Upward or merely lateral moves?
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Ward got burnt in coverage. Jackson can't play ILB in a 3-4. Ward needs an EXCELLENT FS playing next to him, and the right system or he is practically useless. Jackson needs to be in a 4-3 scheme where he can be the solo MLB and have 4 DLinemen in front of him.
Our system doesn't fit either; HOWEVER, Dansby and Whitner both fit perfectly in our system. So, not only did we upgrade talent, but we significantly upgraded "fit" with our "D" scheme.
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Ward got burnt in coverage. Jackson can't play ILB in a 3-4. Ward needs an EXCELLENT FS playing next to him, and the right system or he is practically useless. Jackson needs to be in a 4-3 scheme where he can be the solo MLB and have 4 DLinemen in front of him.
Our system doesn't fit either; HOWEVER, Dansby and Whitner both fit perfectly in our system. So, not only did we upgrade talent, but we significantly upgraded "fit" with our "D" scheme.
Ward got burnt in coverage. Jackson can't play ILB in a 3-4. Ward needs an EXCELLENT FS playing next to him, and the right system or he is practically useless. Jackson needs to be in a 4-3 scheme where he can be the solo MLB and have 4 DLinemen in front of him.
Our system doesn't fit either; HOWEVER, Dansby and Whitner both fit perfectly in our system. So, not only did we upgrade talent, but we significantly upgraded "fit" with our "D" scheme.
^This.
I guess it is easier to hate on the Browns ,,, but Farmer and Pettine are unlike anything we have seen, IMO.
I seriously think they fucking know what they are doing.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens on Sundays.
Zombo
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Ward got burnt in coverage. Jackson can't play ILB in a 3-4. Ward needs an EXCELLENT FS playing next to him, and the right system or he is practically useless. Jackson needs to be in a 4-3 scheme where he can be the solo MLB and have 4 DLinemen in front of him.
Our system doesn't fit either; HOWEVER, Dansby and Whitner both fit perfectly in our system. So, not only did we upgrade talent, but we significantly upgraded "fit" with our "D" scheme.
And when he didn't get burnt in coverage, he would take bad angles and miss tackles. Or he wouldn't wrap up, go for the big shoulder hit and miss tackles. Ward is a good in the box, line of scrimmage run stuffing safety, nothing more.Ward got burnt in coverage. Jackson can't play ILB in a 3-4. Ward needs an EXCELLENT FS playing next to him, and the right system or he is practically useless. Jackson needs to be in a 4-3 scheme where he can be the solo MLB and have 4 DLinemen in front of him.
Our system doesn't fit either; HOWEVER, Dansby and Whitner both fit perfectly in our system. So, not only did we upgrade talent, but we significantly upgraded "fit" with our "D" scheme.
Whitner is much, much better and coverage, and almost as good as a physical safety.
Arguably the most important thing not being mentioned : he comes from a culture of winning. Sure he was drafted in Buffalo, but he was with the Niners for a trip to the SB, and also last year for NFC title game. And being an Ohio guy, a Cleveland guy, a guy proud of his heritage, he wants to bring that here. I'm all the fuck for it, 100%. Dawgpound pride. Right the fuck on!
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Dansby is an excellent "cover" LB & when was the last time we had that. Add to that Whitner & his skills (which I believe surpass Wards'), desire to be in Cleveland, PLUS a WINNING mentality. Haslam, Farmer, & Pettine are changing the entire culture of this Browns Franchise. They're bringing in players that endorse the NEW culture & that's a good thing.
Mike
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I just hope they don't let Ben Tate leave without signing a contract sometime tonight... We need a guy like that...
I also want to see a Grossman/Schaub signing to be our vet backup
I like Hawkins, and hope our offer is good enough to steal him from Cincy, but I still need to see another WR - probably early in the draft
I'm curious what we're looking at for a CB2 - I'm not exactly impressed with the Trufant/Skrine/McFadden competition for that spot
I'd also like to see another ILB - what happened to talks with Moats? He at least knows the system
Not sold on Gipson at FS, maybe bringing in a former Farmer signing in K.Lewis from KC or just waiting to see what happens with Slaughter in camp
Even with all ^^^, they still will be looking to draft a QB - WR - RB - OG - LB - CB
I'm waiting to see a little more spending before I get excited about this roster. And, I need to see Mack coming back or else that just adds a huge hole to our somewhat questionable OL
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Everything here other than Hitner wanting to be here is bullshit, douchebag.
