Jonathan Paul Manziel
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@mike-h said:
The Browns will not draft Sammy Watkins. I wouldn't, either. How's that?
He fuck your girlfriend?
*high fives myself
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
@mike-h said:
The Browns will not draft Sammy Watkins. I wouldn't, either. How's that?
He fuck your girlfriend?
*high fives myself
He fuck your girlfriend?
*high fives myself
YES YES YES
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@mike-h said:
The Browns will not draft Sammy Watkins. I wouldn't, either. How's that?
He fuck your girlfriend?
*high fives myself
He fuck your girlfriend?
*high fives myself
Dang it, beat me too the punch.
well played.
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@mike-h said:
The Browns will not draft Sammy Watkins. I wouldn't, either. How's that?
I can't believe you & I are in agreement, but I wouldn't draft Watkins at 4 either. I also wouldn't draft Bridgewater. I'll leave the talent evaluation to the Pros, but I wouldn't spend pick# 4 on either of those guys. Just gut feelings by me, but what the hell do I know? If THEY chose them, of course I'll support that decision. We'll see.
Mike
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@mike-h said:
The Browns will not draft Sammy Watkins. I wouldn't, either. How's that?
I can't believe you & I are in agreement, but I wouldn't draft Watkins at 4 either. I also wouldn't draft Bridgewater. I'll leave the talent evaluation to the Pros, but I wouldn't spend pick# 4 on either of those guys. Just gut feelings by me, but what the hell do I know? If THEY chose them, of course I'll support that decision. We'll see.
Mike
I can't believe you & I are in agreement, but I wouldn't draft Watkins at 4 either. I also wouldn't draft Bridgewater. I'll leave the talent evaluation to the Pros, but I wouldn't spend pick# 4 on either of those guys. Just gut feelings by me, but what the hell do I know? If THEY chose them, of course I'll support that decision. We'll see.
Mike
i think if mack is there, it's a no-brainer.
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I can't believe you & I are in agreement, but I wouldn't draft Watkins at 4 either. I also wouldn't draft Bridgewater. I'll leave the talent evaluation to the Pros, but I wouldn't spend pick# 4 on either of those guys. Just gut feelings by me, but what the hell do I know? If THEY chose them, of course I'll support that decision. We'll see.
Mike
i think if mack is there, it's a no-brainer.
i think if mack is there, it's a no-brainer.
So do I! I also think he can play EITHER ILB or OLB. To me, he's the slam dunk best player in this draft.
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
I hate bumping the thread, but saw something from the PD JF really needs to work on.
"Despite the shaky Pro Day, Bridgewater still feels worthy of the No. 1 overall pick.
"The biggest reason I feel is I’m a servant leader,'' he said. "I’m someone who wants to make everyone else around me better people, better players with nothing in return. I’m not looking for any recognition or anything like that; I’m a team player, someone that’s willing to go the extra mile, willing to come in early and go the opposite way. Not go in that locker room and try to win guys over, but win guys over by going in that film room and that offensive room and learning the playbook right away; breaking down film, showing the guys that I understand what’s going on.''
If Manziel had this kind of attitude, I'd like him a hell of a lot more.
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I hate bumping the thread, but saw something from the PD JF really needs to work on.
"Despite the shaky Pro Day, Bridgewater still feels worthy of the No. 1 overall pick.
"The biggest reason I feel is I’m a servant leader,'' he said. "I’m someone who wants to make everyone else around me better people, better players with nothing in return. I’m not looking for any recognition or anything like that; I’m a team player, someone that’s willing to go the extra mile, willing to come in early and go the opposite way. Not go in that locker room and try to win guys over, but win guys over by going in that film room and that offensive room and learning the playbook right away; breaking down film, showing the guys that I understand what’s going on.''
If Manziel had this kind of attitude, I'd like him a hell of a lot more.
I hate bumping the thread, but saw something from the PD JF really needs to work on.
"Despite the shaky Pro Day, Bridgewater still feels worthy of the No. 1 overall pick.
"The biggest reason I feel is I’m a servant leader,'' he said. "I’m someone who wants to make everyone else around me better people, better players with nothing in return. I’m not looking for any recognition or anything like that; I’m a team player, someone that’s willing to go the extra mile, willing to come in early and go the opposite way. Not go in that locker room and try to win guys over, but win guys over by going in that film room and that offensive room and learning the playbook right away; breaking down film, showing the guys that I understand what’s going on.''
If Manziel had this kind of attitude, I'd like him a hell of a lot more.
yeah, those were the questions zimmer aired publicly the other day.
is JF REALLY committed? or is it all just a show to add to his celebrity and get taken higher than he's worth.
