Cleveland/Pittsburgh
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I do believe that Playhouse Square is also the only district of it's type between L.A. and N.Y. not to mention that Cleveland is one of the few places that you can see a nautical sunrise and set the same day.
I do believe that Playhouse Square is also the only district of it's type between L.A. and N.Y. not to mention that Cleveland is one of the few places that you can see a nautical sunrise and set the same day.
Interesting. Something I never thought about. I suspect that a few of the other places in the US where you can do that would be The Florida Keys, Rochester NY, and probably like Copper Harbor Mich., and probably places in Hawaii.
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Had to move to Columbus for a business opportunity? So what you're saying is, an Ohio city had more to offer you than your beloved Pittsburgh.
Seriously, in terms of things like economics, arts & entertainment, you can't place one town well above the other. You can't and be honest about it. Keeping it a little bit on topic to pro-sports, that's gotta be the biggest reason for the Browns/Steelers rivalry. Two cities in close proximity, both blue-collar manufacturing towns (that are now shells of their former selves in this regard) that love to see hard-nosed football.
One being next to a Great Lake and the other within the mountains and rivers of Appalachia gives them each their own unique look, but the core components like Gipper has covered keeps them quite alike. Rival fans may want to deny that, understandable, but it is what it is. Myself, I'll take the city by the lake any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. That PA town and its people smell bad.
Had to move to Columbus for a business opportunity? So what you're saying is, an Ohio city had more to offer you than your beloved Pittsburgh.
Seriously, in terms of things like economics, arts & entertainment, you can't place one town well above the other. You can't and be honest about it. Keeping it a little bit on topic to pro-sports, that's gotta be the biggest reason for the Browns/Steelers rivalry. Two cities in close proximity, both blue-collar manufacturing towns (that are now shells of their former selves in this regard) that love to see hard-nosed football.
One being next to a Great Lake and the other within the mountains and rivers of Appalachia gives them each their own unique look, but the core components like Gipper has covered keeps them quite alike. Rival fans may want to deny that, understandable, but it is what it is. Myself, I'll take the city by the lake any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. That PA town and its people smell bad.
Pittsburgh ranked second to only salt lake city for upward mobility. I didn't want to move to Columbus but my fiance whom I met in college is from Delaware, Ohio. She opened a business in the downtown. We would otherwise be in pittsburgh and I still plan to move back once we are ready to open a second location.
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Had to move to Columbus for a business opportunity? So what you're saying is, an Ohio city had more to offer you than your beloved Pittsburgh.
Seriously, in terms of things like economics, arts & entertainment, you can't place one town well above the other. You can't and be honest about it. Keeping it a little bit on topic to pro-sports, that's gotta be the biggest reason for the Browns/Steelers rivalry. Two cities in close proximity, both blue-collar manufacturing towns (that are now shells of their former selves in this regard) that love to see hard-nosed football.
One being next to a Great Lake and the other within the mountains and rivers of Appalachia gives them each their own unique look, but the core components like Gipper has covered keeps them quite alike. Rival fans may want to deny that, understandable, but it is what it is. Myself, I'll take the city by the lake any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. That PA town and its people smell bad.
Pittsburgh ranked second to only salt lake city for upward mobility. I didn't want to move to Columbus but my fiance whom I met in college is from Delaware, Ohio. She opened a business in the downtown. We would otherwise be in pittsburgh and I still plan to move back once we are ready to open a second location.
Pittsburgh ranked second to only salt lake city for upward mobility. I didn't want to move to Columbus but my fiance whom I met in college is from Delaware, Ohio. She opened a business in the downtown. We would otherwise be in pittsburgh and I still plan to move back once we are ready to open a second location.
What kind of business? In Columbus, or in Delaware? (a very nice college town.)
