
And you are double dumbass wrong about the Colts being one of the winningest franchises. In fact from the early 70s to when they moved they were one of the losingest franchise. They were worse than the Browns are now.
You really have no clue about NFL history.
And apparently you have no interest in learning about it because you want to contradict FACTs
The 70's were Fucked up because when Irsay took over in 72 she fought with everyone employed with the team and milked it, but you wouldn't know anything about it. Look its fine that you're biased but I mean the Browns have always been losers. You're a top 10 loser city in sports and thats not just football, but mostly.
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Ravens5220 said:
Ravens5220 said:
I am very proud to be a Ravens fan...we have an amazing fan base and our franchise is one of 5 model franchises that has 2nd best home field winning percentage...multiple super bowls in the last two decades and and an organization that has shelled out the most front office staff and assistant coaches in the league. I know my facts trust me. (I hope you know your current HC and now assistants are all Ravens guys)(they got all those guys from Buffalo...some of those guys probably had jobs with half a dozen other teams, not just the Ravens.
Those facts may all be true. Thanks to Ozzie Newsome and Steve Biscotti.
This is where you are wrong....it is ALL thanks to Art Modell. You don't understand the history...football in Baltimore is a miracle and a miracle made by Art. Baltimore is the perfect football city and when he moved it here it brought all this new history and love.
I will wager you $1000.00 that I know my football history better than you.
And you sound like a drug addled fairy worshiper. Nothing will stand in the way of your delusions.
I am so happy you know more football history than me. I am glad. You are probably twice my age. The one thing we both do know though is that the Browns stink...they've always stunk (as long as I've been alive) and outside of CLE or maybe inside of CLE as well they are losers and a laughing joke.
The other side is simple....the NFL ordered all of that is perfect. It leads me right into the fact that where was the NFL when Robert Irsay just snuck out of town to a lowly Indy city that has no interest in colts and history of Baltimore or football in general. Also, where was the NFL to order all the history of BALTIMORE football to be kept behind in Baltimore? Huh? Pretty sure the Baltimore Colts history since their existence is much more sacred then the Cleveland Browns...Baltimore was one of the winningest franchises in all of football (but how come no one cared about their drunk owner moving the team?)
You again and again, and over and over prove your ignorance.
You obviously are double dumbass wrong about the Colts being more important than the Browns.
And you are double dumbass wrong about the Colts being one of the winningest franchises. In fact from the early 70s to when they moved they were one of the losingest franchise. They were worse than the Browns are now.
You really have no clue about NFL history.
And apparently you have no interest in learning about it because you want to contradict FACTs
The 70's were Fucked up because when Irsay took over in 72 she fought with everyone employed with the team and milked it, but you wouldn't know anything about it. Look its fine that you're biased but I mean the Browns have always been losers. You're a top 10 loser city in sports and thats not just football, but mostly.
Ravens5220 said:
Ravens5220 said:
Ravens5220 said:
I am very proud to be a Ravens fan...we have an amazing fan base and our franchise is one of 5 model franchises that has 2nd best home field winning percentage...multiple super bowls in the last two decades and and an organization that has shelled out the most front office staff and assistant coaches in the league. I know my facts trust me. (I hope you know your current HC and now assistants are all Ravens guys)(they got all those guys from Buffalo...some of those guys probably had jobs with half a dozen other teams, not just the Ravens.
Those facts may all be true. Thanks to Ozzie Newsome and Steve Biscotti.
This is where you are wrong....it is ALL thanks to Art Modell. You don't understand the history...football in Baltimore is a miracle and a miracle made by Art. Baltimore is the perfect football city and when he moved it here it brought all this new history and love.
I will wager you $1000.00 that I know my football history better than you.
And you sound like a drug addled fairy worshiper. Nothing will stand in the way of your delusions.
I am so happy you know more football history than me. I am glad. You are probably twice my age. The one thing we both do know though is that the Browns stink...they've always stunk (as long as I've been alive) and outside of CLE or maybe inside of CLE as well they are losers and a laughing joke.
The other side is simple....the NFL ordered all of that is perfect. It leads me right into the fact that where was the NFL when Robert Irsay just snuck out of town to a lowly Indy city that has no interest in colts and history of Baltimore or football in general. Also, where was the NFL to order all the history of BALTIMORE football to be kept behind in Baltimore? Huh? Pretty sure the Baltimore Colts history since their existence is much more sacred then the Cleveland Browns...Baltimore was one of the winningest franchises in all of football (but how come no one cared about their drunk owner moving the team?)
