Wait for WR until the 3rd round
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1st - great board. Just found this place (also the first time I really looked
)...hopefully this can sustain me until the draft.I've been coming up with mocks much like everyone else, but recently nailed down one I really like, but would drop the priority on a WR this year to the 3rd round, with higher priority in later years if he doesn't produce. I didn't see a thread strictly for mocks anywhere so I'm gonna throw this here. What do you all think?
1(04): Mack, OLB - I'm hoping this guy is there at 4. Mingo didn't impress last year butI can see Pettine flipping his switch. He's still developing, and if he makes an improvement over the next couple years I think he'll have his side locked down. Kruger isn't getting any younger, and Mack is the type of player that could give us a solid 1-2 punch with Mingo on the other side.
1(26): Garoppolo or better, QB - Someone will be there at 26 and I don't think the number 4 pick is worthy of any of these QBs. I'd rather miss on all the top 5 and sell out next year for our guy than to reach this year and set other positions back.
1(31): Shazier, ILB - Give up a 4th rounder and 5th/6th rounder move up a couple spots and trade with the Broncos. Could nearly complete a linebacker corps of very young tallent. Would look to replace Dansby in a couple years. I would be down with Christian Jones later in the draft. I think there's a huge ceiling on that guy, but he'll never match Shazier's speed, and that's going to be huge in coverage.
3(07): Donte Moncrief, WR - 6'2'', 4.40 40-yard time...continues to improve his game, especially those ball hawking skills, and can take the top off the D. His speed with Gordon and Hawking/Benjamin would be nuts. I'd take this guy here all day. Projected as a solid no. 2 receiver with no. 1 potential. Drafting for ceiling versus those who have already hit theres.
3(19): Antonio Richardson, OT: Injury concerns but would provide a solid RT prospect.
4(04): Traded to the Broncos
4(27): Charles Simms, RB: About any running back.
5(05): Traded to the Broncos
6(04): Donte Johnson, CB/FS: Athletic, 6'2'', 4.45 40. Played safety and corner his last year. Very good potential to see a starting role in 2015. Bring him in to compete with both Gipson and Skrine. As much as I would like to see him as a shut down corner (doubt he would ever be) I would rather see him as our free safety. Above average speed AND height at that position. He would do wonders in preventing the deep ball.
7(03): A QB...
The other version of this has Verrett at 2(03) with no trade up, Christian Jones in the 4th, Dakota Dozier in the 4th, David Fales in the 5th, and De'Anthony Thomas in the 7th. I just don't see any corners availble in the 2nd round being shut down corners. Lots of zone prospects in this years draft.
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1st - great board. Just found this place (also the first time I really looked
)...hopefully this can sustain me until the draft.I've been coming up with mocks much like everyone else, but recently nailed down one I really like, but would drop the priority on a WR this year to the 3rd round, with higher priority in later years if he doesn't produce. I didn't see a thread strictly for mocks anywhere so I'm gonna throw this here. What do you all think?
1(04): Mack, OLB - I'm hoping this guy is there at 4. Mingo didn't impress last year butI can see Pettine flipping his switch. He's still developing, and if he makes an improvement over the next couple years I think he'll have his side locked down. Kruger isn't getting any younger, and Mack is the type of player that could give us a solid 1-2 punch with Mingo on the other side.
1(26): Garoppolo or better, QB - Someone will be there at 26 and I don't think the number 4 pick is worthy of any of these QBs. I'd rather miss on all the top 5 and sell out next year for our guy than to reach this year and set other positions back.
1(31): Shazier, ILB - Give up a 4th rounder and 5th/6th rounder move up a couple spots and trade with the Broncos. Could nearly complete a linebacker corps of very young tallent. Would look to replace Dansby in a couple years. I would be down with Christian Jones later in the draft. I think there's a huge ceiling on that guy, but he'll never match Shazier's speed, and that's going to be huge in coverage.
3(07): Donte Moncrief, WR - 6'2'', 4.40 40-yard time...continues to improve his game, especially those ball hawking skills, and can take the top off the D. His speed with Gordon and Hawking/Benjamin would be nuts. I'd take this guy here all day. Projected as a solid no. 2 receiver with no. 1 potential. Drafting for ceiling versus those who have already hit theres.