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In Delaware. The big part of the move was because of the owu campus. Its a juice and smoothie "bar". All natural outside of either the sherbet or the frozen yogurt. We also do wraps and once we are in the building. We have a food truck right now outside the location that is being renovated we will add the giant juicer and start our wheat grass shots. 30 different smoothies, 10,wraps. Delaware is definitely a very nice little town. You can walk everywhere.
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Attack of the Pittsburgh hipsters
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Here's a tale I heard somewhere.
"A fellow came up to me and said 'pardon me sir I've just moved to this town can you tell me what it's like?' I asked him how the town was that he was moving from and he replied that it was a horrible place. 'People were unfriendly dishonest nasty ill tempered and rude.' I told him I think you'll probably find this town is exactly the same.
At that point a woman came up to me and said she hadn't heard my answer but she just moved here too and wondered what this town was like. When I asked her what the town was like that she was moving from she said it was great. 'Everyone was friendly and pleasant and there were many enjoyable things to experience.' I told her, 'well ma'am, I think you'll find this town is exactly the same'."
So there ya go kids.
WSS
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In Delaware. The big part of the move was because of the owu campus. Its a juice and smoothie "bar". All natural outside of either the sherbet or the frozen yogurt. We also do wraps and once we are in the building. We have a food truck right now outside the location that is being renovated we will add the giant juicer and start our wheat grass shots. 30 different smoothies, 10,wraps. Delaware is definitely a very nice little town. You can walk everywhere.
In Delaware. The big part of the move was because of the owu campus. Its a juice and smoothie "bar". All natural outside of either the sherbet or the frozen yogurt. We also do wraps and once we are in the building. We have a food truck right now outside the location that is being renovated we will add the giant juicer and start our wheat grass shots. 30 different smoothies, 10,wraps. Delaware is definitely a very nice little town. You can walk everywhere.
My son's best friend from high school attended Ohio Wesleyan....and believe it or not he is going on to law school at....Pitt.
I also have a very good friend from Delaware who is an insurance agent....if you need that kind of thing.
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Here's a tale I heard somewhere.
"A fellow came up to me and said 'pardon me sir I've just moved to this town can you tell me what it's like?' I asked him how the town was that he was moving from and he replied that it was a horrible place. 'People were unfriendly dishonest nasty ill tempered and rude.' I told him I think you'll probably find this town is exactly the same.
At that point a woman came up to me and said she hadn't heard my answer but she just moved here too and wondered what this town was like. When I asked her what the town was like that she was moving from she said it was great. 'Everyone was friendly and pleasant and there were many enjoyable things to experience.' I told her, 'well ma'am, I think you'll find this town is exactly the same'."
So there ya go kids.
WSS
Here's a tale I heard somewhere.
"A fellow came up to me and said 'pardon me sir I've just moved to this town can you tell me what it's like?' I asked him how the town was that he was moving from and he replied that it was a horrible place. 'People were unfriendly dishonest nasty ill tempered and rude.' I told him I think you'll probably find this town is exactly the same.
At that point a woman came up to me and said she hadn't heard my answer but she just moved here too and wondered what this town was like. When I asked her what the town was like that she was moving from she said it was great. 'Everyone was friendly and pleasant and there were many enjoyable things to experience.' I told her, 'well ma'am, I think you'll find this town is exactly the same'."
So there ya go kids.
WSS
I agree with that philosophy completely. Sure, sometimes people need a change of scenery, but it has all to do with them than the town/city they live in.
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@mike-h said:
All my ohio friends do is bitch about winter, and if you can afford it, San Diego is paradise. If you're working at McDonald's it's not gonna be fun.
We should ask an expert: Mark O. After all, he lives in SD.
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@mike-h said:
All my ohio friends do is bitch about winter, and if you can afford it, San Diego is paradise. If you're working at McDonald's it's not gonna be fun.
When I lived there in the late 70's and again in the mid 80's I could barely afford it. We didn't get COLA in those days, just BAQ. You had to be a CDR or above to afford a home then. Interest rates were high, etc. I could probably afford a nice home in Nasty City and work at a Mom and Pop Taco stand.