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My concerns with Johnny are not off the field or as a leader.
In that regard, I think he is a Bret Favre ... loves having fun, but the guys in the locker room will love him because he's "cool" and one of them.
Just wish he was a little taller, thicker and possessing of a rocket arm like Favre.
Zombo
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My concerns with Johnny are not off the field or as a leader.
In that regard, I think he is a Bret Favre ... loves having fun, but the guys in the locker room will love him because he's "cool" and one of them.
Just wish he was a little taller, thicker and possessing of a rocket arm like Favre.
Zombo
Zombo said:
My concerns with Johnny are not off the field or as a leader.
In that regard, I think he is a Bret Favre ... loves having fun, but the guys in the locker room will love him because he's "cool" and one of them.
Just wish he was a little taller, thicker and possessing of a rocket arm like Favre.
Zombo
Maybe the Browns will take him just for the publicity factor. Like the Redskins when they took RGIII. All the networks wanted to talk about was RGIII, win or lose. Andrew Luck didn't get half the run as RG.
If the Browns took Manziel, they would certainly have the networks sniffing around all day and all night.
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Zombo said:
My concerns with Johnny are not off the field or as a leader.
In that regard, I think he is a Bret Favre ... loves having fun, but the guys in the locker room will love him because he's "cool" and one of them.
Just wish he was a little taller, thicker and possessing of a rocket arm like Favre.
Zombo
Maybe the Browns will take him just for the publicity factor. Like the Redskins when they took RGIII. All the networks wanted to talk about was RGIII, win or lose. Andrew Luck didn't get half the run as RG.
If the Browns took Manziel, they would certainly have the networks sniffing around all day and all night.
Maybe the Browns will take him just for the publicity factor. Like the Redskins when they took RGIII. All the networks wanted to talk about was RGIII, win or lose. Andrew Luck didn't get half the run as RG.
If the Browns took Manziel, they would certainly have the networks sniffing around all day and all night.
The Redskins took RG3 because he was the 2nd best player in the draft, behind only Luck- not because of publicity - teams do not base their draft decisions based on publicity - nothing - player, coach or Storyline will play better than the Cleveland Browns winning football games. If the Browns draft Manzel will it get them a Monday night football game? maybe...but that is hardly a reason any football team would use to draft a particular player. If the browns draft Manzel it will because they think he gives them the best chance to win.
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I hate bumping the thread, but saw something from the PD JF really needs to work on.
"Despite the shaky Pro Day, Bridgewater still feels worthy of the No. 1 overall pick.
"The biggest reason I feel is I’m a servant leader,'' he said. "I’m someone who wants to make everyone else around me better people, better players with nothing in return. I’m not looking for any recognition or anything like that; I’m a team player, someone that’s willing to go the extra mile, willing to come in early and go the opposite way. Not go in that locker room and try to win guys over, but win guys over by going in that film room and that offensive room and learning the playbook right away; breaking down film, showing the guys that I understand what’s going on.''
If Manziel had this kind of attitude, I'd like him a hell of a lot more.
I hate bumping the thread, but saw something from the PD JF really needs to work on.
"Despite the shaky Pro Day, Bridgewater still feels worthy of the No. 1 overall pick.
"The biggest reason I feel is I’m a servant leader,'' he said. "I’m someone who wants to make everyone else around me better people, better players with nothing in return. I’m not looking for any recognition or anything like that; I’m a team player, someone that’s willing to go the extra mile, willing to come in early and go the opposite way. Not go in that locker room and try to win guys over, but win guys over by going in that film room and that offensive room and learning the playbook right away; breaking down film, showing the guys that I understand what’s going on.''
If Manziel had this kind of attitude, I'd like him a hell of a lot more.
I still like Teddy B the most out of the QB's - up until the ridiculous time between the last college football game and the draft Teddy was the consensus #1 QB for the last two years. He is the only QB of the big 3 that called his own plays in a pro style offense at the line... he has the best mechanics, footwork and he did not show any sign of breaking down under pressure... if the Browns go QB at 4 and TB is there- RUN TO THE PODIUM
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So do I! I also think he can play EITHER ILB or OLB. To me, he's the slam dunk best player in this draft.
Mike
Pettine was quoted as saying he would not move Mack inside - I like Mack but if it comes down to clowney or mack - you have to go clowney- I would be happy with either.
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Zombo said:
My concerns with Johnny are not off the field or as a leader.
In that regard, I think he is a Bret Favre ... loves having fun, but the guys in the locker room will love him because he's "cool" and one of them.
Just wish he was a little taller, thicker and possessing of a rocket arm like Favre.
