Browns trying to lock up Joe Haden, talked yesterday - so it begins
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@mike-h said:
This is how I know you are a homer. Do some research and maybe re-watch the games. Haden had a down year, compared to the other elite CBs in the league at least.
Overall- 18th (8.4 positive score)
Penalties- T14th (7 total)
Targeted- 12th (No one seems afraid to throw at him)
% Caught- T33rd (55.6%)
Yards- 54th (556 yards)
Avg. Yards Per Catch- 10th (10.1)
YAC allowed- 46th fewest (169 yards)
Most Touchdowns allowed- T10th (6 TD allowed)
Pass Deflections- T9th (12)
INT- T6th (4)
Passer Rating- 27th (75.2)
Six games covering Green/Brown/Smith on an island .... Buster Skryne opposite of him ... Weak pass rush ... Thre franchise QBs in the division .... Does any of that factor in?
Z
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@mike-h said:
And for all you people who defend Skrine... LMAO.
9 TD and he was only targeted 18 MORE TIMES than Haden. The "Skrine is only being beaten because teams are targeting him due to Haden being on the other side" argument is pretty dead.
Skrine improved a lot this year. I have no problems with him, but he shouldn't be our #2 corner - which I don't think anyone disagrees with.
I still think we should have drafted the Honey Badger which would have put our secondary in a much better position, but Lombanner chose McFadden.
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skrine is not a #2 corner. that is something we have to address swiftly in the draft......someone with height and speed.
mike H, all of a sudden you are looking like the biggest hater on this forum. if people don't agree with you, you say they know nothing about football.
having a major in journalism doesn't make you a genius at anything, except how to write grammatically correct and either state facts or give your opinions.
sorta like everyone else on this board. you are seriously turning out to be a dick.
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no way he's the second best corner in the NFL but you have to put him in the top ten teetering on the top five.
yeah he's not the best, not even close, but we're lucky to have him on our team. i mean we could have skrine and mcfadden covering some of the top echelon guys and get scorched every play.
haden does really good given his size. if someone could please tell someone in the FO if haden had someone playing across from him with equal talent and heart (and more size) we'd be more than good enough to cover man to man against anyone.
dude, i get where you are coming from. i get pissed when people don't see things through my eyes..............it's just seems like you've been on a tirade lately.
hey maybe it's your turn?
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Stats are bs. What you have to consider, is the pitiful nature of
the Browns offense. The defense was on the field a lot.
Bashing Haden is dumb.
This partially. Haden's a great player, certainly one that we want to keep for the long term. He's definitely up there in terms of talent. Only a handful of guys I'd pick over him at the position: Sherman, Peterson, Revis.
I can't discount any of those other guys, but Haden also had pretty poor safety help in coverage compared to some of those other guys. Also our linebackers couldn't cover for squat. He went one on one against some much bigger, great receivers this year and handled his own quite well.
We still need a bigger #2 corner. Skrine is an excellent nickel corner IMO. He had a drastic improvement over last year, but the bears showed us what happens when you have multiple athletic big guys catching the ball against our secondary.
This partially. Haden's a great player, certainly one that we want to keep for the long term. He's definitely up there in terms of talent. Only a handful of guys I'd pick over him at the position: Sherman, Peterson, Revis.
I can't discount any of those other guys, but Haden also had pretty poor safety help in coverage compared to some of those other guys. Also our linebackers couldn't cover for squat. He went one on one against some much bigger, great receivers this year and handled his own quite well.
We still need a bigger #2 corner. Skrine is an excellent nickel corner IMO. He had a drastic improvement over last year, but the bears showed us what happens when you have multiple athletic big guys catching the ball against our secondary.
Ditto. Look at his stats against the best- they're not shabby- shut down Green (twice), OK Megatron- but Megatron on one leg is better than 1\2 the wideouts in the NFL.
Screw stats- Haden is Frank Minnifield good- it was no accident he was the second cb taken @ the Pro Bowl after Peterson, who I'll grant is better. And your ranking of CBs is about right put Joe @ #5. in the freaking NFL.
Mike if you want to bitch about an off year, go post some Joe Thomas stats to show he had no business being in Hawaii.
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@mike-h said:
The California weather is stressing me out.
now that's fucking funny. i could picture myself on a chaise lounge right now drinking some poofy umbrella drinks instead of dealing with this shit we've been eating for like 3 months now.
you know what they say: long winter short summer. hopefully whoever is playing QB or any other position in N OH next fall/winter can handle the conditions.........cuz it ain't no joke. (well it is kinda funny to see how the southern coast of the US doesn't understand anything about snow/ice or how to drive or just stay out of the mess).
i'm going out right now to dig out the car for the second time this morning. figured i'd get half done after the ice, now deal with the snow that fell on top of it.
have a pina colada on me.