You again and again, and over and over prove your ignorance.
You obviously are double dumbass wrong about the Colts being more important than the Browns.
And you are double dumbass wrong about the Colts being one of the winningest franchises. In fact from the early 70s to when they moved they were one of the losingest franchise. They were worse than the Browns are now.
You really have no clue about NFL history.
And apparently you have no interest in learning about it because you want to contradict FACTs
The 70's were Fucked up because when Irsay took over in 72 she fought with everyone employed with the team and milked it, but you wouldn't know anything about it. Look its fine that you're biased but I mean the Browns have always been losers. You're a top 10 loser city in sports and thats not just football, but mostly.
Stupid ass kid.
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Trust me, idjit. People in Baltimore DO hate Irsay as much as we hate Modell.
And what about Baltimore? The NFL was hohum about whether Baltimore had a team.......that is obvious as it WAS passed over for those other cities....while the NFL intervened and fought tooth and nail for the team in Cleveland.
Fought tooth and nail because they felt bad for a sad city. Also, the majority of people in Baltimore have moved on from the Irsay thing. We have a team now that we enjoy so we no longer have to dwell on it.
Its not like the Browns don't exist anymore. Get over it...ALL people (a few exceptions) hate Modell...period. He should be a Hall of Famer. End of discussion.
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Ravens5220 said:
No one stole anything...Baltimore didn't try and lure CLE here behind their backs. Modell approach Baltimore and Baltimore lent their hand to a failing owner who needed cash.
Now you are laughable. Do you wear clown makeup around the house?
After Baltimore lost the bid for an expansion franchise they went trolling for another team. They just happened to find one with an inept owner that was greedy for cash.
Modell WAS a failed owner who didn't know how to run an NFL team. Clearly that is the case because he was kicked out of the league. And he wanted cash....and probably needed it because he was so piss poor at running things he was losing money.
But the "approach" was made by Schaefer and the MD governor. (can't recall the name)
Now you are laughable. Do you wear clown makeup around the house?
After Baltimore lost the bid for an expansion franchise they went trolling for another team. They just happened to find one with an inept owner that was greedy for cash.
Modell WAS a failed owner who didn't know how to run an NFL team. Clearly that is the case because he was kicked out of the league. And he wanted cash....and probably needed it because he was so piss poor at running things he was losing money.
But the "approach" was made by Schaefer and the MD governor. (can't recall the name)
Yeah, once they knew Modell was interested they approached him...of course. First off, you have the CLE side of the story so of course we will never agree....
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This is such a dumb thing to argue....you have like 60 years of prior experience to use against the argument. Had the Colts be around in the 20's maybe things would be different. LOL @ you. This is hilarious.
How about you take Cleveland vs. Baltimore in titles since Baltimore Colts came into existence...then add it up...Cleveland would look like the factory of sadness that they are.
Theres a reason why people say Cleveland is the saddest and worst sports town...because their professional teams usually suck. Its not me saying it, its fact and said by many....
Here is again where you show your ignorance and lack of knowledge of sports history.
The Cleveland Browns and the Baltimore Colts have been around essentially the very same amount of time:
The original Baltimore Colts were in the AAFC with the Browns. Look it up.
Well, the Browns won 4 championships in that same league where the Colts won none.
Then the Colts came into the NFL with the Browns and 49ers, but that franchise went under....but reappeared about 3 years later.
So, in reality the Browns and Colts have the same length of existance.
Did Cleveland have other teams here that won titles prior to the mid-40s. Yes.
But the length of time involved there was more like 20-25 years, not 60.
So, yea Cleveland has a few years head start....and more than double the titles.
Here is again where you show your ignorance and lack of knowledge of sports history.
The Cleveland Browns and the Baltimore Colts have been around essentially the very same amount of time:
The original Baltimore Colts were in the AAFC with the Browns. Look it up.
Well, the Browns won 4 championships in that same league where the Colts won none.
Then the Colts came into the NFL with the Browns and 49ers, but that franchise went under....but reappeared about 3 years later.
So, in reality the Browns and Colts have the same length of existance.
Did Cleveland have other teams here that won titles prior to the mid-40s. Yes.
But the length of time involved there was more like 20-25 years, not 60.
So, yea Cleveland has a few years head start....and more than double the titles.
Ok, your history lessons are nice and maybe it makes you feel good about yourself....but like you said the past is history and it doesn't matter anymore, so lets look at the present. The Ravens franchise is light years ahead of the Browns and 10x better in every way. period. no debate.
