Cleveland/Pittsburgh
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I had saturday off and took a trip to Beaver Falls Pennsylvania to visit the Beaver Brewing Company then went to eat at Hollywood Gardens. Everything about the trip was great and everyone we met was very pleasant. The beer itself was above average for a microbrew. Next morning had breakfast at a very eclectic place called waffles incaffeinated I believe in Rochester pa. Excellent food and nice folks.
I chose not to wear a Cleveland Browns Jersey.
WSS
I had saturday off and took a trip to Beaver Falls Pennsylvania to visit the Beaver Brewing Company then went to eat at Hollywood Gardens. Everything about the trip was great and everyone we met was very pleasant. The beer itself was above average for a microbrew. Next morning had breakfast at a very eclectic place called waffles incaffeinated I believe in Rochester pa. Excellent food and nice folks.
I chose not to wear a Cleveland Browns Jersey.
WSS
I wore a Browns hat in downtown Pittsburgh and even into a downtown bar, about 8-9 years ago. No one said anything. PA does have a lot of good beer establishment and history, to be sure.
Seeing so many Ohio Steeler fans around here, I also have to stop and re-think every time I see a Steelers fan in PA. This is their territory, it's normal and they are generally nice people.
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@mike-h said:
I have an easy solution to this debate: San Diego wins.
Vag, please continue. I'm interested and would like to hear more about your Podunk Paradise.
Only if you speak spanish.......
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Good synopsis Gipper....as a Pitt native with family in Youngstown/ctown/findly, I can agree with the premise as written.
Much of Pitt is a total shithole.....some is really awesome. Most of the people are complete douxhebags....see Mr yeast infection. Reality is, both cities are crumbling shells of their former glory. But I like it here....in the burbs. I have only 1 neighbor in sight, 2 acres with a small quiet home, and only 20 minutes from downtown. Most of downtown is a hood though....
As vags behavior suggests, most of the hicks here have an inferiority complex. Sure....Pitt prides itself on sports, mainly because there's little else to be proud of. The city's broke and corrupt, and the average persons wage here is so low that there will never be enough tax money to correct the issues. About 65% of the bridges here are structurally deficient, many of which are close to falling down. There are water main breaks almost everyday, and the roads are literally sliding down the hillsides they're built on.
Vag has really no idea....he doesn't even live here. I'm sure ctown has issues....lord knows my uncle complains about them daily. I don't see it as a competition..... every city I've been to/lived in were charming and shitty for their own reasons. To each their own.
Choco living out by Youngstown isn't living in Pittsburgh. The city is far from a sh.it hole and I lived there full time up until last April. I only moved to Columbus because of a business opportunity. Beyond that and in know I keep bringing this up but if pittsburgh only has its sports teams why exactly did national geographic vote it a top 25 destination globally? Nat Geo must really like the steelers. Lol
Choco living out by Youngstown isn't living in Pittsburgh. The city is far from a sh.it hole and I lived there full time up until last April. I only moved to Columbus because of a business opportunity. Beyond that and in know I keep bringing this up but if pittsburgh only has its sports teams why exactly did national geographic vote it a top 25 destination globally? Nat Geo must really like the steelers. Lol
As I said, those things go in cycles....and everybody has their opinion. Not too long ago Cleveland was considered one of the top destinations in the world by like Travel and Leisure or some such magazine.
Next week, next year someone may say Detroit or Buffalo are one of the world's best.
My comparisons dealt with some statistics, some opinion.
But, I will do this: you tell us: Why did Nat Geo do what they did?
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@mike-h said:
I have an easy solution to this debate: San Diego wins.
Vag, please continue. I'm interested and would like to hear more about your Podunk Paradise.
Actually, I looked up a source that compared the cities of Cleveland and San Diego based on 10 thing like unemployment, cost of living, crime, congestion, sports team success, and weather etc. etc. and Cleveland came out better in 9 out of ten categories. All but: winter weather.
So who do you suppose they gave the overall edge to? Yea, the city with the better weather (but with the worse crime/congestion etc. etc.
San Diego even has worse sports team success than Cleveland.
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I do believe that Playhouse Square is also the only district of it's type between L.A. and N.Y. not to mention that Cleveland is one of the few places that you can see a nautical sunrise and set the same day.
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I do believe that Playhouse Square is also the only district of it's type between L.A. and N.Y. not to mention that Cleveland is one of the few places that you can see a nautical sunrise and set the same day.
I do believe that Playhouse Square is also the only district of it's type between L.A. and N.Y. not to mention that Cleveland is one of the few places that you can see a nautical sunrise and set the same day.
Interesting. Something I never thought about. I suspect that a few of the other places in the US where you can do that would be The Florida Keys, Rochester NY, and probably like Copper Harbor Mich., and probably places in Hawaii.
