Jonathan Paul Manziel
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
If Manziel was 2 inches taller hed be the unanimous first pick. If Manziel was black he'd be the unanimous first pick. Let that sink in for a second.
Well....I think if..
Wes welker
Zach Thomas
Jordan Shipley
Chris Borland
Weren't white they'd been taken higher. I don't get that feeling about Manziel. I think his height yes and his style of play do effect people wearyness.
That is a problem I have seen all my life that no one seems to care about, but for Johnny Football, Nah. I'd like to see us take him, just not at #4.
Well....I think if..
Wes welker
Zach Thomas
Jordan Shipley
Chris Borland
Weren't white they'd been taken higher. I don't get that feeling about Manziel. I think his height yes and his style of play do effect people wearyness.
That is a problem I have seen all my life that no one seems to care about, but for Johnny Football, Nah. I'd like to see us take him, just not at #4.
Shipley sucks that's why he didn't go higher.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
If Manziel was 2 inches taller hed be the unanimous first pick. If Manziel was black he'd be the unanimous first pick. Let that sink in for a second.
maybe the 2 inches taller part. i'd say 3-4 inches and maybe 25 more pounds.
the thought that if he were black he'd be the #1 pick is absurd.
2 days away and people are fucking going crazy.
maybe the 2 inches taller part. i'd say 3-4 inches and maybe 25 more pounds.
the thought that if he were black he'd be the #1 pick is absurd.
2 days away and people are fucking going crazy.
Perfect assessment. If you put Manziel in Bortles body the only argument about QB's this off season would be if he would put up better numbers than Luck did his rookie year.
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Tomorrow's headline
Glazer: Browns do 360......it WILL be Manziel with the 4the pick!!
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Well the Bucs are evidently trying to trade up to 2 and have a possible interest in Manziel so maybe this is another smoke screen by the Browns to prevent this trade? Who knows. All I know is for football to be considered the most "manly" sport, these front offices/coaching staffs sure do gossip like a bunch of teenage girls.
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Well....I think if..
Wes welker
Zach Thomas
Jordan Shipley
Chris Borland
Weren't white they'd been taken higher. I don't get that feeling about Manziel. I think his height yes and his style of play do effect people wearyness.
That is a problem I have seen all my life that no one seems to care about, but for Johnny Football, Nah. I'd like to see us take him, just not at #4.
Shipley sucks that's why he didn't go higher.
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Yup he went to Texas and was a product of Mack's final decent season along with someone, we as Browns, should be familiar with.
I'm trying..... still see no qualitative reason for him to "suck"
Well what has he done? That should answer your question. Amendola would've been a better example for your questionable statement.
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Yup he went to Texas and was a product of Mack's final decent season along with someone, we as Browns, should be familiar with.
I'm trying..... still see no qualitative reason for him to "suck"
Well what has he done? That should answer your question. Amendola would've been a better example for your questionable statement.
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In the pro's? Torn an ACL. Takes time to bounce back from that. But his college career was what the crux of my argument was based around. He wasn't even the argument.... He was one example. I could name MANY more.
If anything he is a shining example that disproves your point. If he had gone higher he would've been even more of a bust.
79 receptions, 858 yards and 4 TD over a 4 year, 24 game, 3 team career. He is currently a free agent and I don't see teams beating each other to death for a chance to sign him.
I feel comfortable classifying his production level in the suck range.
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ame="SCDawg82" post="403850" timestamp="1399421722"]
In the pro's? Torn an ACL. Takes time to bounce back from that. But his college career was what the crux of my argument was based around. He wasn't even the argument.... He was one example. I could name MANY more.
If anything he is a shining example that disproves your point. If he had gone higher he would've been even more of a bust.
79 receptions, 858 yards and 4 TD over a 4 year, 24 game, 3 team career. He is currently a free agent and I don't see teams beating each other to death for a chance to sign him.
I feel comfortable classifying his production level in the suck range.
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Surely those arent
If anything he is a shining example that disproves your point. If he had gone higher he would've been even more of a bust.
79 receptions, 858 yards and 4 TD over a 4 year, 24 game, 3 team career. He is currently a free agent and I don't see teams beating each other to death for a chance to sign him.
I feel comfortable classifying his production level in the suck range.
Sure those aren't his collegiate statistics. I could go look, but I'm certain he was FAR more productive than that at Texas.
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ame="SCDawg82" post="403853" timestamp="1399422233"]
Surely those arent
If anything he is a shining example that disproves your point. If he had gone higher he would've been even more of a bust.
79 receptions, 858 yards and 4 TD over a 4 year, 24 game, 3 team career. He is currently a free agent and I don't see teams beating each other to death for a chance to sign him.
I feel comfortable classifying his production level in the suck range.
Sure those aren't his collegiate statistics. I could go look, but I'm certain he was FAR more productive than that at Texas.
Sure those aren't his collegiate statistics. I could go look, but I'm certain he was FAR more productive than that at Texas.
So it doesn't matter he can't cut it in the NFL, what does is he was white and didn't get a fair shake? Is that the beyond ridiculous point you're trying to make?
If so you're not doing very well. All of those people you listed in your original post had some other deficiency that caused their stock to drop, not their race.