3(19): Antonio Richardson, OT: Injury concerns but would provide a solid RT prospect.
4(04): Traded to the Broncos
4(27): Charles Simms, RB: About any running back.
5(05): Traded to the Broncos
6(04): Donte Johnson, CB/FS: Athletic, 6'2'', 4.45 40. Played safety and corner his last year. Very good potential to see a starting role in 2015. Bring him in to compete with both Gipson and Skrine. As much as I would like to see him as a shut down corner (doubt he would ever be) I would rather see him as our free safety. Above average speed AND height at that position. He would do wonders in preventing the deep ball.
7(03): A QB...
The other version of this has Verrett at 2(03) with no trade up, Christian Jones in the 4th, Dakota Dozier in the 4th, David Fales in the 5th, and De'Anthony Thomas in the 7th. I just don't see any corners availble in the 2nd round being shut down corners. Lots of zone prospects in this years draft.
1st - great board. Just found this place (also the first time I really look
)...hopefully this can sustain me until the draft.I've been coming up with mocks much like everyone else, but recently nailed down one I really like, but would drop the priority on a WR this year to the 3rd round, with higher priority in later years if he doesn't produce. I didn't see a thread strictly for mocks anywhere so I'm gonna throw this here. Wha do you all think?
1(04): Mack, OLB - I'm hoping this guy is there at 4. Mingo didn't impress last year butI can see Pettine flipping his switch. He's still developing, and if he makes an improvement over the next couple years I think he'll have his side locked down. Kruger isn't getting any younger, and Mack is the type of player that could give us a solid 1-2 punch with Mingo on the other side.
I really dont see us taking either of the OLB's. IMO thats our deepest position. Look for a T, WR, or trade down to 6 or 7.
1(26): Garoppolo or better, QB - Someone will be there at 26 and I don't think the number 4 pick is worthy of any of these QBs. I'd rather miss on all the top 5 and sell out next year for our guy than to reach this year and set other positions back.
26 is definitely where I see us going QB, but only if one of the top 4 are available here. Too early for Garropollo imo. I also think a trade up from here is pissible if our favorite QB slips.
1(31): Shazier, ILB - Give up a 4th rounder and 5th/6th rounder move up a couple spots and trade with the Broncos. Could nearly complete a linebacker corps of very young tallent. Would look to replace Dansby in a couple years. I would be down with Christian Jones later in the draft. I think there's a huge ceiling on that guy, but he'll never match Shazier's speed, and that's going to be huge in coverage.
I dont see Shazier as a great LB in a 3-4. I love Jordan Tripp in the third round, I think our second rounder is a perfect spot for a CB, and we should have our choice of 3-4 deserving prospects.
3(07): Donte Moncrief, WR - 6'2'', 4.40 40-yard time...continues to improve his game, especially those ball hawking skills, and can take the top off the D. His speed with Gordon and Hawking/Benjamin would be nuts. I'd take this guy here all day. Projected as a solid no. 2 receiver with no. 1 potential. Drafting for ceiling versus those who have already hit theres.
3(19): Antonio Richardson, OT: Injury concerns but would provide a solid RT prospect.
4(04): Traded to the Broncos
4(27): Charles Simms, RB: About any running back.
I like this guy though.
5(05): Traded to the Broncos
6(04): Donte Johnson, CB/FS: Athletic, 6'2'', 4.45 40. Played safety and corner his last year. Very good potential to see a starting role in 2015. Bring him in to compete with both Gipson and Skrine. As much as I would like to see him as a shut down corner (doubt he would ever be) I would rather see him as our free safety. Above average speed AND height at that position. He would do wonders in preventing the deep ball.
7(03): A QB...
The other version of this has Verrett at 2(03) with no trade down, Christian Jones in the 4th, Dakota Dozier in the 4th, David Fales in the 5th, and De'Anthony Thomas in the 7th. I just don't see any corners availble in the 2nd round being shut down corners. Lots of zone prospects in this years draft.
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3 first round picks? That would be nice....but totally not plausible.
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3 first round picks? That would be nice....but totally not plausible.
I think its very plausible we end up with 3 of the first 26.3 first round picks? That would be nice....but totally not plausible.
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I think its very plausible we end up with 3 of the first 26.3 first round picks? That would be nice....but totally not plausible.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I think its very plausible we end up with 3 of the first 26.
why draft both mack and shazier though?
