Jonathan Paul Manziel
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well it's all over nfl network that the browns didn't even talk to manziel further suggesting they like derek carr as a better fit.
one mock on nfl.com has us taking mack @4 and carr @26.. the other has us taking watkins @4 and hyde @26.
so this shit is all over the place and i guarantee it's change 5 more times before may.
well it's all over nfl network that the browns didn't even talk to manziel further suggesting they like derek carr as a better fit.
one mock on nfl.com has us taking mack @4 and carr @26.. the other has us taking watkins @4 and hyde @26.
so this shit is all over the place and i guarantee it's change 5 more times before may.
if they take anyone other than one of the three QBs,clowney or Watkins at the fourth, ill be sure the browns are still being run by totally stupid people.
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answer the question...whats he done to make everyone think he will be a disciplinary case? don't make me start another manziel thread! lolol
no, sir i answered the question in many posts about JF AND the other QBs. you know my stance. i hope they trade down and pick evans. zip, zang. zung.
no you answer MY question: you won't be happy unless they pick JF @4 correct? along with walter white.
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@walterwhite said:
I'm so tired of the "let's play it safe" crowd.
Complete babies.
@walterwhite said:
Manziel will either be a total badass or complete bust. No in between.
Which is why I don't want him drafted, and I don't think I'm alone on that. I've had enough bust draft picks for a while. Even the ones that only produce one good year or maybe two years and then fade out (Edwards, Winslow). Tired of it. Since '99, other than Joe Thomas and Joe Haden, who's become a top, long-standing player? Or players who become the face of the franchise? Manziel would become the face, I'm sure. But for all the wrong reasons, and likely short-lived.
If he wears brown and orange, I'll support him as well. But right now, I think Browns need to make the smartest draft choices, not the riskiest ones. Quality players in other positions of need are out there and should be priority. That being said, I'm not an expert here and if Farmer and Pettine say we need one of these QB's and pick one @ #4, including JF, I'll stand by them.
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answer the question...whats he done to make everyone think he will be a disciplinary case? don't make me start another manziel thread! lolol
no, sir i answered the question in many posts about JF AND the other QBs. you know my stance. i hope they trade down and pick evans. zip, zang. zung.
no you answer MY question: you won't be happy unless they pick JF @4 correct? along with walter white.
no, sir i answered the question in many posts about JF AND the other QBs. you know my stance. i hope they trade down and pick evans. zip, zang. zung.
no you answer MY question: you won't be happy unless they pick JF @4 correct? along with walter white.
I will be happiest with jf. ill be very happy but kinda scratching my head with clowney or Watkins. ill understand with bortles or bridge, I know we just disagree and have different opinions. if they pick someone other than those five ill be sure that the browns people don't understand that you get a game changer with a high draft pick and not a guard or nosetackle.you gotta get a gamechanger with a pick in the top five...you just gotta. Cleveland doesn't,thats why they lose.but again,without a QB they aren't going anywhere.
Rumsfeld said you go to war with the army you have not the army you want.when you need a QB you draft a QB from the QBs you have not the QBs you want.we can either say we are going for a franchise QB because we realize we cant win without one.or we can say we don't think theres one in there and we are basically gonna tank next year and hope to draft one in the next draft. but very very few franchise surefire QBs are ever in the draft.these three really are more the norm than Andrew luck,really
I mean how many QBs are in the NFL that on draft day everyone said"cant miss"?and how many years will Cleveland have to suck till they get one?
you gotta go with what is in front of you. and manziel has the highest upside.
either go with a QB or just say right now im expecting 4 to 6 wins next year
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@walterwhite said:
I'm so tired of the "let's play it safe" crowd.
Complete babies.
There's four aces in the deck! Hit me!!!
WSS
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Meanwhile, Shaun King's mock draft has Manziel being drafted....
after the first round !
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/shaun-king-s-2014-nfl-mock-draft-182959168.html
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Meanwhile, Shaun King's mock draft has Manziel being drafted....
after the first round !
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/shaun-king-s-2014-nfl-mock-draft-182959168.html
Meanwhile, Shaun King's mock draft has Manziel being drafted....
after the first round !
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/shaun-king-s-2014-nfl-mock-draft-182959168.html
Johnny's cult will kill themselves and hope for the comet if he makes it out of the first.