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White trash coming from Pittsburgh, PA and the surrounding areas in western, PA, eastern, OH, and northeast WV. Very frequently inbred, under educated, and Retarded, the yinzer is a simple breed, speaking in a dialect often referred to as "Pittsburghese", characterized by the fictional word, "Yinz". The Yinzer is a willfully ignorant species, fully believing that pittsburgh is the best city in america simply because said yinzer has never been more than 20 miles from pittsburgh.Yinzer: "YInz gahn'a stilurz game dahn at hahnz fiild"
Human:" Are you guys going to a steelers game down at heinz field?"
Yinzer: " Dahn by maa haas"
Human: "Down by My House"
Yinzer: " Da Yinz caeer need fixed?"
Human: "Does your car need to be fixed?" -
Formerly Sane said:
As one would expect, if The Gipper said it, it's probably a crock of hooey. Take a look at the statistics on City Data.com for the two cities and see the distinct difference in education level, income, home values, crime,etc. and the truth is easy to see. You will see that despite a higher number of police per capita, Cleveland's crime rate is over twice that of Pittsburgh's.
Now I'm sure that like a good Browns fan you will all assume that Pittsburgh pays the web site and the web site is stupid blah blah blah.
But who am I to judge, maybe some of you like a city with high crime, low income and low education, to each his own
Odd that you think that Pittsburgh has all those statistical advantages, yet Pittsburgh has been losing a greater percentage of its population than Cleveland has for decades now.
So whatever you think is happening, people in that town are voting with their feet to leave.
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Formerly Sane said:
The best part is that you probably don't have a clue how much you just proved my point
Your point you each making being that people from Pittsburgh have difficulty speaking English?
I agree with you. He made that point very well.
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Formerly Sane said:
Would you mind putting that in English please? You are a hoot!
Yinzers deal is dat youze talk like yinses brains have been all squarshed. I mean its like yer ignernt. Airyago.
Bowchyins. Now go ghost afore I cutcher nuts half in two.
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So, OK, I will give Pittsburgh this: they have a more colorful way of talking.
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Formerly Sane said:
As one would expect, if The Gipper said it, it's probably a crock of hooey. Take a look at the statistics on City Data.com for the two cities and see the distinct difference in education level, income, home values, crime,etc. and the truth is easy to see. You will see that despite a higher number of police per capita, Cleveland's crime rate is over twice that of Pittsburgh's.
Now I'm sure that like a good Browns fan you will all assume that Pittsburgh pays the web site and the web site is stupid blah blah blah.
But who am I to judge, maybe some of you like a city with high crime, low income and low education, to each his own
To be fair most of the population that claims Cleveland as home don't live in Cleveland but the suburbs. I live 40 or so miles west in Amherst. Travelling Cleveland extensively for work has led me to authoritatively say Cleveland is a shithole. But I'd still rather be here than the burgh which I just plain out hate. I could not exist on the side of a mountain. It's not for me. At least we have the lake and it is beautiful out west here.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Formerly Sane said:
As one would expect, if The Gipper said it, it's probably a crock of hooey. Take a look at the statistics on City Data.com for the two cities and see the distinct difference in education level, income, home values, crime,etc. and the truth is easy to see. You will see that despite a higher number of police per capita, Cleveland's crime rate is over twice that of Pittsburgh's.
Now I'm sure that like a good Browns fan you will all assume that Pittsburgh pays the web site and the web site is stupid blah blah blah.
But who am I to judge, maybe some of you like a city with high crime, low income and low education, to each his own
To be fair most of the population that claims Cleveland as home don't live in Cleveland but the suburbs. I live 40 or so miles west in Amherst. Travelling Cleveland extensively for work has led me to authoritatively say Cleveland is a shithole. But I'd still rather be here than the burgh which I just plain out hate. I could not exist on the side of a mountain. It's not for me. At least we have the lake and it is beautiful out west here.