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if we wait until the 6th round to address CB i'll fucking throw a beer through my window.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I think its very plausible we end up with 3 of the first 26.
why draft both mack and shazier though?
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I already said I wouldnt draft Shazier and that I doubt we pick a OLB at 4. Mack is still a possibility because he can play everywhere. My bet is we trade down if Mack or Clowney is available.
no i was talking to the OP.
all these different mocks from different sites, with different scenarios is all just crazy.
when it happens, it happens.
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I think its very plausible we end up with 3 of the first 26.3 first round picks? That would be nice....but totally not plausible.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I think its very plausible we end up with 3 of the first 26.
I'd love to know why or how.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
How much realistically, do you think it would cost to move from 35 to 22 or so? Our extra third and fourth would probably do it....
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I think its very plausible we end up with 3 of the first 26.
I'd love to know why or how.
cant say why, depends on who theyre targeting. Just saying it could happen, easily.I'd love to know why or how.
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cant say why, depends on who theyre targeting. Just saying it could happen, easily.I'd love to know why or how.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
cant say why, depends on who theyre targeting. Just saying it could happen, easily.
I do not think "easily" means what you think it means.
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Depends on how youre using it. All im saying is that its far from impossible. Improbable, maybe....
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Depends on how youre using it. All im saying is that its far from impossible. Improbable, maybe....
It's certainly possible, just unlikely. Thanks to Dan Snyder, the going price of first round picks is through the roof.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
On my phone so quoting all posts im responding to is a no go. For the first 3 rounders...the Pats are a team, for example, who love to trade down. Its something you expect every year. From 35 to 29 would likely cost our 3rd, maybe our 5th. Theres a point system for picks. Look one up if you havent seen one. Pretty interesting. Walterfootball has one thats easy to read. Low first rounders and high second rounders are not far off in value.
I saw one of you mention mocks, hows theres a ton of them...its true, and none matter, but I like looking at all 7 rounds worth of prospects and debating picks for each. Rather than a thread dedicated to one player or position, I like a full team approach. A mock brings that out.
Why take Mack and Shazier? Mack is obvious...the most sacks by a single player last year was 5.5 - pretty sad. Shazier is a transition pick. I want him beside Dansby. He ran a 4.36 40 at his pro day, has a 42in vertical, is good in coverage and can tackle. The only knock on him is size. You can build size once you're paid to train year around. You cant, though, teach the speed that he has. Even without size, I start him beside Dansby. In 2 years with size and experience in our scheme, he could be a top 5 ILB. Heck, I would downgrade the QB pick to pick 35 to land Mack and Shazier with no trade up.
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And after all that, ive changed my approach a bit. I want Gilber to start across from Haden. I think the improvement on D from 2 solid corners would be greater than the improvement from adding Mack at OLB. Plus, you're more likely to find an solid OLB in future drafts than to find a corner who can play press man. Like this draft...all I see after Gilbert are zone CBs that you hope can transition to a solid man CB. Plus, Gilbers 6ft, height we need.
So, would you pass on Watkins and Mack to trade down (if its there) to 8 or 10 and grab Gilbert, then Shazier at 26 (for above explanation), QB at 35, then Hyde or a WR with the second 2nd round pick (trade up in 2nd if needed to land our guy)?
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How much realistically, do you think it would cost to move from 35 to 22 or so? Our extra third and fourth would probably do it....
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
How much realistically, do you think it would cost to move from 35 to 22 or so? Our extra third and fourth would probably do it....
Brady Quinn = our second, and next year's first. That's what it cost to move up that high. That was a dumb trade. OTOH, realistically, it's our second, top third and next years second. Still interested?
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Typical browns board thread... a draft that doesn't consist of any STUD player. All will be duds. Imagine that.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Depends on how youre using it. All im saying is that its far from impossible. Improbable, maybe....
It's certainly possible, just unlikely. Thanks to Dan Snyder, the going price of first round picks is through the roof.
not really, word is, everyone wants to trade down this year. And the price of the #22 pick would be nothing compared to the #2 pick and the highly rated RG3. There was a bidding war for that pick, which is why the price skyrocketed.It's certainly possible, just unlikely. Thanks to Dan Snyder, the going price of first round picks is through the roof.
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