Shipley and Borland - not elite athletes
Welker - short
Thomas - I was more concerned about Legos and the Power Rangers than the NFL draft at that time but I'm sure you can look up his scouting reports out of college and find an actual fault outside of his skin color that prevented him from being the top draft pick of all time.
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Sure those aren't his collegiate statistics. I could go look, but I'm certain he was FAR more productive than that at Texas.
So it doesn't matter he can't cut it in the NFL, what does is he was white and didn't get a fair shake? Is that the beyond ridiculous point you're trying to make?
If so you're not doing very well. All of those people you listed in your original post had some other deficiency that caused their stock to drop, not their race.
Shipley and Borland - not elite athletes
Welker - short
Thomas - I was more concerned about Legos and the Power Rangers than the NFL draft at that time but I'm sure you can look up his scouting reports out of college and find an actual fault outside of his skin color that prevented him from being the top draft pick of all time.
So it doesn't matter he can't cut it in the NFL, what does is he was white and didn't get a fair shake? Is that the beyond ridiculous point you're trying to make?
If so you're not doing very well. All of those people you listed in your original post had some other deficiency that caused their stock to drop, not their race.
Shipley and Borland - not elite athletes
Welker - short
Thomas - I was more concerned about Legos and the Power Rangers than the NFL draft at that time but I'm sure you can look up his scouting reports out of college and find an actual fault outside of his skin color that prevented him from being the top draft pick of all time.
So... Are you draft athletes or football players?! You arent too young to remember Darrius Heywood Bey. His production was garbage next to Shipley's. If you took Shipley's production, his quantitative numbers from the combine, there's no way that player goes past the top 10, but less past the whole first round.
Your argument with welker is short? dude.....Nevermind.....
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So it doesn't matter he can't cut it in the NFL, what does is he was white and didn't get a fair shake? Is that the beyond ridiculous point you're trying to make?
If so you're not doing very well. All of those people you listed in your original post had some other deficiency that caused their stock to drop, not their race.
Shipley and Borland - not elite athletes
Welker - short
Thomas - I was more concerned about Legos and the Power Rangers than the NFL draft at that time but I'm sure you can look up his scouting reports out of college and find an actual fault outside of his skin color that prevented him from being the top draft pick of all time.
So... Are you draft athletes or football players?! You arent too young to remember Darrius Heywood Bey. His production was garbage next to Shipley's. If you took Shipley's production, his quantitative numbers from the combine, there's no way that player goes past the top 10, but less past the whole first round.
Your argument with welker is short? dude.....Nevermind.....
So it doesn't matter he can't cut it in the NFL, what does is he was white and didn't get a fair shake? Is that the beyond ridiculous point you're trying to make?
If so you're not doing very well. All of those people you listed in your original post had some other deficiency that caused their stock to drop, not their race.
Shipley and Borland - not elite athletes
Welker - short
Thomas - I was more concerned about Legos and the Power Rangers than the NFL draft at that time but I'm sure you can look up his scouting reports out of college and find an actual fault outside of his skin color that prevented him from being the top draft pick of all time.
So... Are you draft athletes or football players?! You arent too young to remember Darrius Heywood Bey. His production was garbage next to Shipley's. If you took Shipley's production, his quantitative numbers from the combine, there's no way that player goes past the top 10, but less past the whole first round.
Your argument with welker is short? dude.....Nevermind.....
The biggest reason DHB was drafted at 7 was due to Al Davis so not the best example. However drafting a prospect is as much about his potential as his college production. DHB possessed the raw athletic ability to have a much higher potential than Shipley ever did. While DHB was a reach a 7, he would've been taken higher than Shipley regardless. You can't teach speed or height.
As for Welker, he is short for an NFL WR. He also doesn't have prototypical top line speed you look for in a first round draft pick either. Where he does excel is his quickness, agility, knowledge of the game and his ability to find soft spots in coverage. It's tough to spot some of that ability when all of your game tape is in Mike Leech's air raid offense.
(FYI Welker is a bit of a folk hero down here in Oklahoma due to him growing up in OKC, being a classic underdog and all.)
Nice try attempting to dismiss my knowledge of him though. Would you like to continue to make an ass of yourself or would you prefer to just chalk this one up as a loss?
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This is what I have been saying for the past two days. Haslam is the only one in the FO who wants Manziel, the only one who has him rated high. The actual people with football knowledge don't even have him in their top 3 QBs. Haslam said weeks ago that he wouldn't be making football decisions, he is going to let the people he hired do that. IF Manziel is picked at #4, then it means Haslam is full of shit and everything he has promised us he is not.
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I watched that entire JF vs Duke video. When exactly did he run dudes over?
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@walterwhite said:
You don't know what ANY GM wants at this point, NOBODY does.
It's all smoke, mirrors, and everyone trying to fuck the other guy on the deal.
It's pure chaos in draft rooms right now, everyone fielding calls, offers, etc.
Just sit back, relax, and wait for the draft.
But I do know what the BROWNS GM has ranked as his #1 and #3 QB, with the 2nd ranked QB slipping my mind. I will say it is not where near what the media is claiming the order should be.
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