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Had to move to Columbus for a business opportunity? So what you're saying is, an Ohio city had more to offer you than your beloved Pittsburgh.
Seriously, in terms of things like economics, arts & entertainment, you can't place one town well above the other. You can't and be honest about it. Keeping it a little bit on topic to pro-sports, that's gotta be the biggest reason for the Browns/Steelers rivalry. Two cities in close proximity, both blue-collar manufacturing towns (that are now shells of their former selves in this regard) that love to see hard-nosed football.
One being next to a Great Lake and the other within the mountains and rivers of Appalachia gives them each their own unique look, but the core components like Gipper has covered keeps them quite alike. Rival fans may want to deny that, understandable, but it is what it is. Myself, I'll take the city by the lake any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. That PA town and its people smell bad.
Had to move to Columbus for a business opportunity? So what you're saying is, an Ohio city had more to offer you than your beloved Pittsburgh.
Seriously, in terms of things like economics, arts & entertainment, you can't place one town well above the other. You can't and be honest about it. Keeping it a little bit on topic to pro-sports, that's gotta be the biggest reason for the Browns/Steelers rivalry. Two cities in close proximity, both blue-collar manufacturing towns (that are now shells of their former selves in this regard) that love to see hard-nosed football.
One being next to a Great Lake and the other within the mountains and rivers of Appalachia gives them each their own unique look, but the core components like Gipper has covered keeps them quite alike. Rival fans may want to deny that, understandable, but it is what it is. Myself, I'll take the city by the lake any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. That PA town and its people smell bad.
Pittsburgh ranked second to only salt lake city for upward mobility. I didn't want to move to Columbus but my fiance whom I met in college is from Delaware, Ohio. She opened a business in the downtown. We would otherwise be in pittsburgh and I still plan to move back once we are ready to open a second location.
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Had to move to Columbus for a business opportunity? So what you're saying is, an Ohio city had more to offer you than your beloved Pittsburgh.
Seriously, in terms of things like economics, arts & entertainment, you can't place one town well above the other. You can't and be honest about it. Keeping it a little bit on topic to pro-sports, that's gotta be the biggest reason for the Browns/Steelers rivalry. Two cities in close proximity, both blue-collar manufacturing towns (that are now shells of their former selves in this regard) that love to see hard-nosed football.
One being next to a Great Lake and the other within the mountains and rivers of Appalachia gives them each their own unique look, but the core components like Gipper has covered keeps them quite alike. Rival fans may want to deny that, understandable, but it is what it is. Myself, I'll take the city by the lake any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. That PA town and its people smell bad.
Pittsburgh ranked second to only salt lake city for upward mobility. I didn't want to move to Columbus but my fiance whom I met in college is from Delaware, Ohio. She opened a business in the downtown. We would otherwise be in pittsburgh and I still plan to move back once we are ready to open a second location.
Pittsburgh ranked second to only salt lake city for upward mobility. I didn't want to move to Columbus but my fiance whom I met in college is from Delaware, Ohio. She opened a business in the downtown. We would otherwise be in pittsburgh and I still plan to move back once we are ready to open a second location.
What kind of business? In Columbus, or in Delaware? (a very nice college town.)
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In Delaware. The big part of the move was because of the owu campus. Its a juice and smoothie "bar". All natural outside of either the sherbet or the frozen yogurt. We also do wraps and once we are in the building. We have a food truck right now outside the location that is being renovated we will add the giant juicer and start our wheat grass shots. 30 different smoothies, 10,wraps. Delaware is definitely a very nice little town. You can walk everywhere.
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Attack of the Pittsburgh hipsters
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Here's a tale I heard somewhere.
"A fellow came up to me and said 'pardon me sir I've just moved to this town can you tell me what it's like?' I asked him how the town was that he was moving from and he replied that it was a horrible place. 'People were unfriendly dishonest nasty ill tempered and rude.' I told him I think you'll probably find this town is exactly the same.
At that point a woman came up to me and said she hadn't heard my answer but she just moved here too and wondered what this town was like. When I asked her what the town was like that she was moving from she said it was great. 'Everyone was friendly and pleasant and there were many enjoyable things to experience.' I told her, 'well ma'am, I think you'll find this town is exactly the same'."
So there ya go kids.
WSS
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In Delaware. The big part of the move was because of the owu campus. Its a juice and smoothie "bar". All natural outside of either the sherbet or the frozen yogurt. We also do wraps and once we are in the building. We have a food truck right now outside the location that is being renovated we will add the giant juicer and start our wheat grass shots. 30 different smoothies, 10,wraps. Delaware is definitely a very nice little town. You can walk everywhere.
