I would eat an Entire bag of dicks if it got you to like me
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I agree. There is absolutely no reason to think that any "curse" the Browns have has anything to do with Modell or Baltimore. It is just bad management that we have had here.
As far as Modell and the HOF....Grossi is right. Modell was kicked out of the NFL. Why should he be enshrined. And FYI, that ship has passed and Modell will likely never be given consideration again.
So, truly, his memory can be wiped out.
Grossi is wrong...While Modell has some black eyes, he has done wonders for this league. Too many too talk about and honestly what he has done for Baltimore is in itself a hall of fame move. You only would understand what it means if you lived here. period.
Ravens5220 said:
Grossi is wrong...While Modell has some black eyes, he has done wonders for this league. Too many too talk about and honestly what he has done for Baltimore is in itself a hall of fame move. You only would understand what it means if you lived here. period.
No, there is not too many to talk about. In fact, there are too few. Name one or two.
FYI, he didn't "move" to bring football back to Baltimore. Just a couple of years earlier he said Baltimore didn't deserve a team.
He moved for one reason, pure and simple: $$$$$$.
If you don't understand that, then you are stupid.
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What do you think about Robert Irsay? Just interested.
He's a drunk who spent most days on the job wasted (as his son alluded to many times). Hes a poor business man who drove a franchise into the ground and belittled media members and then snuck a team out of town. His son revived the franchise in Indy. As for him though, don't really care. Hes just a moron, but no real hate for him...he did what he thought was best for his business (that turned out to be the wrong move)
Ravens5220 said:
He's a drunk who spent most days on the job wasted (as his son alluded to many times). Hes a poor business man who drove a franchise into the ground and belittled media members and then snuck a team out of town. His son revived the franchise in Indy. As for him though, don't really care. Hes just a moron, but no real hate for him...he did what he thought was best for his business (that turned out to be the wrong move)
Or, maybe the right move....in his opinion.
He moved to Indy for the same reason Modell tried to move to Baltiwhore: Money.
If you don't understand that, you are ignorant.
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I agree. There is absolutely no reason to think that any "curse" the Browns have has anything to do with Modell or Baltimore. It is just bad management that we have had here.
As far as Modell and the HOF....Grossi is right. Modell was kicked out of the NFL. Why should he be enshrined. And FYI, that ship has passed and Modell will likely never be given consideration again.
So, truly, his memory can be wiped out.
Grossi is wrong...While Modell has some black eyes, he has done wonders for this league. Too many too talk about and honestly what he has done for Baltimore is in itself a hall of fame move. You only would understand what it means if you lived here. period.
Ravens5220 said:
....what he has done for Baltimore is in itself a hall of fame move.
But like stated before he wasn't voted in by the committee. Cause they are real good at keepin the people that deserve to be in out! Guess he's just getting Screwed! Such a pity. Least everyone in Baltimore got to jack him off on the 50 yrd line before they violated mother earth with his corpse.
Seriously zombie apocalypse happens I'll risk everything to put a bullet in his brain before any other zombie.
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To be fair there's differences
1) Cleveland approved renovations to the stadium, Modell still moved
2) Baltimore did not approve their new stadium
3) Cleveland was an expansion team, the ravens were not
Obvious differences, but I'm sure Baltimore is over the colts given that the ravens have won super bowls and been pretty successful year after year.
To be fair there's differences
1) Cleveland approved renovations to the stadium, Modell still moved
2) Baltimore did not approve their new stadium
3) Cleveland was an expansion team, the ravens were not
Obvious differences, but I'm sure Baltimore is over the colts given that the ravens have won super bowls and been pretty successful year after year.
So is that what this is about....winning? So if the Browns could ever win and sustain it would everyone let the Modell thing go? I mean thats not why BALTIMORE has let Irsay thing go. We've always seen it different in my mind.
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Art will never get into the Hall of Fame. And it has nothing to do with Tony Grossi. Think before u write douchbag.Ravens5220 said:
Just like the league said it was a black eye when they lost the Colts...but it took 12 years to get a team back in Baltimore...psh think before you write.
Also, your curse has nothing to do with Baltimore....forget about Modell...were talking Baltimore. Theres no guarantees that you would have won jack had Modell stayed in Cleveland.
Just like that idiot Tony Grossi who stands up each year trying to keep Modell out of the Hall of Fame....loser.
Art will never get into the Hall of Fame. And it has nothing to do with Tony Grossi. Think before u write douchbag.
Tony Grossi stands up every year in the hall of fame room to make a speech about why Art Modell shouldn't be in the HOF... most people stand up to make a case not against someone.
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looks like Baltimore is just a Bitch MarketThe above reflects that 10 out of the current 32 teams moved at some point...or 31.25% of all teams.
I think MLB may even be worse. Here are the teams there that have moved (again, move means completely out of market):
Atlanta/Milwaukee/Boston Braves
Baltimore/St. Louis Orioles/Browns
LA/Brooklyn Dodgers
Milwaukee/Seattle Brewers/Pilots
Minnesota/Washington Twins/Senators
New York/Baltimore Yankees/Orioles
Oakland/KC/Phil. As
San Fran/NY Giants
Texas/Washington Rangers/Senators
Washinton/Montreal Nationals/Expos
That is 10 of the 30 teams or 33%.
looks like Baltimore is just a Bitch Market
LOL @ you....i'm sorry your sports teams suck and are irrelevant. Good luck with that,
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Ignore him. He's just some punk.
