More gun stuff
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Legacy,
Gotcha.
A heartbeat is a good definition for life, but a poor definition for human life. I'm okay with destroying a chicken so I can eat dinner, so I have no problem with a woman destroying her less-sentient fetus.
Legacy,
Gotcha.
A heartbeat is a good definition for life, but a poor definition for human life. I'm okay with destroying a chicken so I can eat dinner, so I have no problem with a woman destroying her less-sentient fetus.
So using your chicken example abortion should be legal years after birth? Fine with me. There are a lot of kids I would like to get rid of.
WSS
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Jonathan Swift.
Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula -
Are the mentally Retarded sentient? Florida could use some clarification, so they can enact a death penalty
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Jonathan Swift.
Jonathan Swift.
Yummy, but no.
So using your chicken example abortion should be legal years after birth? Fine with me. There are a lot of kids I would like to get rid of.
WSS
If you think that a two year old is less sentient than a chicken, you're just being obtuse.
Are the mentally Retarded sentient? Florida could use some clarification, so they can enact a death penalty
Yes, they are sentient. Even people with trisomy 21 have more self-awareness than a chicken.
Nice try fellas. I take it all of you are against pulling the plug on someone who's braindead?
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You'll never get me to agree that abortion is ok, I really don't give a Fuck what the brain activity is after the heart starts beating. If It's not murdered the fetus will invariably develop your vaunted sentience. It's not growing info a chicken its growing into a child
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Jonathan Swift.
Yummy, but no.
So using your chicken example abortion should be legal years after birth? Fine with me. There are a lot of kids I would like to get rid of.
WSS
If you think that a two year old is less sentient than a chicken, you're just being obtuse.
Are the mentally Retarded sentient? Florida could use some clarification, so they can enact a death penalty
Yes, they are sentient. Even people with trisomy 21 have more self-awareness than a chicken.
Nice try fellas. I take it all of you are against pulling the plug on someone who's braindead?
Yummy, but no.
If you think that a two year old is less sentient than a chicken, you're just being obtuse.
Yes, they are sentient. Even people with trisomy 21 have more self-awareness than a chicken.
Nice try fellas. I take it all of you are against pulling the plug on someone who's braindead?
That person had a chance to live and died. They're not bring denied their right to life
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You'll never get me to agree that abortion is ok, I really don't give a Fuck what the brain activity is after the heart starts beating. If It's not murdered the fetus will invariably develop your vaunted sentience. It's not growing info a chicken its growing into a child
You'll never get me to agree that abortion is ok, I really don't give a Fuck what the brain activity is after the heart starts beating. If It's not murdered the fetus will invariably develop your vaunted sentience. It's not growing info a chicken its growing into a child
Cool story, bro. Until Congress agrees with you, abortions are still legal.
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You'll never get me to agree that abortion is ok, I really don't give a Fuck what the brain activity is after the heart starts beating. If It's not murdered the fetus will invariably develop your vaunted sentience. It's not growing info a chicken its growing into a child
You'll never get me to agree that abortion is ok, I really don't give a Fuck what the brain activity is after the heart starts beating. If It's not murdered the fetus will invariably develop your vaunted sentience. It's not growing info a chicken its growing into a child
To play devil's advocate - which I know you love doing - where does it stop? After all, women produce eggs, all of which have the possibility to develop sentience when fertilized, and men produce sperm to do the fertilizing. Is it immoral to not use every egg/sperm possible to have a baby?
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Here's a thought exercise -
Carlos Boozer's first child had sickle-cell anemia. He and his wife wanted to ensure that their second child did not.
They didn't want an abortion for their first child, it never was an option. For their second child, they used in vitro fertilization, which required the fertilization of ~20 ova. Only a few of these embryo did not express the sickle-cell trait, those which did were destroyed. Would you consider Carlos Boozer a mass murderer?
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You'll never get me to agree that abortion is ok, I really don't give a Fuck what the brain activity is after the heart starts beating. If It's not murdered the fetus will invariably develop your vaunted sentience. It's not growing info a chicken its growing into a child
Cool story, bro. Until Congress agrees with you, abortions are still legal.
Cool story, bro. Until Congress agrees with you, abortions are still legal.
Legal and ok are two different things. Legally George zimmerman was within his rights to escalate the situation with trayon Martin and then kill him. That doesn't make it right
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Here's a thought exercise -
Carlos Boozer's first child had sickle-cell anemia. He and his wife wanted to ensure that their second child did not.
