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  • I know three people personally that are on permanent disability for anxiety. Anxiety. Anxiety is the human condition. I don't think anyone here could say they don't have anxiety. To let it keep an able bodied person from working, ever, is unfathomable to me.

  • In general terms, yes. But it's difficult to ensure that everyone is what they say they are. Some people are clearly going to game the system so as to not work. That's where the difficulty lies. So you get people to check up on them - how many people? At a certain point it becomes more cost effective to just allow the cheaters to cheat than pay people to check up on them.

    @gftchris said:

    In general terms, yes. But it's difficult to ensure that everyone is what they say they are. Some people are clearly going to game the system so as to not work. That's where the difficulty lies. So you get people to check up on them - how many people? At a certain point it becomes more cost effective to just allow the cheaters to cheat than pay people to check up on them.

    it doesn't seem like that grand a task. I'm sure there's something that everyone even the most disabled could do for a few hours a day. I'd guess most of them could do a reasonably normal job but even the really disabled ones should be able to sit and watch a door or something. As I said busy work. Just annoying enough that they have to go do it, not that it's particularly hard.

    And it's not about the money. We don't spend that much on welfare considering. It's just that the numbers are going to grow by leaps and bounds it's just the idea that these people will be damaged for generations and there will be more of them. Just because a standard of living is beneath you or me doesn't mean that someone else couldn't live that way without a problem. Hell there are people born raised and die in Somalia without committing suicide.

    WSS

  • Off topic, but the disability system in this country is out of wack. I would wager many people receive disability payments who are not actually disabled. There are so many driving with the blue disabled placard that there aren't enough parking spots. My brother has one because his knee joints are practically gone and he can never find a parking spot, usually some fat woman waddles out of the car and takes it. Yes, they actually hand them out now for being a fat ass.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Off topic, but the disability system in this country is out of wack. I would wager many people receive disability payments who are not actually disabled. There are so many driving with the blue disabled placard that there aren't enough parking spots. My brother has one because his knee joints are practically gone and he can never find a parking spot, usually some fat woman waddles out of the car and takes it. Yes, they actually hand them out now for being a fat ass.

    The state of WV has to be the tops per capita for people gaming the disability system. Seriously, you get more people in 10 with "back injuries" or "nerve problems" than any other place i have been. They game the system and then teach their kids how to do it.

  • How much govt. money is lost to these "slugs" that are gaming the system?

    How much potential govt. money is lost by the rich and companies gaming the tax code?

  • How much govt. money is lost to these "slugs" that are gaming the system?

    How much potential govt. money is lost by the rich and companies gaming the tax code?

    @mld-woody said:

    How much govt. money is lost to these "slugs" that are gaming the system?

    How much potential govt. money is lost by the rich and companies gaming the tax code?

    You won't see me arguing for either group. They are both scumbags.

  • I would wager to guess one of those numbers is a good amount higher than the other

  • Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?

    By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.

    WSS

  • Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?

    By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?

    By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.

    WSS

    As soon as pecker head gets out of the college boy status and actually has to start working, he will learn.

  • @westside-steve said:

    Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?

    By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.

    WSS

    As soon as pecker head gets out of the college boy status and actually has to start working, he will learn.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    As soon as pecker head gets out of the college boy status and actually has to start working, he will learn.

    Oh yes.... oh wise experienced one. Tell me how I know nothing about working or anything else because I disagree with you.

  • Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?

    By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Not only that, logic, but for those of us fortunate enough do not have to work a day job and can stay home and watch Judge Judy it's easy to see the number of law firms that specialize in getting disability benefits. They advertise on TV during the time that musicians and unemployed people are watching. It really has skyrocketed the last 6 years. Hmm I wonder why?

    By the way woody, what are those evil rich people doing to make all that money? You'll have to give me an example.

    WSS

    I never said they were evil. Don't put words in my mouth. I am not part of the group here calling poor people slugs.

    What are they doing? Idk the specifics of the tax code, it is convoluted and filled with loopholes (why they can game it). I assume if you have enough money you can pay accounts to work a lot of magic. Tax shelters, changing where you supposedly live, etc.

    It is all legal, technically, but the complete double standard on here by some is ridiculous. Blame poor people for everything and treat the rich as infallible. I guess that is just what you'd hear if you only ever watched right wing news sources.

    Speaking of taxes. I just got back my tax return and it was a pretty damn nice amount 🙂

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    As soon as pecker head gets out of the college boy status and actually has to start working, he will learn.

    Oh yes.... oh wise experienced one. Tell me how I know nothing about working or anything else because I disagree with you.

    @mld-woody said:

    Oh yes.... oh wise experienced one. Tell me how I know nothing about working or anything else because disagree with you.

    Because you are a child. You haven't done shit. Work for a decade, get married, have kids then talk.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Oh yes.... oh wise experienced one. Tell me how I know nothing about working or anything else because disagree with you.

    Because you are a child. You haven't done shit. Work for a decade, get married, have kids then talk.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Because you are a child. You haven't done shit. Work for a decade, get married, have kids then talk.

    Then I'll find Jesus

    Fear god

    Hate gays

    Want to keep pot illegal

    Will be "pro-life"

    etc etc etc

    No... bro. It doesn't work like that.

  • You'll find out.

  • So there are no liberals over the age of 35?

  • I will admit, though, that young people usually have more utopian views, whereas the more 'experienced' among us have seen the same suggestions over and again not working.

  • I would wager to guess one of those numbers is a good amount higher than the other

    @mld-woody said:

    I would wager to guess one of those numbers is a good amount higher than the other

    No doubt. I just don't have to deal with dead beat millionaires at Wal-Mart.

  • So there are no liberals over the age of 35?

    @gftchris said:

    So there are no liberals over the age of 35?

    There are "liberals" (the textbook version) over 35 but they are usually neurotic douches who sometimes show up at grillouts at friends' houses. They normally have liberal arts degrees and low skilled jobs as a result. They end up being weirdly racist. My wife is black and they dive deep into the white guilt to try and show the wife how "not racist" they are. Usually ends with them loosely implying that black people are dumb and require high minded white people to come in and save them from themselves.

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Because you are a child. You haven't done shit. Work for a decade, get married, have kids then talk.

    Then I'll find Jesus

    Fear god

    Hate gays

    Want to keep pot illegal

    Will be "pro-life"

    etc etc etc

    No... bro. It doesn't work like that.

    @mld-woody said:

    Then I'll find Jesus

    Fear god

    Hate gays

    Want to keep pot illegal

    Will be "pro-life"

    etc etc etc

    No... bro. It doesn't work like that.

    Actually it kinda does a little

  • I don't see my stance on social issues changes because I get older. I won't eventually think gays shouldn't be allowed to marry or not want to be seen in public with them because I'm older.

    My views on social issues won't slowly move to the conservative views of today. More liberal views will pop up with younger generations and my views now could become the conservative view