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Nobody but a dumbass would argue the fact rg3 was a better college qb than Johnny. He was bigger stonger fast, better thrower. At that time I was against bringing rg3 to Cleveland. In college he was fast than 95% of the d on the field, in the nfl it's maybe 30%. Johnny is is slower, smaller, weaker, and less arm strength. So what would make anyone think bring Johnny to Cleveland would be smart. Kyle has seen this before and I would imagine is telling everyone this is a bad ideal. Running qbs won't and don't last. Johnny is run first. Not to mention to pressure it puts on a front line. And finally to put it frankly if they do take Johnny football I'm out fuck the browns I hope they move again, because that shows me they have no interest in winning only filling a few seats. But I think there smarter than that. Mel kipper can eat a dick too.
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Why is Cleveland always looking for a qb. Let's load the team with talent so a cripple could play the position. Pass on the qb this year let hoyer do the job and if it's a worry pick up a free agent.
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Chill out buddy, Take a valium and a couple shots of Johnny Walker. They're not going to take any of the top three quarterbacks. Just my gut feeling.
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JF all the way.
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Why is Cleveland always looking for a qb. Let's load the team with talent so a cripple could play the position. Pass on the qb this year let hoyer do the job and if it's a worry pick up a free agent.
No.Why is Cleveland always looking for a qb. Let's load the team with talent so a cripple could play the position. Pass on the qb this year let hoyer do the job and if it's a worry pick up a free agent.
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your probably right...they'll take a nose tackle or guard...then use three different QBs, in route to a 6-10 season and the 8th pick next year.
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I don't think anyone including Farmer know.
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they showed an actual preseason draft and FA behind the scenes of the cowboys one night on NFL network.
they didn't have anything settled in stone until 7 days of the draft. and then as soon as you go into the war room and think you know how it's gonna go, someone in front of you does some stupid shit and then you wait for a phone call or give the intern the card.
tick tock.......tick tock........
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@walterwhite said:
I can't wait until Manziel is a Cleveland Brown
Even if that is when the Raiders cut him after a poor four year run and he comes over to hold a clipboard and run the scout team?
Not sure why some folks are so convinced on this guy ... scouts seem to have a lot of questions.
Zombo
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@walterwhite said:
I can't wait until Manziel is a Cleveland Brown
Even if that is when the Raiders cut him after a poor four year run and he comes over to hold a clipboard and run the scout team?
Not sure why some folks are so convinced on this guy ... scouts seem to have a lot of questions.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Even if that is when the Raiders cut him after a poor four year run and he comes over to hold a clipboard and run the scout team?
Not sure why some folks are so convinced on this guy ... scouts seem to have a lot of questions.
Zombo
Not sure why everyone else is convinced he's a bust.
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Nobody but a dumbass would argue the fact rg3 was a better college qb than Johnny. He was bigger stonger fast, better thrower. At that time I was against bringing rg3 to Cleveland. In college he was fast than 95% of the d on the field, in the nfl it's maybe 30%. Johnny is is slower, smaller, weaker, and less arm strength. So what would make anyone think bring Johnny to Cleveland would be smart. Kyle has seen this before and I would imagine is telling everyone this is a bad ideal. Running qbs won't and don't last. Johnny is run first. Not to mention to pressure it puts on a front line. And finally to put it frankly if they do take Johnny football I'm out fuck the browns I hope they move again, because that shows me they have no interest in winning only filling a few seats. But I think there smarter than that. Mel kipper can eat a dick too.
Nobody but a dumbass would argue the fact rg3 was a better college qb than Johnny. He was bigger stonger fast, better thrower. At that time I was against bringing rg3 to Cleveland. In college he was fast than 95% of the d on the field, in the nfl it's maybe 30%. Johnny is is slower, smaller, weaker, and less arm strength. So what would make anyone think bring Johnny to Cleveland would be smart. Kyle has seen this before and I would imagine is telling everyone this is a bad ideal. Running qbs won't and don't last. Johnny is run first. Not to mention to pressure it puts on a front line. And finally to put it frankly if they do take Johnny football I'm out fuck the browns I hope they move again, because that shows me they have no interest in winning only filling a few seats. But I think there smarter than that. Mel kipper can eat a dick too.
JF reads the field ten times better coming out of college
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
Zombo said:
Even if that is when the Raiders cut him after a poor four year run and he comes over to hold a clipboard and run the scout team?
Not sure why some folks are so convinced on this guy ... scouts seem to have a lot of questions.
Zombo
Not sure why everyone else is convinced he's a bust.
Not sure why everyone else is convinced he's a bust.
There seems to be a ton of us that think he's a good player but not at #4.
How many guys think he is a bust on this board ... one?
Zombo
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