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11 teams had a CB, DAL had two, who played more snaps than Haden and Skrine. Mike H
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How many of them play in a division with every other team a playoff caliber team?
Shut up already yourself. lol.
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That your only rebuttal? I'll just label that as you are admitting you can't handle honest
discussion on this board. We disagree on all sorts of subjects. Either join in the fray,
or continue making yourself look like you should go hang out on a steeler board.
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@mike-h said:
The California weather is stressing me out.
now that's fucking funny. i could picture myself on a chaise lounge right now drinking some poofy umbrella drinks instead of dealing with this shit we've been eating for like 3 months now.
you know what they say: long winter short summer. hopefully whoever is playing QB or any other position in N OH next fall/winter can handle the conditions.........cuz it ain't no joke. (well it is kinda funny to see how the southern coast of the US doesn't understand anything about snow/ice or how to drive or just stay out of the mess).
i'm going out right now to dig out the car for the second time this morning. figured i'd get half done after the ice, now deal with the snow that fell on top of it.
have a pina colada on me.
now that's fucking funny. i could picture myself on a chaise lounge right now drinking some poofy umbrella drinks instead of dealing with this shit we've been eating for like 3 months now.
you know what they say: long winter short summer. hopefully whoever is playing QB or any other position in N OH next fall/winter can handle the conditions.........cuz it ain't no joke. (well it is kinda funny to see how the southern coast of the US doesn't understand anything about snow/ice or how to drive or just stay out of the mess).
i'm going out right now to dig out the car for the second time this morning. figured i'd get half done after the ice, now deal with the snow that fell on top of it.
have a pina colada on me.
Definitely feel for you, that must suck big time............. Whoops, can't talk, got to go for a mountain bike ride. Stay warm 🥷
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I like Joe Haden, but I have been saying all along that he is NOT a shutdown/elite CB. If Deion Sanders thinks Hayden takes plays off, then Haden is NOT an elite CB. I'm pretty sure Deion knows A LOT more about CB play then anyone on this forum
If Haden takes Deion's advice and plays better next year,against everybody, then maybe he will become elite, but after last year he is not. Getting up and playing better against the best WR's and then slacking against lesser talented WR's is not what an elite CB does.
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I didn't say Dion said he takes plays off, I said that Dion said that Haden falls asleep on lesser wideouts. He's up in AJ Greens face but lets up on lesser wide receivers- which allows them to make plays. Dion knows that Haden has the talent to be the best in the league and he challenged him to get after it next year. Haden will.
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I loved San Diego when I was there, but it's been quite awhile. I'm sure it is much more crowded and expensive then it was when I was there. I hated LA, polluted cess pool of crime and pollution. Northern CA is nice except for SF area.
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@mike-h said:
I like Joe a lot, I'm not bashing him because I said he didn't have a Top 5 year at his position.
What 5 were better?
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skrine is not a #2 corner. that is something we have to address swiftly in the draft......someone with height and speed.
mike H, all of a sudden you are looking like the biggest hater on this forum. if people don't agree with you, you say they know nothing about football.
having a major in journalism doesn't make you a genius at anything, except how to write grammatically correct and either state facts or give your opinions.
sorta like everyone else on this board. you are seriously turning out to be a dick.
having a major in journalism doesn't make you a genius at anything, except how to write grammatically correct and either state facts or give your opinions.
sorta like everyone else on this board. you are seriously turning out to be a dick.
A major in journalism only means you make poor career choices. If you want to write just blog, bro
On a serious note, you're right Toxic, Skrine is not good and needs to get addressed.
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I'll say this.
Joe Haden is a top 10 CB in the league. He's worth keeping long term. I don't think anybody disagrees.
I appreciate Mike H's point as it's valid. But there's too many factors like time.on field, safety help, etc. that impact him slightly.
Regardless of anyone's personal dislikes everyone still wants Haden for the long term.
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I'll say this.
Joe Haden is a top 10 CB in the league. He's worth keeping long term. I don't think anybody disagrees.
I appreciate Mike H's point as it's valid. But there's too many factors like time.on field, safety help, etc. that impact him slightly.
Regardless of anyone's personal dislikes everyone still wants Haden for the long term.
I'll say this.
Joe Haden is a top 10 CB in the league. He's worth keeping long term. I don't think anybody disagrees.
I appreciate Mike H's point as it's valid. But there's too many factors like time.on field, safety help, etc. that impact him slightly.
Regardless of anyone's personal dislikes everyone still wants Haden for the long term.
agreed.
but let's also agree that we need another one just like him or better? capiche?
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Would rather keep Mack if I have a choice. Both of them would be a great day.
WSS
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Would rather keep Mack if I have a choice. Both of them would be a great day.
WSS
Would rather keep Mack if I have a choice. Both of them would be a great day.
WSS
You would keep a center over a young pro bowl CB? Are you nukinfutz
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
Ahem. A pro bowl center.
Key of the O line.
WSS
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