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Trust me, idjit. People in Baltimore DO hate Irsay as much as we hate Modell.
And what about Baltimore? The NFL was hohum about whether Baltimore had a team.......that is obvious as it WAS passed over for those other cities....while the NFL intervened and fought tooth and nail for the team in Cleveland.
Fought tooth and nail because they felt bad for a sad city. Also, the majority of people in Baltimore have moved on from the Irsay thing. We have a team now that we enjoy so we no longer have to dwell on it.
Its not like the Browns don't exist anymore. Get over it...ALL people (a few exceptions) hate Modell...period. He should be a Hall of Famer. End of discussion.
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Fought tooth and nail because they felt bad for a sad city. Also, the majority of people in Baltimore have moved on from the Irsay thing. We have a team now that we enjoy so we no longer have to dwell on it.
Good for you. Why then did you bring it up?
Its not like the Browns don't exist anymore. Get over it...ALL people (a few exceptions) hate Modell...period. He should be a Hall of Famer. End of discussion.
No, the END of the discussion is that Modell will NEVER be in the HOF. Not now, not ever. Why? Allow me to let Heath Ledger and crew advise why:
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Ravens5220 said:
Well your source on that is incorrect....completely incorrect. Tagliabue hates Baltimore and voiced that, so it had nothing to do with Modells influence. He told us to go build another museum.
No, you are wrong. It is well documented that Modell voted against giving an expansion franchise to Baltimore. Of course this happened several years before he decided he would be a whore.
Modell felt that Baltimore didn't deserve another team. Of course his attitude changed when they held 75 million fresh greenbacks in his nose.
Well maybe that upsets you, but remember what BALTIMORE did as a franchise once they moved had nothing to do with CLE...go look at how many people on the super bowl roster were from cleveland...Stover and Burnett....?
The Baltimore franchise never moved. Or are you talking about the Colts? The Cleveland Franchise never moved either.
So, I agree what Baltimore did as a franchise after Modell was granted the Expansion Ravens franchise had nothing to do with Cleveland.
Ravens5220 said:
Well your source on that is incorrect....completely incorrect. Tagliabue hates Baltimore and voiced that, so it had nothing to do with Modells influence. He told us to go build another museum.
No, you are wrong. It is well documented that Modell voted against giving an expansion franchise to Baltimore. Of course this happened several years before he decided he would be a whore.
Modell felt that Baltimore didn't deserve another team. Of course his attitude changed when they held 75 million fresh greenbacks in his nose.
Well maybe that upsets you, but remember what BALTIMORE did as a franchise once they moved had nothing to do with CLE...go look at how many people on the super bowl roster were from cleveland...Stover and Burnett....?
The Baltimore franchise never moved. Or are you talking about the Colts? The Cleveland Franchise never moved either.
So, I agree what Baltimore did as a franchise after Modell was granted the Expansion Ravens franchise had nothing to do with Cleveland.
Finally we agree on something LOL...so many Browns fans say "oh those super bowls should be ours" and blah blah blah. The Ravens have zero to do with the Browns...the franchises are totally different and completely remodeled.
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Here is again where you show your ignorance and lack of knowledge of sports history.
The Cleveland Browns and the Baltimore Colts have been around essentially the very same amount of time:
The original Baltimore Colts were in the AAFC with the Browns. Look it up.
Well, the Browns won 4 championships in that same league where the Colts won none.
Then the Colts came into the NFL with the Browns and 49ers, but that franchise went under....but reappeared about 3 years later.
So, in reality the Browns and Colts have the same length of existance.
Did Cleveland have other teams here that won titles prior to the mid-40s. Yes.
But the length of time involved there was more like 20-25 years, not 60.
So, yea Cleveland has a few years head start....and more than double the titles.
Ok, your history lessons are nice and maybe it makes you feel good about yourself....but like you said the past is history and it doesn't matter anymore, so lets look at the present. The Ravens franchise is light years ahead of the Browns and 10x better in every way. period. no debate.
I would certainly hope so. They were made from a real nfl team. The 99 Browns were never considered a true expansion team and therefore received the shaft when acquiring personel. So to say a Browns team with a solid foundation had absolutly no bearing on a ravens superbowl in 2000 is very ignorant. U honestly think they win the first one as a true expansion team.Ravens5220 said:
Ok, your history lessons are nice and maybe it makes you feel good about yourself....but like you said the past is history and it doesn't matter anymore, so lets look at the present. The Ravens franchise is light years ahead of the Browns and 10x better in every way. period. no debate.
