Jonathan Paul Manziel
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which is why they shouldn't take a QB at 4....none of them are ready to play outta the gate, if one feels they should start outta principle (which I highly disagree with).If we take Manziel it will make it almost impossible for Hoyer to be the starter... While many of us would understand the concept of sitting Manziel for a year - I can't say the same for Joe Blow casual fan.
That said... if we take a QB at #4 I think you need to start him regardless of who it is (Bortles, Manziel, Carr, etc) out of principle. Otherwise it is a waste of a pick on an immediate starter.
I disagree with that fully. There is no head coach who has ever preferred to start a rookie QB, regardless of draft position. Play the best option on the roster. If thats Hoyer, so be it. Ignore the pressure to play him, and focus on getting him ready to play.which is why they shouldn't take a QB at 4....none of them are ready to play outta the gate, if one feels they should start outta principle (which I highly disagree with).
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I think a QB should be taken with the 2nd 1st rounder whether it's 26 or we trade up. I like Mike Evans, Khalil Mack, Watkins, and of course if we took Teddy I would not be that mad.
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I'm going to cheer for every single freakin draft pick Farmer and Pettine and co. make.
At least for the first 3 or 4 rounds...
Btw, I'll bet I can't take my newly found FROSTIE ROOTBEER (Thanks to Canton Mike for the info)...
into the draft party.
Well, I'm just going to call them tomorrow about having at least some kind of root beer at the
draft party, because Canton Mike is holding me to my promise about putting some of his beer
in my rootbeer and drinking it all.
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I don't understand what amazing talent people see in Johnny Douchebag. What have you seen on the field that is just so much better than other QBs?/
Yeah, he runs around and buys time. Yeah, he has "moxy" (he's an arrogant prick). What else exactly?
Mike Evans made JF
I think the fact that he finds ways to win football games. I see why people like him, I am on the fence about him. I think he will either be a big time bust or big time star, wont be any middle ground with him.
@walterwhite said:
If he's available. On his twitter.
Good Lord, my fingers are crossed.
Gee, you're behind the times WW- They've only had Johnny Scramble going to the Browns for the last 10 days or so. And if it makes you feel even better, so has Walter Football. Better put on one of those man-diapers Thursday so you don't make a mess when you cream your pants should the Browns actually take him.
@mike-h said:
Get ready for two years at least of nothing but Manziel talk.
That will be regardless of which team takes him Mike. It's one of the reasons I don't want the Johnny Circus in Cleveland- gonna be one huge distraction. LOL, you actually think Manziel is going to tell ESPN and NFLN to get lost?
I think the fact that he finds ways to win football games. I see why people like him, I am on the fence about him. I think he will either be a big time bust or big time star, wont be any middle ground with him.
Yup, I understand why people like him- and real easy to see why a bunch of people don't.
So you are on record is claiming Johnny football (should we draft him) will be the best quarterback since the Browns returned to the league.
Further that if we don't take him we will be relegated to the cellar for many more years.
Strong words Mike.
WSS
I iz in the process of composing a song Steve. the young 'uns won't remember Shelly Fabares 1962 #1 hit "Johnny Angel" but you certainly do. To the tune of that- "Johnny Football, how I hate you, It's your antics that I just don't trust. And you're going to be a big time bust."
If we take Manziel it will make it almost impossible for Hoyer to be the starter... While many of us would understand the concept of sitting Manziel for a year - I can't say the same for Joe Blow casual fan.
That said... if we take a QB at #4 I think you need to start him regardless of who it is (Bortles, Manziel, Carr, etc) out of principle. Otherwise it is a waste of a pick on an immediate starter.
You'll see the Manziel humpers screaming for JF the first time Hoyer throws a pick.
If we see Manziel get picked at #4, it is going to be because Haslam does what he has promised not to do and that is pull rank on the guy he hired to run the team.
I would hope not, but you can't discount the possibility.
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I iz in the process of composing a song Steve. the young 'uns won't remember Shelly Fabares #1 hit "Johnny Angel" but you certainly do. To the tune of that- "Johnny Football, how I hate you, It's your antics that I just don't trust. And you're going to be a big time bust." Mr. Hoorta
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That was a good old song.
I heard that Johnny Football was going to refuse to sign with the Browns if they drafted him,
until he found out about Racino....
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Any rookie QB we take shouldn't be the starter immediately. Let him sit and learn first. You don't want to put him out there too early and break him.
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I don't understand what amazing talent people see in Johnny Douchebag. What have you seen on the field that is just so much better than other QBs?/
Yeah, he runs around and buys time. Yeah, he has "moxy" (he's an arrogant prick). What else exactly?
Mike Evans made JF
I don't understand what amazing talent people see in Johnny Douchebag. What have you seen on the field that is just so much better than other QBs?/
Yeah, he runs around and buys time. Yeah, he has "moxy" (he's an arrogant prick). What else exactly?
Mike Evans made JF
Who is better? Mike Evans or Josh Gordon?
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
On a related subject, what time does everyone plan to start drinking on Thursday?
