Browns #4 pick.. take it to the bank
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They can get a bookend tackle in the third.
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They can get a bookend tackle in the third.
They can get a bookend tackle in the third.
word.
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http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/US+Sports/NFL/AFC+North/Cleveland+Browns
Derek Carr with pick 4 ?
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Are we trading Joe Thomas? Otherwise, hell no to spending the 4th pick in the draft on a RT. Only in Cleveland does a large portion of the fan base seem to think you need five first round draft picks on the OL. Seattle had a practice squad pickup, and a 6th rounder starting last year.
Schwartz is a young player that improved as the year went on, especially after he didn't have to play next to O'Neil Cousins. He is at minimum a servicable RT and there is good reason to think he can improve.
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Are we trading Joe Thomas? Otherwise, hell no to spending the 4th pick in the draft on a RT. Only in Cleveland does a large portion of the fan base seem to think you need five first round draft picks on the OL. Seattle had a practice squad pickup, and a 6th rounder starting last year.
Schwartz is a young player that improved as the year went on, especially after he didn't have to play next to O'Neil Cousins. He is at minimum a servicable RT and there is good reason to think he can improve.
Are we trading Joe Thomas? Otherwise, hell no to spending the 4th pick in the draft on a RT. Only in Cleveland does a large portion of the fan base seem to think you need five first round draft picks on the OL. Seattle had a practice squad pickup, and a 6th rounder starting last year.
Schwartz is a young player that improved as the year went on, especially after he didn't have to play next to O'Neil Cousins. He is at minimum a servicable RT and there is good reason to think he can improve.
Agreed. A productive OL needs to function as a cohesive UNIT with all parts of that unit buying into the system. Individual "star power" doesn't necessarily guarantee teamwork.
Mike
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We need to STOP using 1st round picks on the offensive line. It makes sense to use a top half 1st round pick on a LT IF you need one, which we don't, and it makes sense to get a talented guy who plays any of the other 4 position areas in the back half of the first if said player falls to you, but at the moment we have 2 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick tied up in our offensive line... and it hasn't done shit for our team. Teams that are good use their first rounders on skill players and then develop 2nd - UDFA linemen into starters. Last thing I want to see is to have top top 5 pick tackles on our team for the next 2-3 years. Now if someone good at tackle or guard falls to us at #26, then pick him up. That's just good value if you can get a top 16 talent in the back half of the 1st. But why 1: Spend the #4 pick on a RT who you hope will replace Thomas in 3 years when we need someone who can contribute now and 2: spend any pick on a RT with hopes to moving Schwartz to guard where he has never played. At LEAST draft someone who has played or is projected to play guard instead of taking a RT with hopes that your 3rd year player can switch positions. Call me crazy but I see us getting better play out of our line if we draft a guard and keep having Schwartz work where he has worked before than if we draft a tackle and make Schwartz learn a new position. We would essentially have two rookie starters on the oline.
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My ideal scenario is to trade down and pick up a shut down corner opposite Haden ....then take QB like Carr if still there at 26 ...then 2nd round go WR and OG (extra pick via trade ) and then depending on what Mack does C and RB in the 3rd ....
Dennard or Gilbert
Carr
Benjamin or Bryant
Yankey or Gabe Jackson
Richburg or Swanson
Mason or Seastrunk
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You don't draft a RT that early in the draft... unless you're the Jaguars. Do you want to be the Jaguars?
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I agree that it's preferable to not draft a RT
so high.
But my point was, we don't have a guy to play at LT.
No backup there. I wouldn't want Swartz at LT, so...
you'd have to draft high to get a guy who could fill in
at LT if he ever had to.
This draft is nuts to figure out, far worse than other years.
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They can get a bookend tackle in the third.
They can get a bookend tackle in the third.
Yup. We do need to pick up an OG- somewhere.
Agreed. A productive OL needs to function as a cohesive UNIT with all parts of that unit buying into the system. Individual "star power" doesn't necessarily guarantee teamwork.
Mike
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@mike-h said:
Very good, analytical piece on why drafting "elite" OL at the top of the draft is a mistake.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2019051-2014-nfl-draft-why-offensive-linemen-are-valued-high
Riddle was a former NFL player, and a heck of an analyst at B/R now. He interviewed Ted Sundquist, the former GM of the Broncos for this article.
Cal, it's nuts to spend the #4 overall on an insurance policy should Thomas get hurt, and stick him at RT. This draft is loaded with playmakers- guys who will have far more impact on the Browns W-L record than a RT ever would. I'd say it's 99.99% certain the Browns first pick will not be on o-line.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only time I can remember a team having a total stud OL- and have it work out was the Titans when they made their SB run.
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tick tock.
32 days.
i think A LOT of people will be surprised by what our FO will do, some not so much.
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tick tock.
32 days.
i think A LOT of people will be surprised by what our FO will do, some not so much.
tick tock.
32 days.
i think A LOT of people will be surprised by what our FO will do, some not so much.
Johnny Football has already purchased a home in Strongsville.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
JF is mobile enough to play RT, but.....
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Johnny Football has already purchased a home in Strongsville.
Actually, LeBron has a whole wing of his house in Bath that he is going to let Johnny sublet.
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With the signing of Burleson we're now setup to take the BPA. I wouldn't be shouting if they took Robinson. We have arguably the best LT in the game, adding a guy that could become the best RT in the game and also move over to LT if needed is invaluable. Our offensive line has sucked ass for so long it would be nice to see our QB's not have to run for their lives on every down. And also get some push in our running game. Would be nice. That being said...if Clowney is there at #4, kind of have to take him. If Mack is there you have to take him IF and only IF Pettine thinks this kid has the brains to move to ILB and eventually captain the team.
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Bortles. If Bortles isn't available, start over. Then take Bortles.
That's how I do it in Madden.
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I think that is true though and something everybody needs to remember. There is no such thing as a conclusive slots, tiers or rounds that players "should" go in. If a team likes a player and MUST have that player to fit their vision going forward, you can't sit around and wait for a player to go in his place. If you really want a player, rounds and slotting be damned, you take that player.
I think that's what we should do anyways.
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Bortles. If Bortles isn't available, start over. Then take Bortles.
That's how I do it in Madden.
Bortles. If Bortles isn't available, start over. Then take Bortles.
That's how I do it in Madden.
Lol. I actually laughed out loud at this, perfect.
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