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  • How much govt. money is lost to these "slugs" that are gaming the system?

    How much potential govt. money is lost by the rich and companies gaming the tax code?

    @mld-woody said:

    How much govt. money is lost to these "slugs" that are gaming the system?

    How much potential govt. money is lost by the rich and companies gaming the tax code?

    You won't see me arguing for either group. They are both scumbags.

  • I would wager to guess one of those numbers is a good amount higher than the other

  • Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?

    By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.

    WSS

  • Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?

    By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?

    By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.

    WSS

    As soon as pecker head gets out of the college boy status and actually has to start working, he will learn.

  • @westside-steve said:

    Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?

    By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.

    WSS

    As soon as pecker head gets out of the college boy status and actually has to start working, he will learn.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    As soon as pecker head gets out of the college boy status and actually has to start working, he will learn.

    Oh yes.... oh wise experienced one. Tell me how I know nothing about working or anything else because I disagree with you.

  • Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?

    By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?

    By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.

    WSS

    I never said they were evil. Don't put words in my mouth. I am not part of the group here calling poor people slugs.

    What are they doing? Idk the specifics of the tax code, it is convoluted and filled with loopholes (why they can game it). I assume if you have enough money you can pay accounts to work a lot of magic. Tax shelters, changing where you supposedly live, etc.

    It is all legal, technically, but the complete double standard on here by some is ridiculous. Blame poor people for everything and treat the rich as infallible. I guess that is just what you'd hear if you only ever watched right wing news sources.

    Speaking of taxes. I just got back my tax return and it was a pretty damn nice amount 🙂

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    As soon as pecker head gets out of the college boy status and actually has to start working, he will learn.

    Oh yes.... oh wise experienced one. Tell me how I know nothing about working or anything else because I disagree with you.

    @mld-woody said:

    Oh yes.... oh wise experienced one. Tell me how I know nothing about working or anything else because disagree with you.

    Because you are a child. You haven't done shit. Work for a decade, get married, have kids then talk.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Oh yes.... oh wise experienced one. Tell me how I know nothing about working or anything else because disagree with you.

    Because you are a child. You haven't done shit. Work for a decade, get married, have kids then talk.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Because you are a child. You haven't done shit. Work for a decade, get married, have kids then talk.

    Then I'll find Jesus

    Fear god

    Hate gays

    Want to keep pot illegal

    Will be "pro-life"

    etc etc etc

    No... bro. It doesn't work like that.

  • You'll find out.

  • So there are no liberals over the age of 35?

  • I will admit, though, that young people usually have more utopian views, whereas the more 'experienced' among us have seen the same suggestions over and again not working.

  • I would wager to guess one of those numbers is a good amount higher than the other

    @mld-woody said:

    I would wager to guess one of those numbers is a good amount higher than the other

    No doubt. I just don't have to deal with dead beat millionaires at Wal-Mart.

  • So there are no liberals over the age of 35?

    @gftchris said:

    So there are no liberals over the age of 35?

    There are "liberals" (the textbook version) over 35 but they are usually neurotic douches who sometimes show up at grillouts at friends' houses. They normally have liberal arts degrees and low skilled jobs as a result. They end up being weirdly racist. My wife is black and they dive deep into the white guilt to try and show the wife how "not racist" they are. Usually ends with them loosely implying that black people are dumb and require high minded white people to come in and save them from themselves.

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Because you are a child. You haven't done shit. Work for a decade, get married, have kids then talk.

    Then I'll find Jesus

    Fear god

    Hate gays

    Want to keep pot illegal

    Will be "pro-life"

    etc etc etc

    No... bro. It doesn't work like that.

    @mld-woody said:

    Then I'll find Jesus

    Fear god

    Hate gays

    Want to keep pot illegal

    Will be "pro-life"

    etc etc etc

    No... bro. It doesn't work like that.

    Actually it kinda does a little

  • I don't see my stance on social issues changes because I get older. I won't eventually think gays shouldn't be allowed to marry or not want to be seen in public with them because I'm older.

    My views on social issues won't slowly move to the conservative views of today. More liberal views will pop up with younger generations and my views now could become the conservative view

  • 1) It is incredibly arrogant to act like you "opened your eyes" and became a conservative as you got older. To act like now you are so much wiser for making some "transformation" and understanding things the other side just cannot.