I'm off on Friday, so I plan on breaking the seal on a bottle of Myers' rum no later than 5:15pm.
I realize I'll be getting a late start (yes Mik, I'm looking at you) so I'll have to supplement my
alcohol intake with various natural substances to get the proper party face in place for the draft.
Our pick should come up at 9:00 and I'll be looking forward to many a drunken rant from my
fellow Browns board members. Cheers, everyone!
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I have some Breckenridge Vanilla Porter and Boulder Choc Shake Porter chilling for Thursday .....Friday will get something else .....
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On a related subject, what time does everyone plan to start drinking on Thursday?
I'm off on Friday, so I plan on breaking the seal on a bottle of Myers' rum no later than 5:15pm.
I realize I'll be getting a late start (yes Mik, I'm looking at you) so I'll have to supplement my
alcohol intake with various natural substances to get the proper party face in place for the draft.
Our pick should come up at 9:00 and I'll be looking forward to many a drunken rant from my
fellow Browns board members. Cheers, everyone!
On a related subject, what time does everyone plan to start drinking on Thursday?
I'm off on Friday, so I plan on breaking the seal on a bottle of Myers' rum no later than 5:15pm.
I realize I'll be getting a late start (yes Mik, I'm looking at you) so I'll have to supplement my
alcohol intake with various natural substances to get the proper party face in place for the draft.
Our pick should come up at 9:00 and I'll be looking forward to many a drunken rant from my
fellow Browns board members. Cheers, everyone!
meyers' is my fave dark rum. quite a bite to it. but not as bad as some of the other's like gosling and appleton.
i think i'm going to start with a couple of cold ones in late afternoon and break out the stoli around 7 and have a couple of pops. don't want to be shit-faced when they call out manziel at pick 4. i want to know exactly what i was doing and where i was at when that little shit burger event changes the face of browns football to a three ring circus.
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@mike-h said:
Um.... I said Manziel has the ability to be a good NFL QB, and the Browns haven't had one of those in 'forever' -- hyperbole, sorry. So nowhere did I say anything close to what you thought.
And yes, I think if they draft Derek Carr or Garoppolo, they are making a mistake and it would lead to more poor finishes in the AFCN.
I'm not calling you on hyperbole. As a matter of fact I only specified the years since the team has returned.
Anyway we will find out in a couple days and for sure in a year or two when hundreds of people who get paid huge amounts of money will have either guessed correctly or look like chumps.
WSS
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Who did Calvin Johnson make?
No one cuz he was in GT's offense, lol. Though he still produced.
The "Mike Evans made JF" thing is pretty much tongue in cheek. But if you watch some highlight/film on JF, you see Evans coming down with great catches in coverage that JF just threw up for grabs. He helped make him look better.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Who did Calvin Johnson make?
No one cuz he was in GT's offense, lol. Though he still produced.
The "Mike Evans made JF" thing is pretty much tongue in cheek. But if you watch some highlight/film on JF, you see Evans coming down with great catches in coverage that JF just threw up for grabs. He helped make him look better.
isnt that his job? If you watch film instead of highlights you'd know those balls he "threw up for grabs" mostly came on third and longs, and he was punting if he didnt make a play. Is it a bad thing that he took advantage of his 6'5 reciever? Hes pretty smart with the football.No one cuz he was in GT's offense, lol. Though he still produced.
The "Mike Evans made JF" thing is pretty much tongue in cheek. But if you watch some highlight/film on JF, you see Evans coming down with great catches in coverage that JF just threw up for grabs. He helped make him look better.
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I love how polarizing Johnny Douchebag is. You either love him, or hate him.
More of us hate him, but those that love him are louder about it.
He is Hillary Clinton
He is Hillary Clinton
I guess that means the Browns get Johnny Football, and we all get Hillary for President then.
So it is written, so it shall be: Ramses, Pharoah of Egypt.
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I don't understand what amazing talent people see in Johnny Douchebag. What have you seen on the field that is just so much better than other QBs?/
Yeah, he runs around and buys time. Yeah, he has "moxy" (he's an arrogant prick). What else exactly?
Mike Evans made JF
Who is better? Mike Evans or Josh Gordon?
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Right now? Obviously Gordon.
Pretty sure the point here was that if Mike Evans can make Johnny Football look as good as he does, Gordon can make him look just as good, if not better.
I'm not worried about "Mike Evans made JF" when we have guys like Gordon and Cameron on the roster. I'm more worried about whether or not JF can dial back the scrambling and trying to fight for extra yards while still keeping the intensity and leadership on the field.
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@walterwhite said:
Blah Blah Blah, that's the most chicken shit tip toe on eggshell pussy nonsense I've ever heard.
signed,
Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, etc.
You start the best QB on the roster, regardless if it's a rookie or not.
Yes, and there is a list of QBs that sat originally and then played very well. There is also a list of QBs that started immediately and failed.
I don't believe the best QB on the roster come week one will be the rookie. I also think you risk messing the guy up if you start him too soon.
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I would be so pissed at 4.
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