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To be fair there's differences
1) Cleveland approved renovations to the stadium, Modell still moved
2) Baltimore did not approve their new stadium
3) Cleveland was an expansion team, the ravens were not
Obvious differences, but I'm sure Baltimore is over the colts given that the ravens have won super bowls and been pretty successful year after year.
So is that what this is about....winning? So if the Browns could ever win and sustain it would everyone let the Modell thing go? I mean thats not why BALTIMORE has let Irsay thing go. We've always seen it different in my mind.
Ravens5220 said:
So is that what this is about....winning? So if the Browns could ever win and sustain it would everyone let the Modell thing go? I mean thats not why BALTIMORE has let Irsay thing go. We've always seen it different in my mind.
Then you are lying to yourself. If the Rats had not won that title in 2000 and the Colts had won the one in 2006, you all would have been all bitter beer faces over it.
But, again thanks to Ozzie and Biscotti you didn't have to feel that way. But trust me, you would have.
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Ravens5220 said:
So is that what this is about....winning? So if the Browns could ever win and sustain it would everyone let the Modell thing go? I mean thats not why BALTIMORE has let Irsay thing go. We've always seen it different in my mind.
Then you are lying to yourself. If the Rats had not won that title in 2000 and the Colts had won the one in 2006, you all would have been all bitter beer faces over it.
But, again thanks to Ozzie and Biscotti you didn't have to feel that way. But trust me, you would have.
he will never admit it.Then you are lying to yourself. If the Rats had not won that title in 2000 and the Colts had won the one in 2006, you all would have been all bitter beer faces over it.
But, again thanks to Ozzie and Biscotti you didn't have to feel that way. But trust me, you would have.
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Art will never get into the Hall of Fame. And it has nothing to do with Tony Grossi. Think before u write douchbag.
Tony Grossi stands up every year in the hall of fame room to make a speech about why Art Modell shouldn't be in the HOF... most people stand up to make a case not against someone.
Ravens5220 said:
Tony Grossi stands up every year in the hall of fame room to make a speech about why Art Modell shouldn't be in the HOF... most people stand up to make a case not against someone.
You no longer have to worry about Grossi doing that. Modell will not be considered in the future. He has been weighed, measured and found to be wanting.
(by the way....he is not the only one that stood up to advocate a no vote on Modell. Guys from Pitt and Buffalo did too)
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Ravens5220 said:
LOL @ you....i'm sorry your sports teams suck and are irrelevant. Good luck with that,
So are yours, so I see really no difference.
Of the two cities which was the last one to have a team in the playoffs of their sport? Cleveland.
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Zombo said:
If we all buy a house from you in Naples Z is this what you can guarantee us that we will enjoy every day?
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Ravens5220 said:
Tony Grossi stands up every year in the hall of fame room to make a speech about why Art Modell shouldn't be in the HOF... most people stand up to make a case not against someone.
You no longer have to worry about Grossi doing that. Modell will not be considered in the future. He has been weighed, measured and found to be wanting.
(by the way....he is not the only one that stood up to advocate a no vote on Modell. Guys from Pitt and Buffalo did too)
those guys didn't fit his argument. But Hey I'm sure he knows more about modell more than Cleveland fans. He was in Baltimore for what 15 yrs to what 50-60 in ClevelandYou no longer have to worry about Grossi doing that. Modell will not be considered in the future. He has been weighed, measured and found to be wanting.
(by the way....he is not the only one that stood up to advocate a no vote on Modell. Guys from Pitt and Buffalo did too)
"We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever. -
Ravens5220 said:
LOL @ you....i'm sorry your sports teams suck and are irrelevant. Good luck with that,
So are yours, so I see really no difference.
Of the two cities which was the last one to have a team in the playoffs of their sport? Cleveland.
hahaSo are yours, so I see really no difference.
Of the two cities which was the last one to have a team in the playoffs of their sport? Cleveland.
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those guys didn't fit his argument. But Hey I'm sure he knows more about modell more than Cleveland fans. He was in Baltimore for what 15 yrs to what 50-60 in ClevelandYou no longer have to worry about Grossi doing that. Modell will not be considered in the future. He has been weighed, measured and found to be wanting.
(by the way....he is not the only one that stood up to advocate a no vote on Modell. Guys from Pitt and Buffalo did too)
those guys didn't fit his argument. But Hey I'm sure he knows more about modell more than Cleveland fans. He was in Baltimore for what 15 yrs to what 50-60 in Cleveland
He was only the owner of the Ravens for about 3 actual years until he was aufed by the NFL, forced to sell his franchise.
Hell, by the time the Browns were reactived Modell was history. Biscotti took over de facto ownership in 1999 when he bought minority interest, but in fact took control of the team.
After that Modell was El Cid.
After his demise, but still during the siege of Valencia, legend holds that Jimena ordered that the corpse of El Cid be fitted with his armor and set atop his horse Babieca, to bolster the morale of his troops. In several variations of the story, the dead Rodrigo and his knights win a thundering charge against Valencia's besiegers, resulting in a war-is-lost-but-battle-is-won catharsis for generations of Christian Spaniards to follow
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What do you think about Robert Irsay? Just interested.
Perhaps I should read all the rest of the posts before posting! Ho Hum!
Anyways you are a troll if you think what Irsay did was worse than Modell. Get back under your bridge.
Perhaps I should read all the rest of the posts before posting! Ho Hum!
Anyways you are a troll if you think what Irsay did was worse than Modell. Get back under your bridge.
Lordy, I need to proof read my posts! Back to the beer me thinks!
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