They didn't want an abortion for their first child, it never was an option. For their second child, they used in vitro fertilization, which required the fertilization of ~20 ova. Only a few of these embryo did not express the sickle-cell trait, those which did were destroyed. Would you consider Carlos Boozer a mass murderer?
Also, how do you feel about in vitro fertilization?
Explain your comparison. In vitro is sort of an anti abortion. Science using their powers for good and not evil.
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Also, how do you feel about in vitro fertilization?
Explain your comparison. In vitro is sort of an anti abortion. Science using their powers for good and not evil.
Explain your comparison. In vitro is sort of an anti abortion. Science using their powers for good and not evil.
I edited my post above. And you really are showing that you have no idea how IVF works. If you have time, please watch the video. It's from ESPN's Outside the Lines and it's a great example of the dynamic of medical ethics.
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Here's a thought exercise -
Carlos Boozer's first child had sickle-cell anemia. He and his wife wanted to ensure that their second child did not.
They didn't want an abortion for their first child, it never was an option. For their second child, they used in vitro fertilization, which required the fertilization of ~20 ova. Only a few of these embryo did not express the sickle-cell trait, those which did were destroyed. Would you consider Carlos Boozer a mass murderer?
Here's a thought exercise -
Carlos Boozer's first child had sickle-cell anemia. He and his wife wanted to ensure that their second child did not.
They didn't want an abortion for their first child, it never was an option. For their second child, they used in vitro fertilization, which required the fertilization of ~20 ova. Only a few of these embryo did not express the sickle-cell trait, those which did were destroyed. Would you consider Carlos Boozer a mass murderer?
Sort of, yes. I can't agree with them destroying embryos to prevent sickle cell which is a disease that can be lived with
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Explain your comparison. In vitro is sort of an anti abortion. Science using their powers for good and not evil.
I edited my post above. And you really are showing that you have no idea how IVF works. If you have time, please watch the video. It's from ESPN's Outside the Lines and it's a great example of the dynamic of medical ethics.
I edited my post above. And you really are showing that you have no idea how IVF works.
I've no reason to. I've never had to go the IVF route. So everybody should know everything in your world? My understanding of IVF is that its primarily used to help couples who can't conceive naturally have children. That is at least a noble cause. Abortion somewhat less so
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Here's a thought exercise -
Carlos Boozer's first child had sickle-cell anemia. He and his wife wanted to ensure that their second child did not.
They didn't want an abortion for their first child, it never was an option. For their second child, they used in vitro fertilization, which required the fertilization of ~20 ova. Only a few of these embryo did not express the sickle-cell trait, those which did were destroyed. Would you consider Carlos Boozer a mass murderer?
Sort of, yes. I can't agree with them destroying embryos to prevent sickle cell which is a disease that can be lived with
Sort of, yes. I can't agree with them destroying embryos to prevent sickle cell which is a disease that can be lived with
The median life expectancy for sickle cell is in the 40's. Those with sickle cell are significantly more susceptible to stroke, penile infarction, spontaneous abortions, ulcers, renal failure, and many more symptoms that would make life hell. To deal with these symptoms is going to require a lifetime of close medical attention. That's a huge financial burden that many people are not willing nor able to take on. If I have a low/middle-class income, I'm very much considering an abortion in this case.
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70's with medical advances I just looked it up
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70's with medical advances I just looked it up
70's with medical advances I just looked it up
The mean is in the 40's, I said median in the above post
Source:http://www.sicklecelldisease.org/index.cfm?page=faq
You can live up to your 70s, but it's not the majority of cases. Not yet, anyways.
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Anyway abortion for medical reasons is substantially different than abortion because you just don't want the child.
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We've had this argument before and my opinion of elective abortion has failed to change
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Jonathan Swift.
Yummy, but no.
So using your chicken example abortion should be legal years after birth? Fine with me. There are a lot of kids I would like to get rid of.
WSS
If you think that a two year old is less sentient than a chicken, you're just being obtuse.
Are the mentally Retarded sentient? Florida could use some clarification, so they can enact a death penalty
Yes, they are sentient. Even people with trisomy 21 have more self-awareness than a chicken.
Nice try fellas. I take it all of you are against pulling the plug on someone who's braindead?
Hey it was your own dip shit example....Yummy, but no.
If you think that a two year old is less sentient than a chicken, you're just being obtuse.
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Make it a one day old if you'd rather.
WSS
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