Browns trying to lock up Joe Haden, talked yesterday - so it begins

calfoxwc

11 teams had a CB, DAL had two, who played more snaps than Haden and Skrine. Mike H

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How many of them play in a division with every other team a playoff caliber team?

Shut up already yourself. lol.

calfoxwc

That your only rebuttal? I'll just label that as you are admitting you can't handle honest

discussion on this board. We disagree on all sorts of subjects. Either join in the fray,

or continue making yourself look like you should go hang out on a steeler board.

hoorta

@mike-h said:
You're in la la homerland

So was Jerry Rice, Obviously.

D Bone

@miktoxic said:

now that's fucking funny. i could picture myself on a chaise lounge right now drinking some poofy umbrella drinks instead of dealing with this shit we've been eating for like 3 months now.

you know what they say: long winter short summer. hopefully whoever is playing QB or any other position in N OH next fall/winter can handle the conditions.........cuz it ain't no joke. (well it is kinda funny to see how the southern coast of the US doesn't understand anything about snow/ice or how to drive or just stay out of the mess).

i'm going out right now to dig out the car for the second time this morning. figured i'd get half done after the ice, now deal with the snow that fell on top of it.

have a pina colada on me.

Definitely feel for you, that must suck big time............. Whoops, can't talk, got to go for a mountain bike ride. Stay warm 🥷

Browns149

I like Joe Haden, but I have been saying all along that he is NOT a shutdown/elite CB. If Deion Sanders thinks Hayden takes plays off, then Haden is NOT an elite CB. I'm pretty sure Deion knows A LOT more about CB play then anyone on this forum

If Haden takes Deion's advice and plays better next year,against everybody, then maybe he will become elite, but after last year he is not. Getting up and playing better against the best WR's and then slacking against lesser talented WR's is not what an elite CB does.

PoeticG

I didn't say Dion said he takes plays off, I said that Dion said that Haden falls asleep on lesser wideouts. He's up in AJ Greens face but lets up on lesser wide receivers- which allows them to make plays. Dion knows that Haden has the talent to be the best in the league and he challenged him to get after it next year. Haden will.

DieHardBrownsFan

I loved San Diego when I was there, but it's been quite awhile. I'm sure it is much more crowded and expensive then it was when I was there. I hated LA, polluted cess pool of crime and pollution. Northern CA is nice except for SF area.

DownSouthKC

@mike-h said:

I like Joe a lot, I'm not bashing him because I said he didn't have a Top 5 year at his position.

What 5 were better?

DownSouthKC

@miktoxic said:

having a major in journalism doesn't make you a genius at anything, except how to write grammatically correct and either state facts or give your opinions.

sorta like everyone else on this board. you are seriously turning out to be a dick.

A major in journalism only means you make poor career choices. If you want to write just blog, bro

On a serious note, you're right Toxic, Skrine is not good and needs to get addressed.

bbedward

I'll say this.

Joe Haden is a top 10 CB in the league. He's worth keeping long term. I don't think anybody disagrees.

I appreciate Mike H's point as it's valid. But there's too many factors like time.on field, safety help, etc. that impact him slightly.

Regardless of anyone's personal dislikes everyone still wants Haden for the long term.

miktoxic

@bbedward said:

I'll say this.

Joe Haden is a top 10 CB in the league. He's worth keeping long term. I don't think anybody disagrees.

I appreciate Mike H's point as it's valid. But there's too many factors like time.on field, safety help, etc. that impact him slightly.

Regardless of anyone's personal dislikes everyone still wants Haden for the long term.

agreed.

but let's also agree that we need another one just like him or better? capiche?

Westside Steve

Would rather keep Mack if I have a choice. Both of them would be a great day.

WSS

CLEVELandMILIDH

@westside-steve said:

Would rather keep Mack if I have a choice. Both of them would be a great day.

WSS

You would keep a center over a young pro bowl CB? Are you nukinfutz

Westside Steve

Ahem. A pro bowl center.

Key of the O line.

WSS

Nuckin Futz

@clevelandmilidh said:

You would keep a center over a young pro bowl CB? Are you nukinfutz

Gotta agree

Westside Steve

@clevelandmilidh said:

You would keep a center over a young pro bowl CB? Are you nukinfutz

No I think he's younger than me....

WSS

CLEVELandMILIDH

@westside-steve said:

Ahem. A pro bowl center.

Key of the O line.

WSS

I wouldnt keep a HOF center over Haden. Macks not a very good runblocker against 3-4 nose tackles. I never understood why we never scheme plays for him to pull. He's probably the most athletic center in the league

Flyin J

@clevelandmilidh said:
I wouldnt keep a HOF center over Haden. Macks not a very good runblocker against 3-4 nose tackles. I never understood why we never scheme plays for him to pull. He's probably the most athletic center in the league

I thought we shoulda tried Mack at LG and Greco at C last year...CBs are far more valuable than Cs. The average salaries prove most all teams agree.

TypicalBrowns

Hadens production dipped in the last 1/4 of the season. That Jacksonville burn was painful to watch, there were a few times when we, as fans, hated admitting it but said out loud "that was on Haden"

Happened quite a lot towards the end, the production of the D in general fell off big time.

It is not a stretch at all to say that TJ Ward had a better season than Haden. Ward was certainly more consistent

DieHardBrownsFan

Exactly. Haden had a few rough games where he was outplayed. Not just a few plays as some stated.