Really?? So Jackson is more of a playmaker than Dansby?
Just between me and you ... have you ever really watched a fucking NFL game?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Really?? So Jackson is more of a playmaker than Dansby?
Just between me and you ... have you ever really watched a fucking NFL game?
Zombo
Ya football, what you call soccer right?
Yes I do, And the stats back that opinion up. Hoping Dansby proves me wrong.
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Zombo said:
Really?? So Jackson is more of a playmaker than Dansby?
Just between me and you ... have you ever really watched a fucking NFL game?
Zombo
Ya football, what you call soccer right?
Yes I do, And the stats back that opinion up. Hoping Dansby proves me wrong.
Ya football, what you call soccer right?
Yes I do, And the stats back that opinion up. Hoping Dansby proves me wrong.
Are we still doing this? What stats back up Jackson being *better* than Dansby?
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Got his back? More like his dick in your mouth faggot..
Your a funny one I'll give you that. Go be a jackass somewhere else. Little immature thirteen year old boys do not belong on the interwebs my friend. Now go back to spanking your pud in mamma's basement before grandpa gummers comes down and offers to suck you off and you begrudgingly accept.
GuNNerGatSKy said:
Your a funny one I'll give you that. Go be a jackass somewhere else. Little immature thirteen year old boys do not belong on the interwebs my friend. Now go back to spanking your pud in mamma's basement before grandpa gummers comes down and offers to suck you off and you begrudgingly accept.
sounds like its coming from someone wih experience. No shame, lots were abused as teens. Did mommy make you serve her "the gun", gunner?
Try saying grampie's gummie's with Mik's balls in your mouth..
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Zombo said:
Really?? So Jackson is more of a playmaker than Dansby?
Just between me and you ... have you ever really watched a fucking NFL game?
Zombo
Ya football, what you call soccer right?
Yes I do, And the stats back that opinion up. Hoping Dansby proves me wrong.
Ya football, what you call soccer right?
Yes I do, And the stats back that opinion up. Hoping Dansby proves me wrong.
Dansby had 6.5 sacks and 4 ints
Jackson had 1.5 sacks and 1 int
What do you consider playmaking? Tackles seven yards downfield? Cause DQ was the master of that.
Zombo
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Ya football, what you call soccer right?
Yes I do, And the stats back that opinion up. Hoping Dansby proves me wrong.
Dansby had 6.5 sacks and 4 ints
Jackson had 1.5 sacks and 1 int
What do you consider playmaking? Tackles seven yards downfield? Cause DQ was the master of that.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Dansby had 6.5 sacks and 4 ints
Jackson had 1.5 sacks and 1 int
What do you consider playmaking? Tackles seven yards downfield? Cause DQ was the master of that.
Zombo[/quote
Yep, and Dansby had 7 sacks and 2 Int's in the 4 years prior to last year. He didn't miss any time other than 2 games in those 4 years.
DQ was a good Brown. I'll be rooting for Karlos but I'm not seeing it ending as a good move, time will tell.
Done bitching back and forth with your fat ass, Ccunt..
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I am still waiting for them to do something in Free agency that is a clear, positive upgrade. Yes, Dansby,Whitner and maybe Hawkins are incremental upgrades to DQ/TJ/Bess, positions from which we lost starting players. But Trufant and the TE are just roster depth. No real starter there. Even if we sign Grossman that is just replacing two below average backups QBs with one.
A real #2 WR would have been nice. Getting Edelman if they do would be....OK....maybe. (as noted elsewhere: just a beneficiary of Tom Terrific?). Would Santonio Holmes/MIles Austin/Emmanuel Sanders be worth a shot? (or is that a Draft designated position)
How about that #2 CB? One supposedly reliable source...ESPN...has Tarell Brown as the #1 best FA CB of all (including all those already signed elsewhere)
How about OG and RB?
Where is the influx of talent....not just the replacement of talent?
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Steve Smith to the fucking Ratbirds. 3 year deal.
