Jonathan Paul Manziel

MLD Woody

Tim Tebow?

Harry Buffalo

I'm sticking by an earlier statement that if we take Johnny Manziel at #4, it is because Haslam pulls the owner card and does what he has promised all he wouldn't do and that is pull rank over the guys he hired to run the team. I'm sure Farmer does like Manziel, but I don't think he likes him at #4 and I don't even think he is Farmers highest rated QB.

choco

If he lasts till 26, take him by all means. But not at the cost of a blue chipper at 4.

No QB is worthy of 4 this year. Don't care if we haven't had a QB for umpteen years.

Momszer

Gipper would you care if it was this Derek?

Flyin J

If Manziel was 2 inches taller hed be the unanimous first pick. If Manziel was black he'd be the unanimous first pick. Let that sink in for a second.

miktoxic

XxDaBuckeyexX said:
If Manziel was 2 inches taller hed be the unanimous first pick. If Manziel was black he'd be the unanimous first pick. Let that sink in for a second.

maybe the 2 inches taller part. i'd say 3-4 inches and maybe 25 more pounds.

the thought that if he were black he'd be the #1 pick is absurd.

2 days away and people are fucking going crazy.

SCDawg82

XxDaBuckeyexX said:
If Manziel was 2 inches taller hed be the unanimous first pick. If Manziel was black he'd be the unanimous first pick. Let that sink in for a second.

Well....I think if..

Wes welker

Zach Thomas

Jordan Shipley

Chris Borland

Weren't white they'd been taken higher. I don't get that feeling about Manziel. I think his height yes and his style of play do effect people wearyness.

That is a problem I have seen all my life that no one seems to care about, but for Johnny Football, Nah. I'd like to see us take him, just not at #4.

PlaygroundLegend

@choco said:

A good majority of that crap was fan boi blind love.

Just as one example, the ability to push back linebackers? Lmao....the shrimp is gonna out muscle a man that has 50 lbs on him......please.

Fan boi honks only see what they wanna see.

On a positive note, the does throw a nice left handed pass....

He ran over many duke defenders much larger than him.. thanks

miktoxic

duke? football? really?

Taco918

@miktoxic said:
duke? football? really?

That had a pretty good year this past year. Granted they weren't known for their defense but a good year none the less.

Taco918

@scdawg82 said:

Well....I think if..

Wes welker

Zach Thomas

Jordan Shipley

Chris Borland

Weren't white they'd been taken higher. I don't get that feeling about Manziel. I think his height yes and his style of play do effect people wearyness.

That is a problem I have seen all my life that no one seems to care about, but for Johnny Football, Nah. I'd like to see us take him, just not at #4.

Shipley sucks that's why he didn't go higher.

Taco918

@miktoxic said:

maybe the 2 inches taller part. i'd say 3-4 inches and maybe 25 more pounds.

the thought that if he were black he'd be the #1 pick is absurd.

2 days away and people are fucking going crazy.

Perfect assessment. If you put Manziel in Bortles body the only argument about QB's this off season would be if he would put up better numbers than Luck did his rookie year.

cuwoohio

Tomorrow's headline

Glazer: Browns do 360......it WILL be Manziel with the 4the pick!!

Taco918

Well the Bucs are evidently trying to trade up to 2 and have a possible interest in Manziel so maybe this is another smoke screen by the Browns to prevent this trade? Who knows. All I know is for football to be considered the most "manly" sport, these front offices/coaching staffs sure do gossip like a bunch of teenage girls.

SCDawg82

@taco918 said:
Shipley sucks that's why he didn't go higher.

Is that based on any kind of cognitive thought? Or......?

Taco918

@scdawg82 said:
Is that based on any kind of cognitive thought? Or......?

Yup he went to Texas and was a product of Mack's final decent season along with someone, we as Browns, should be familiar with.

Edit: Plus he sucks.

SCDawg82

@taco918 said:

Yup he went to Texas and was a product of Mack's final decent season along with someone, we as Browns, should be familiar with.

I'm trying..... still see no qualitative reason for him to "suck"

Taco918

@scdawg82 said:

@taco918 said:

Yup he went to Texas and was a product of Mack's final decent season along with someone, we as Browns, should be familiar with.

I'm trying..... still see no qualitative reason for him to "suck"

Well what has he done? That should answer your question. Amendola would've been a better example for your questionable statement.

SCDawg82

@taco918 said:

ame="SCDawg82" post="403850" timestamp="1399421722"]

In the pro's? Torn an ACL. Takes time to bounce back from that. But his college career was what the crux of my argument was based around. He wasn't even the argument.... He was one example. I could name MANY more.

Taco918

@scdawg82 said:

@taco918 said:

ame="SCDawg82" post="403850" timestamp="1399421722"]

In the pro's? Torn an ACL. Takes time to bounce back from that. But his college career was what the crux of my argument was based around. He wasn't even the argument.... He was one example. I could name MANY more.

If anything he is a shining example that disproves your point. If he had gone higher he would've been even more of a bust.

79 receptions, 858 yards and 4 TD over a 4 year, 24 game, 3 team career. He is currently a free agent and I don't see teams beating each other to death for a chance to sign him.

I feel comfortable classifying his production level in the suck range.