To be fair most of the population that claims Cleveland as home don't live in Cleveland but the suburbs. I live 40 or so miles west in Amherst. Travelling Cleveland extensively for work has led me to authoritatively say Cleveland is a shithole. But I'd still rather be here than the burgh which I just plain out hate. I could not exist on the side of a mountain. It's not for me. At least we have the lake and it is beautiful out west here.
Yes. A lot of the suburbs make a super easy trip downtown though, which is nice.
Downtown is a nice place to be, so are some of the surrounding areas like Lakewood if you're looking for a fun time (Lakewood is a decent place to live if you're 18-30 IMO. Some of the near neighborhoods have gone downhill though. Just a lot of not caring for the older properties. I grew up in Old Brooklyn, albeit I'm not that old, but that's a neighborhood that isn't all that terrible - but most of the properties are worth dirt now and that caused a lot of trashier people to move into the area. I definitely wouldn't live there nowadays myself though.
Parma's been going downhill as well.
Regardless most people live in a surrounding burb and commute probably 20-40 minutes if they work within the city.
Cleveland advantages over Pittsburgh off the top of my head:
- Hospitals
- Museums (I mean, you have the rock & roll, art museum, football HOF nearby)
- Lake
- More fortune 500 companies
- Playhouse Square
- Better food (In my opinion)
- Better beer (This one's actually a fact)
I have nothing against Pittsburgh as a city. I've been there a few teams and have had a really good time every time. My biggest problems are getting around the city which I find to be a PITA compared to Cleveland and living on a cliff.
Only thing I have against Pittsburgh is people who act like these goons. But I guess you find that anywhere.
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To be fair most of the population that claims Cleveland as home don't live in Cleveland but the suburbs. I live 40 or so miles west in Amherst. Travelling Cleveland extensively for work has led me to authoritatively say Cleveland is a shithole. But I'd still rather be here than the burgh which I just plain out hate. I could not exist on the side of a mountain. It's not for me. At least we have the lake and it is beautiful out west here.
Yes. A lot of the suburbs make a super easy trip downtown though, which is nice.
Downtown is a nice place to be, so are some of the surrounding areas like Lakewood if you're looking for a fun time (Lakewood is a decent place to live if you're 18-30 IMO. Some of the near neighborhoods have gone downhill though. Just a lot of not caring for the older properties. I grew up in Old Brooklyn, albeit I'm not that old, but that's a neighborhood that isn't all that terrible - but most of the properties are worth dirt now and that caused a lot of trashier people to move into the area. I definitely wouldn't live there nowadays myself though.
Parma's been going downhill as well.
Regardless most people live in a surrounding burb and commute probably 20-40 minutes if they work within the city.
Cleveland advantages over Pittsburgh off the top of my head:
- Hospitals
- Museums (I mean, you have the rock & roll, art museum, football HOF nearby)
- Lake
- More fortune 500 companies
- Playhouse Square
- Better food (In my opinion)
- Better beer (This one's actually a fact)
I have nothing against Pittsburgh as a city. I've been there a few teams and have had a really good time every time. My biggest problems are getting around the city which I find to be a PITA compared to Cleveland and living on a cliff.
Only thing I have against Pittsburgh is people who act like these goons. But I guess you find that anywhere.
Yes. A lot of the suburbs make a super easy trip downtown though, which is nice.
Downtown is a nice place to be, so are some of the surrounding areas like Lakewood if you're looking for a fun time (Lakewood is a decent place to live if you're 18-30 IMO. Some of the near neighborhoods have gone downhill though. Just a lot of not caring for the older properties. I grew up in Old Brooklyn, albeit I'm not that old, but that's a neighborhood that isn't all that terrible - but most of the properties are worth dirt now and that caused a lot of trashier people to move into the area. I definitely wouldn't live there nowadays myself though.