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Zombo said:
Dansby had 6.5 sacks and 4 ints
Jackson had 1.5 sacks and 1 int
What do you consider playmaking? Tackles seven yards downfield? Cause DQ was the master of that.
Zombo[/quote
Yep, and Dansby had 7 sacks and 2 Int's in the 4 years prior to last year. He didn't miss any time other than 2 games in those 4 years.
DQ was a good Brown. I'll be rooting for Karlos but I'm not seeing it ending as a good move, time will tell.
Done bitching back and forth with your fat ass, Ccunt..
Zombo said:
Dansby had 6.5 sacks and 4 ints
Jackson had 1.5 sacks and 1 int
What do you consider playmaking? Tackles seven yards downfield? Cause DQ was the master of that.
Zombo[/quote
Yep, and Dansby had 7 sacks and 2 Int's in the 4 years prior to last year. He didn't miss any time other than 2 games in those 4 years.
DQ was a good Brown. I'll be rooting for Karlos but I'm not seeing it ending as a good move, time will tell.
Done bitching back and forth with your fat ass, Ccunt..
If you're really done, than just quit typing and embarrassing yourself?
Zombo
--does this font make my ass look fat?
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If nothing else, the players that they've been picking up all seem to have great attitudes and seem like they WANT to win in Cleveland. It may take some time to complete the overhaul of the losers for the winners, but if everyone is on the same page and the team's identity can be established, we're miles ahead of where we've seen this team for the last decade and a half.
I love the focus Farmer and his crew seem to have and as long as their talent evaluation can be strong enough, things will be turning around through the next few seasons.
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I am still waiting for them to do something in Free agency that is a clear, positive upgrade. Yes, Dansby,Whitner and maybe Hawkins are incremental upgrades to DQ/TJ/Bess, positions from which we lost starting players. But Trufant and the TE are just roster depth. No real starter there. Even if we sign Grossman that is just replacing two below average backups QBs with one.
A real #2 WR would have been nice. Getting Edelman if they do would be....OK....maybe. (as noted elsewhere: just a beneficiary of Tom Terrific?). Would Santonio Holmes/MIles Austin/Emmanuel Sanders be worth a shot? (or is that a Draft designated position)
How about that #2 CB? One supposedly reliable source...ESPN...has Tarell Brown as the #1 best FA CB of all (including all those already signed elsewhere)
How about OG and RB?
Where is the influx of talent....not just the replacement of talent?
I am still waiting for them to do something in Free agency that is a clear, positive upgrade. Yes, Dansby,Whitner and maybe Hawkins are incremental upgrades to DQ/TJ/Bess, positions from which we lost starting players. But Trufant and the TE are just roster depth. No real starter there. Even if we sign Grossman that is just replacing two below average backups QBs with one.
A real #2 WR would have been nice. Getting Edelman if they do would be....OK....maybe. (as noted elsewhere: just a beneficiary of Tom Terrific?). Would Santonio Holmes/MIles Austin/Emmanuel Sanders be worth a shot? (or is that a Draft designated position)
How about that #2 CB? One supposedly reliable source...ESPN...has Tarell Brown as the #1 best FA CB of all (including all those already signed elsewhere)
How about OG and RB?
Where is the influx of talent....not just the replacement of talent?
Look for us to draft Xavier su'a-filo (my favorite OG) and a RB
I would like to see us fill some positions in FA though too.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Namely CB^
Anyone have some options at CB that could be realistic? Or is the draft a better place to fill this position?
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Gilbert would be a great pick in the 20's for DB
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after a few days to let the FA digest a bit I would say we made we slightly upward moves. What makes me wonder is why the 9'ers didnt try to retain whitner? Seems they didn't try very hard to keep him.
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after a few days to let the FA digest a bit I would say we made we slightly upward moves. What makes me wonder is why the 9'ers didnt try to retain whitner? Seems they didn't try very hard to keep him.
after a few days to let the FA digest a bit I would say we made we slightly upward moves. What makes me wonder is why the 9'ers didnt try to retain Dansby? Seems they didn't try very hard to keep him.
We dont know if they for sure didnt offer him any thing. he says he wanted to come here from the start.
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