In Delaware. The big part of the move was because of the owu campus. Its a juice and smoothie "bar". All natural outside of either the sherbet or the frozen yogurt. We also do wraps and once we are in the building. We have a food truck right now outside the location that is being renovated we will add the giant juicer and start our wheat grass shots. 30 different smoothies, 10,wraps. Delaware is definitely a very nice little town. You can walk everywhere.
My son's best friend from high school attended Ohio Wesleyan....and believe it or not he is going on to law school at....Pitt.
I also have a very good friend from Delaware who is an insurance agent....if you need that kind of thing.
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Here's a tale I heard somewhere.
"A fellow came up to me and said 'pardon me sir I've just moved to this town can you tell me what it's like?' I asked him how the town was that he was moving from and he replied that it was a horrible place. 'People were unfriendly dishonest nasty ill tempered and rude.' I told him I think you'll probably find this town is exactly the same.
At that point a woman came up to me and said she hadn't heard my answer but she just moved here too and wondered what this town was like. When I asked her what the town was like that she was moving from she said it was great. 'Everyone was friendly and pleasant and there were many enjoyable things to experience.' I told her, 'well ma'am, I think you'll find this town is exactly the same'."
So there ya go kids.
WSS
Here's a tale I heard somewhere.
"A fellow came up to me and said 'pardon me sir I've just moved to this town can you tell me what it's like?' I asked him how the town was that he was moving from and he replied that it was a horrible place. 'People were unfriendly dishonest nasty ill tempered and rude.' I told him I think you'll probably find this town is exactly the same.
At that point a woman came up to me and said she hadn't heard my answer but she just moved here too and wondered what this town was like. When I asked her what the town was like that she was moving from she said it was great. 'Everyone was friendly and pleasant and there were many enjoyable things to experience.' I told her, 'well ma'am, I think you'll find this town is exactly the same'."
So there ya go kids.
WSS
I agree with that philosophy completely. Sure, sometimes people need a change of scenery, but it has all to do with them than the town/city they live in.
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@mike-h said:
All my ohio friends do is bitch about winter, and if you can afford it, San Diego is paradise. If you're working at McDonald's it's not gonna be fun.
We should ask an expert: Mark O. After all, he lives in SD.
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@mike-h said:
All my ohio friends do is bitch about winter, and if you can afford it, San Diego is paradise. If you're working at McDonald's it's not gonna be fun.
When I lived there in the late 70's and again in the mid 80's I could barely afford it. We didn't get COLA in those days, just BAQ. You had to be a CDR or above to afford a home then. Interest rates were high, etc. I could probably afford a nice home in Nasty City and work at a Mom and Pop Taco stand.
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White trash coming from Pittsburgh, PA and the surrounding areas in western, PA, eastern, OH, and northeast WV. Very frequently inbred, under educated, and Retarded, the yinzer is a simple breed, speaking in a dialect often referred to as "Pittsburghese", characterized by the fictional word, "Yinz". The Yinzer is a willfully ignorant species, fully believing that pittsburgh is the best city in america simply because said yinzer has never been more than 20 miles from pittsburgh.Yinzer: "YInz gahn'a stilurz game dahn at hahnz fiild"
Human:" Are you guys going to a steelers game down at heinz field?"
Yinzer: " Dahn by maa haas"
Human: "Down by My House"
Yinzer: " Da Yinz caeer need fixed?"
Human: "Does your car need to be fixed?" -
Formerly Sane said:
As one would expect, if The Gipper said it, it's probably a crock of hooey. Take a look at the statistics on City Data.com for the two cities and see the distinct difference in education level, income, home values, crime,etc. and the truth is easy to see. You will see that despite a higher number of police per capita, Cleveland's crime rate is over twice that of Pittsburgh's.
Now I'm sure that like a good Browns fan you will all assume that Pittsburgh pays the web site and the web site is stupid blah blah blah.
But who am I to judge, maybe some of you like a city with high crime, low income and low education, to each his own
Odd that you think that Pittsburgh has all those statistical advantages, yet Pittsburgh has been losing a greater percentage of its population than Cleveland has for decades now.
So whatever you think is happening, people in that town are voting with their feet to leave.
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Formerly Sane said:
The best part is that you probably don't have a clue how much you just proved my point
Your point you each making being that people from Pittsburgh have difficulty speaking English?
I agree with you. He made that point very well.
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Formerly Sane said:
Would you mind putting that in English please? You are a hoot!
Yinzers deal is dat youze talk like yinses brains have been all squarshed. I mean its like yer ignernt. Airyago.
Bowchyins. Now go ghost afore I cutcher nuts half in two.
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So, OK, I will give Pittsburgh this: they have a more colorful way of talking.
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