Zombo
Maybe the Browns will take him just for the publicity factor. Like the Redskins when they took RGIII. All the networks wanted to talk about was RGIII, win or lose. Andrew Luck didn't get half the run as RG.
If the Browns took Manziel, they would certainly have the networks sniffing around all day and all night.
Maybe the Browns will take him just for the publicity factor. Like the Redskins when they took RGIII. All the networks wanted to talk about was RGIII, win or lose. Andrew Luck didn't get half the run as RG.
If the Browns took Manziel, they would certainly have the networks sniffing around all day and all night.
the team that takes JF will have to live with the publicity factor- it's going to be RG III squared. -
Maybe the Browns will take him just for the publicity factor. Like the Redskins when they took RGIII. All the networks wanted to talk about was RGIII, win or lose. Andrew Luck didn't get half the run as RG.
If the Browns took Manziel, they would certainly have the networks sniffing around all day and all night.
The Redskins took RG3 because he was the 2nd best player in the draft, behind only Luck- not because of publicity - teams do not base their draft decisions based on publicity - nothing - player, coach or Storyline will play better than the Cleveland Browns winning football games. If the Browns draft Manzel will it get them a Monday night football game? maybe...but that is hardly a reason any football team would use to draft a particular player. If the browns draft Manzel it will because they think he gives them the best chance to win.
The Redskins took RG3 because he was the 2nd best player in the draft, behind only Luck- not because of publicity - teams do not base their draft decisions based on publicity - nothing - player, coach or Storyline will play better than the Cleveland Browns winning football games. If the Browns draft Manzel will it get them a Monday night football game? maybe...but that is hardly a reason any football team would use to draft a particular player. If the browns draft Manzel it will because they think he gives them the best chance to win.
Uh huh. Yea. Sure. Keep thinking Butch. In the end football is a business. Teams will do what they can do to make the most money. If they can't get money by winning, in the mean time, they will try to get the most attention for themselves that they can get.
The Dallas Cowboys make all their money on image at this point. They haven't been winners in 20 years.
So, image DOES count.
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The Redskins took RG3 because he was the 2nd best player in the draft, behind only Luck- not because of publicity - teams do not base their draft decisions based on publicity - nothing - player, coach or Storyline will play better than the Cleveland Browns winning football games. If the Browns draft Manzel will it get them a Monday night football game? maybe...but that is hardly a reason any football team would use to draft a particular player. If the browns draft Manzel it will because they think he gives them the best chance to win.
Uh huh. Yea. Sure. Keep thinking Butch. In the end football is a business. Teams will do what they can do to make the most money. If they can't get money by winning, in the mean time, they will try to get the most attention for themselves that they can get.
The Dallas Cowboys make all their money on image at this point. They haven't been winners in 20 years.
So, image DOES count.
Uh huh. Yea. Sure. Keep thinking Butch. In the end football is a business. Teams will do what they can do to make the most money. If they can't get money by winning, in the mean time, they will try to get the most attention for themselves that they can get.
The Dallas Cowboys make all their money on image at this point. They haven't been winners in 20 years.
So, image DOES count.
Image absolutely counts but to say that Farmer and company are sitting in a war room thinking "well we really think player X is a better player than player Y but player Y would sell more jerseys so lets draft him instead" is ridiculous...
Tim Tebow can not find a job in the NFL...case closed.
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I hate bumping the thread, but saw something from the PD JF really needs to work on.
"Despite the shaky Pro Day, Bridgewater still feels worthy of the No. 1 overall pick.
"The biggest reason I feel is I’m a servant leader,'' he said. "I’m someone who wants to make everyone else around me better people, better players with nothing in return. I’m not looking for any recognition or anything like that; I’m a team player, someone that’s willing to go the extra mile, willing to come in early and go the opposite way. Not go in that locker room and try to win guys over, but win guys over by going in that film room and that offensive room and learning the playbook right away; breaking down film, showing the guys that I understand what’s going on.''
If Manziel had this kind of attitude, I'd like him a hell of a lot more.
I still like Teddy B the most out of the QB's - up until the ridiculous time between the last college football game and the draft Teddy was the consensus #1 QB for the last two years. He is the only QB of the big 3 that called his own plays in a pro style offense at the line... he has the best mechanics, footwork and he did not show any sign of breaking down under pressure... if the Browns go QB at 4 and TB is there- RUN TO THE PODIUM
I still like Teddy B the most out of the QB's - up until the ridiculous time between the last college football game and the draft Teddy was the consensus #1 QB for the last two years. He is the only QB of the big 3 that called his own plays in a pro style offense at the line... he has the best mechanics, footwork and he did not show any sign of breaking down under pressure... if the Browns go QB at 4 and TB is there- RUN TO THE PODIUM
But he wears a glove on his throwing hand, and reportedly looked pretty inaccurate in his pro day without it... Plus, it's a different football in size and shape. Small hand size is a problem in the pros especially when the weather changes in Nov-Dec... Can "the glove" get it done in Cleveland?? He did pretty well in college, so only time would tell.