    2) Also, you don't become more conservative as you get older, like I said. Instead, your beliefs themselves might just become more conservative, like I was saying too.

    and here is my link to back that up. It includes quotes by those damn brainwashing liberal professors though...

    http://news.discovery.com/human/psychology/voter-conservative-aging-liberal-120119.htm

    I am not going to age and then become religious. I am not going to age and then decide I should treat gays like 2nd class citizens. I am not going to age and then feel the govt. should have a good degree of control over a woman's body.

    When I am older though there may be more liberal viewpoints out there in regards to my stances on these issues. Therefore, by comparison, my views could be conservative in a few decades. That is if I continue to keep them at the level they are or continue to stay on the more liberal, progressive side of things.

    Here is another article that pretty much agrees with me - http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/13/older-more-rightwing

    Talk to those who study these patterns and they'll explain that it's not the fact that people are in their late 60s or 70s that gives them these attitudes, but rather the specific period in which they were raised. On gay rights, many of today's senior citizens were shaped in a climate that saw homosexuals as deviants and criminals: for many, those views have simply stuck. It's not as if they were once tolerant and have hardened their hearts as they've grown older. Equally, there's no reason to believe that today's twentysomethings will become anti-gay as they age. On the contrary, the data suggests the attitudes forged now will be theirs for life.

    (FYI, I am just searching "do you become more conservative as you grow older" not "PROOF MMGW IS A HOAX" or something....)

    These articles speak of the time you've come to age as a major indicator for your political leanings throughout your life. I would like to think then I have come to age in a time of readily available information and reason. (Not to beat this point up again) I won't just look at some old book and say "Well, this book says it is this way, and my parents did it this way, and their parents did too, so I guess I will." I have access to the entirety of man's knowledge at my fingertips. I can view studies, polls, reports, scientific papers, etc. I have grown up with technology intertwined in my life, I have studied a very quantitative degree, I understand how to utilize these things. I can access multiple news outlets and multiple viewpoints. I am not limited in that regard in any way. I'd like to think I am coming to age in a time where I can objectively look at the facts presented to me and go from there, and not look at something in a completely black and white manner. I have access to the information needed to do this that made wasn't as easily gained decades ago. Every generation wants to think they can improve upon where the other left off. My dad is a successful guy, but I want to be more successful. I want to improve, progress in some way. I hope my kids do the same thing. I hope they look at whatever the information and facts are of their time, look at what developments we have made in their time, and construct their views from. I would hate for them to do something or think some way just because I did.

  • The only transformation I took was becoming more fiscally conservative but still held no bias. It doesn't matter if it is a rich guy or a poor guy avoiding the tax man and sticking me with the bill. Corporate or regular welfare is still welfare. I can't tolerate free loaders of any stripe.

    I will always be socially liberal because I can't bring myself to give a shit what other people do if I am not involved. I will never just up and decide I want to be a nosy dick head and force my pet theories on life on to everyone else via the law.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Then I'll find Jesus

    Fear god

    Hate gays

    Want to keep pot illegal

    Will be "pro-life"

    etc etc etc

    No... bro. It doesn't work like that.

    Actually it kinda does a little

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Actually it kinda does a little

    I agree, everyones veiws evolve and change throughout their lives, especially after kids.
  • It isn't arrogant to say people can become more conservative as they age. For a lot of folks,

    it's fact.

    There are people who will lock in their identity to a group. In fact, group security was one of

    Mazlow's Hierarchy of Needs.

    But there are many, many people who look at the world through more honest eyes - they see

    the world through their experiences in life, in others' experiences, all sorts of factors.

    Sometimes there is a vested interest in adopting a nearby groups' interests. I've seen guys who

    told me they never smoked in their lives, only to join the service, and start smoking. Because

    the guys around them did.

    More and more life expeiences can concrete already held convictions. And, conflicting experiences

    can change convictions. A friends' daughter used to think that all people should have an income, even

    not having a job, etc. it was only fair.

    ...until she started working after hs, and saw how much she was paying in income tax. That really shocked her

    into giving up the free stuff feel good nonsense. Then, it was a choice of "how can I work and not be able to pay

    my own bills and go to college, when I'm being taxed for those who are happy not working and on welfare? "

    Things do change. But a serious lack of experiences in the world doesn't help anybody understand much.