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Just like the league said it was a black eye when they lost the Colts...but it took 12 years to get a team back in Baltimore...psh think before you write.
Also, your curse has nothing to do with Baltimore....forget about Modell...were talking Baltimore. Theres no guarantees that you would have won jack had Modell stayed in Cleveland.
Just like that idiot Tony Grossi who stands up each year trying to keep Modell out of the Hall of Fame....loser.
I agree. There is absolutely no reason to think that any "curse" the Browns have has anything to do with Modell or Baltimore. It is just bad management that we have had here.
As far as Modell and the HOF....Grossi is right. Modell was kicked out of the NFL. Why should he be enshrined. And FYI, that ship has passed and Modell will likely never be given consideration again.
So, truly, his memory can be wiped out.
I agree. There is absolutely no reason to think that any "curse" the Browns have has anything to do with Modell or Baltimore. It is just bad management that we have had here.
As far as Modell and the HOF....Grossi is right. Modell was kicked out of the NFL. Why should he be enshrined. And FYI, that ship has passed and Modell will likely never be given consideration again.
So, truly, his memory can be wiped out.
Grossi is wrong...While Modell has some black eyes, he has done wonders for this league. Too many too talk about and honestly what he has done for Baltimore is in itself a hall of fame move. You only would understand what it means if you lived here. period.
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Here is again where you show your ignorance and lack of knowledge of sports history.
The Cleveland Browns and the Baltimore Colts have been around essentially the very same amount of time:
The original Baltimore Colts were in the AAFC with the Browns. Look it up.
Well, the Browns won 4 championships in that same league where the Colts won none.
Then the Colts came into the NFL with the Browns and 49ers, but that franchise went under....but reappeared about 3 years later.
So, in reality the Browns and Colts have the same length of existance.
Did Cleveland have other teams here that won titles prior to the mid-40s. Yes.
But the length of time involved there was more like 20-25 years, not 60.
So, yea Cleveland has a few years head start....and more than double the titles.
Ok, your history lessons are nice and maybe it makes you feel good about yourself....but like you said the past is history and it doesn't matter anymore, so lets look at the present. The Ravens franchise is light years ahead of the Browns and 10x better in every way. period. no debate.
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Ok, your history lessons are nice and maybe it makes you feel good about yourself....but like you said the past is history and it doesn't matter anymore, so lets look at the present. The Ravens franchise is light years ahead of the Browns and 10x better in every way. period. no debate.
Really? They split the 2 games and neither made the playoffs, and except for a real QB and maybe the RB I believe the talent pool for each team comes down on the side of the Browns
That light year is really maybe the distance to the end of your front porch.
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Now you are laughable. Do you wear clown makeup around the house?
After Baltimore lost the bid for an expansion franchise they went trolling for another team. They just happened to find one with an inept owner that was greedy for cash.
Modell WAS a failed owner who didn't know how to run an NFL team. Clearly that is the case because he was kicked out of the league. And he wanted cash....and probably needed it because he was so piss poor at running things he was losing money.
But the "approach" was made by Schaefer and the MD governor. (can't recall the name)
Yeah, once they knew Modell was interested they approached him...of course. First off, you have the CLE side of the story so of course we will never agree....
Ravens5220 said:
Yeah, once they knew Modell was interested they approached him...of course. First off, you have the CLE side of the story so of course we will never agree....
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Ravens5220 said:
Well your source on that is incorrect....completely incorrect. Tagliabue hates Baltimore and voiced that, so it had nothing to do with Modells influence. He told us to go build another museum.
No, you are wrong. It is well documented that Modell voted against giving an expansion franchise to Baltimore. Of course this happened several years before he decided he would be a whore.
Modell felt that Baltimore didn't deserve another team. Of course his attitude changed when they held 75 million fresh greenbacks in his nose.
Well maybe that upsets you, but remember what BALTIMORE did as a franchise once they moved had nothing to do with CLE...go look at how many people on the super bowl roster were from cleveland...Stover and Burnett....?
The Baltimore franchise never moved. Or are you talking about the Colts? The Cleveland Franchise never moved either.
So, I agree what Baltimore did as a franchise after Modell was granted the Expansion Ravens franchise had nothing to do with Cleveland.
Finally we agree on something LOL...so many Browns fans say "oh those super bowls should be ours" and blah blah blah. The Ravens have zero to do with the Browns...the franchises are totally different and completely remodeled.