#Justsayin' -
Uh huh. Yea. Sure. Keep thinking Butch. In the end football is a business. Teams will do what they can do to make the most money. If they can't get money by winning, in the mean time, they will try to get the most attention for themselves that they can get.
The Dallas Cowboys make all their money on image at this point. They haven't been winners in 20 years.
So, image DOES count.
Image absolutely counts but to say that Farmer and company are sitting in a war room thinking "well we really think player X is a better player than player Y but player Y would sell more jerseys so lets draft him instead" is ridiculous...
Tim Tebow can not find a job in the NFL...case closed.
Tim Tebow can not find a job in the NFL...case closed.
yeah i think that pretty much says it all.
i think JF will be a better QB than tebow, but who cares about image.
start winning games and we'll get those sunday night and monday night games.
btw, haden will be on NFL network AGAIN tonite at 8pm. that makes like 3 times in a month that a browns player has been on this show. gordon was on last week and haden did play by play with the CB combine. smooth as butter.
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I still like Teddy B the most out of the QB's - up until the ridiculous time between the last college football game and the draft Teddy was the consensus #1 QB for the last two years. He is the only QB of the big 3 that called his own plays in a pro style offense at the line... he has the best mechanics, footwork and he did not show any sign of breaking down under pressure... if the Browns go QB at 4 and TB is there- RUN TO THE PODIUM
But he wears a glove on his throwing hand, and reportedly looked pretty inaccurate in his pro day without it... Plus, it's a different football in size and shape. Small hand size is a problem in the pros especially when the weather changes in Nov-Dec... Can "the glove" get it done in Cleveland?? He did pretty well in college, so only time would tell.
But he wears a glove on his throwing hand, and reportedly looked pretty inaccurate in his pro day without it... Plus, it's a different football in size and shape. Small hand size is a problem in the pros especially when the weather changes in Nov-Dec... Can "the glove" get it done in Cleveland?? He did pretty well in college, so only time would tell.
we'll see when minnesota comes to play in cleveland.
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I still like Teddy B the most out of the QB's - up until the ridiculous time between the last college football game and the draft Teddy was the consensus #1 QB for the last two years. He is the only QB of the big 3 that called his own plays in a pro style offense at the line... he has the best mechanics, footwork and he did not show any sign of breaking down under pressure... if the Browns go QB at 4 and TB is there- RUN TO THE PODIUM
But he wears a glove on his throwing hand, and reportedly looked pretty inaccurate in his pro day without it... Plus, it's a different football in size and shape. Small hand size is a problem in the pros especially when the weather changes in Nov-Dec... Can "the glove" get it done in Cleveland?? He did pretty well in college, so only time would tell.
But he wears a glove on his throwing hand, and reportedly looked pretty inaccurate in his pro day without it... Plus, it's a different football in size and shape. Small hand size is a problem in the pros especially when the weather changes in Nov-Dec... Can "the glove" get it done in Cleveland?? He did pretty well in college, so only time would tell.
He does wear a glove....and he did have a bad pro day -Does he have smaller hands than Johnny Manzel and Blake Bortles...yes.. I am not sure what the cut off is for having small hands is, but Teddy's are 9 1/4 inch hands
Gloves: if they help wear them if they take away - don't wear them... for everyone who says the greats don't need to there are examples like Kurt Warner, Brady, Manning even Big Ben who have worn them...
Hand size is the "prisoner of the moment" stat of the year: Hoyer has 9 1/2 inch hands,Colin Kapernick has 9 inches, Vick 8 1/2 inch..oh and Weeden had 9 3/5 inches, Couch 9 7/8 inches, Brees has 10'1 inch hands - the proving future success with past success/failures of other people can go either way.
My point of all this is to say that there are always examples of people who have done this or done that with these measurements/stats/preferences or those ...but what really matters IMO is when a QB can demonstrate on film that he can read a defense, make good decisions and can physically make the throws to win a game - IMO Teddy does those things better than anyone in the draft and it is not close.
Bortles is a measurement guy who wasn't asked to read defenses or call audibles (not saying he couldn't) - Manzel is a swag guy who was really exciting to watch especially in broken plays...but those broken plays were often the result of him not checking down or hitting the open receiver... Teddy is an offensive coordinator playing QB type of guy...in fact he called the majority of Lousiville's plays this year from the line... I'll take Teddy over Manzel/Bortles all day.
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