Parma's been going downhill as well.
Regardless most people live in a surrounding burb and commute probably 20-40 minutes if they work within the city.
Cleveland advantages over Pittsburgh off the top of my head:
- Hospitals
- Museums (I mean, you have the rock & roll, art museum, football HOF nearby)
- Lake
- More fortune 500 companies
- Playhouse Square
- Better food (In my opinion)
- Better beer (This one's actually a fact)
I have nothing against Pittsburgh as a city. I've been there a few teams and have had a really good time every time. My biggest problems are getting around the city which I find to be a PITA compared to Cleveland and living on a cliff.
Only thing I have against Pittsburgh is people who act like these goons. But I guess you find that anywhere.
The rock hall is overpriced and overrated honestly. The pro football hall of fame is in canton, definitely not Cleveland. Canton is an hour or better from Cleveland.
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Yes. A lot of the suburbs make a super easy trip downtown though, which is nice.
Downtown is a nice place to be, so are some of the surrounding areas like Lakewood if you're looking for a fun time (Lakewood is a decent place to live if you're 18-30 IMO. Some of the near neighborhoods have gone downhill though. Just a lot of not caring for the older properties. I grew up in Old Brooklyn, albeit I'm not that old, but that's a neighborhood that isn't all that terrible - but most of the properties are worth dirt now and that caused a lot of trashier people to move into the area. I definitely wouldn't live there nowadays myself though.
Parma's been going downhill as well.
Regardless most people live in a surrounding burb and commute probably 20-40 minutes if they work within the city.
Cleveland advantages over Pittsburgh off the top of my head:
- Hospitals
- Museums (I mean, you have the rock & roll, art museum, football HOF nearby)
- Lake
- More fortune 500 companies
- Playhouse Square
- Better food (In my opinion)
- Better beer (This one's actually a fact)
I have nothing against Pittsburgh as a city. I've been there a few teams and have had a really good time every time. My biggest problems are getting around the city which I find to be a PITA compared to Cleveland and living on a cliff.
Only thing I have against Pittsburgh is people who act like these goons. But I guess you find that anywhere.
The rock hall is overpriced and overrated honestly. The pro football hall of fame is in canton, definitely not Cleveland. Canton is an hour or better from Cleveland.
45 minutes to an hour, I know it's in Canton but if you visited Cleveland it's an easy day trip to make.The rock hall is overpriced and overrated honestly. The pro football hall of fame is in canton, definitely not Cleveland. Canton is an hour or better from Cleveland.
I may have an unpopular opinion around here, but I have no problem with the city of Pittsburgh. Main reason I wouldn't live there is the landscape, lack of my career interests, etc. And it still doesn't feel right being from Cleveland.
I almost took an internship there (PPG) and I have a very good friend out there.
Steeler fans I've met out there were actually pretty polite.
My biggest problem is the inbred goons that live all over the place and in Ohio. Lots of ignorant jerkoffs who talk but have no idea what they're talking about. I can't even understand them sometimes.
Bengal fans are almost just as bad as the Ohio born Pittsburgh fans I encounter though.
I have a "friend"/acquaintence who lives and was born here in Toledo that I invited out to watch a game. Dude didn't show up until after the game just to annoy the crap out of everyone. I told him he was a big fat pussy and to drink beer somewhere else.
My personal hot spot is Austin, Texas.
Low cost of living, tons to do, booming, loads of well paying tech jobs (I'm a software engineer)
But that's just me, Pitt fans that come to this board seem to be of the bad type. Luckily I didn't encounter any of those while I was visiting Pittsburgh.
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The cluelessness of these Pittsburghers is laughable. I don't know how anyone can seriously believe one city is that much greater than the other.
This is the their trademark across the board I guess. Stoolers fans have delusions about their team and their city.
I'm the same way as Cysko Kid. I couldn't stand to live on the side of a mountain either. Not my cup of tea.
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