Yes, we do agree on that.
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At least you stuck to a fact and didn't call him a murderer. Also, pretty sure Modell isn't rotting in Hell...I can already see that the Modell topic will be too sensitive for you guys to handle.
Isn't that old news by now?
What do you think about Robert Irsay? Just interested.
What do you think about Robert Irsay? Just interested.
He's a drunk who spent most days on the job wasted (as his son alluded to many times). Hes a poor business man who drove a franchise into the ground and belittled media members and then snuck a team out of town. His son revived the franchise in Indy. As for him though, don't really care. Hes just a moron, but no real hate for him...he did what he thought was best for his business (that turned out to be the wrong move)
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I agree. There is absolutely no reason to think that any "curse" the Browns have has anything to do with Modell or Baltimore. It is just bad management that we have had here.
As far as Modell and the HOF....Grossi is right. Modell was kicked out of the NFL. Why should he be enshrined. And FYI, that ship has passed and Modell will likely never be given consideration again.
So, truly, his memory can be wiped out.
Grossi is wrong...While Modell has some black eyes, he has done wonders for this league. Too many too talk about and honestly what he has done for Baltimore is in itself a hall of fame move. You only would understand what it means if you lived here. period.
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Grossi is wrong...While Modell has some black eyes, he has done wonders for this league. Too many too talk about and honestly what he has done for Baltimore is in itself a hall of fame move. You only would understand what it means if you lived here. period.
No, there is not too many to talk about. In fact, there are too few. Name one or two.
FYI, he didn't "move" to bring football back to Baltimore. Just a couple of years earlier he said Baltimore didn't deserve a team.
He moved for one reason, pure and simple: $$$$$$.
If you don't understand that, then you are stupid.
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What do you think about Robert Irsay? Just interested.
He's a drunk who spent most days on the job wasted (as his son alluded to many times). Hes a poor business man who drove a franchise into the ground and belittled media members and then snuck a team out of town. His son revived the franchise in Indy. As for him though, don't really care. Hes just a moron, but no real hate for him...he did what he thought was best for his business (that turned out to be the wrong move)
Ravens5220 said:
He's a drunk who spent most days on the job wasted (as his son alluded to many times). Hes a poor business man who drove a franchise into the ground and belittled media members and then snuck a team out of town. His son revived the franchise in Indy. As for him though, don't really care. Hes just a moron, but no real hate for him...he did what he thought was best for his business (that turned out to be the wrong move)
Or, maybe the right move....in his opinion.
He moved to Indy for the same reason Modell tried to move to Baltiwhore: Money.
If you don't understand that, you are ignorant.
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I agree. There is absolutely no reason to think that any "curse" the Browns have has anything to do with Modell or Baltimore. It is just bad management that we have had here.
As far as Modell and the HOF....Grossi is right. Modell was kicked out of the NFL. Why should he be enshrined. And FYI, that ship has passed and Modell will likely never be given consideration again.
So, truly, his memory can be wiped out.
Grossi is wrong...While Modell has some black eyes, he has done wonders for this league. Too many too talk about and honestly what he has done for Baltimore is in itself a hall of fame move. You only would understand what it means if you lived here. period.
Ravens5220 said:
....what he has done for Baltimore is in itself a hall of fame move.
But like stated before he wasn't voted in by the committee. Cause they are real good at keepin the people that deserve to be in out! Guess he's just getting Screwed! Such a pity. Least everyone in Baltimore got to jack him off on the 50 yrd line before they violated mother earth with his corpse.
Seriously zombie apocalypse happens I'll risk everything to put a bullet in his brain before any other zombie.
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To be fair there's differences
1) Cleveland approved renovations to the stadium, Modell still moved
2) Baltimore did not approve their new stadium
3) Cleveland was an expansion team, the ravens were not
Obvious differences, but I'm sure Baltimore is over the colts given that the ravens have won super bowls and been pretty successful year after year.
To be fair there's differences
1) Cleveland approved renovations to the stadium, Modell still moved
2) Baltimore did not approve their new stadium
3) Cleveland was an expansion team, the ravens were not
Obvious differences, but I'm sure Baltimore is over the colts given that the ravens have won super bowls and been pretty successful year after year.
So is that what this is about....winning? So if the Browns could ever win and sustain it would everyone let the Modell thing go? I mean thats not why BALTIMORE has let Irsay thing go. We've always seen it different in my mind.
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