Browns / Bills trade
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@mike-h said:
Why draft another QB next year when Farmer already got his franchise QB? Next year he will be adding two blue chippers. I'd look at WR and a game-changing pass rusher.
yessir. picks one and two next year, that is if these picks turn out to be the players the FO hoped they would when selecting them.
i have a neighbor who's a bills fan and he was with a big section of fans who think they got screwed and praised what we had done.
there'll be another watkins next year. might have a different set of numbers and measurables, but they'll be a top 5 just like this year and every year before it.
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I probably would have accepted a 2nd next year instead of the first. But they should be excited too, they paid a top price but for top talent.
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@walterwhite said:
What? You would have taken a 2nd instead of a 1st?
Before knowing the Gordon situation anyway, I really like the Gilbert pick though.
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fleeced
I've said it elsewhere. "Fleeced" only if Gilbert turns into the stud CB we think he will be, AND we don't draft another Brandon Weeden with that #1 next year. Too early to say.
I've said it elsewhere. "Fleeced" only if Gilbert turns into the stud CB we think he will be, AND we don't draft another Brandon Weeden with that #1 next year. Too early to say.
Don't forget about Desir, he's pretty darn good too - CB shouldn't be an issue outside of Rookie growing pains.
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@mike-h said:
Yep, sometimes a turd is a turd. Like Haslam saw with Chudzinski, sometimes there is no perceived room for improvement and its better to start over than keep continuity for the sake of continuity. I agree QBs aren't given enough time anymore, and that some QBs will eventually "click" if they don't as quick as others.... but it hasn't happened for CLE QBs. Everyone wanted to give Quinn, McCoy, Anderson, et al "more time," and they never amounted to anything outside Cleveland.
Wow an actual Mike H reply to one of my posts... Well here goes nothing...
I think as a rule coaches need more than one year... especially rookie ones. That said... would I now trade Pettine for Chud? No... Mike shows "grit" that Chud did not, but lack of grit alone was not a fireable offense.
You forgot Wheezy in your QB list... although his one-more-year crowd got pretty thin, pretty fast in year two. For the record I was never on board with he or Quinn. You should well be aware of the former, but will have to trust me on the latter.
Anderson: Following his "break-out year" I wanted to trade him... and Braylon Edwards. Houston area Browns fan accused me of heresy, but I believed that he was a one-read, one-season wonder, that Edwards had just been along for the ride and that their trade value would never be higher. I believe I had that one (or two) right...
McCoy: Guilty on that one. In retrospect he may have peaked in the 2010 Jets game we lost in OT. While I thought he was improving in 2011, whatever chance he had to be good may have ended with the Harrison hit in late that year. Regardless... to believe Wheezy was a more talented QB was ludicrous.
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Exactly why in the hell!?@mike-h said:
Why draft another QB next year when Farmer already got his franchise QB? Next year he will be adding two blue chippers. I'd look at WR and a game-changing pass rusher.
By next season it will probably be a little more clear what the exact needs are.
I'll bet dollars to dog turds it won't be another first round QB.back...
WSS
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Exactly why in the hell!?@mike-h said:
Why draft another QB next year when Farmer already got his franchise QB? Next year he will be adding two blue chippers. I'd look at WR and a game-changing pass rusher.
By next season it will probably be a little more clear what the exact needs are.
I'll bet dollars to dog turds it won't be another first round QB.back...
WSS
Exactly why in the hell!?
By next season it will probably be a little more clear what the exact needs are.
I'll bet dollars to dog turds it won't be another first round QB.back...
WSS
Which next year is likely to have in spades.
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Exactly why in the hell!?
By next season it will probably be a little more clear what the exact needs are.
I'll bet dollars to dog turds it won't be another first round QB.back...
WSS
Which next year is likely to have in spades.
Which next year is likely to have in spades.
HB I don't think I understood your response.
WSS
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Well then I don't think for a second anybody in charge is thinking about it Mariota or Winston.
If they were they could have taken AJ McCarron.
Or announced they were sticking with Hoyer.
I don't think you draft Johnny football if you are thinking to next year's quarterback draft. Unless, of course, you are an idiot.
Slap the franchise tag on Cameron and draft a tight end next year at 15 or wherever we will pick.
WSS
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Which next year is likely to have in spades.
HB I don't think I understood your response.
WSS
HB I don't think I understood your response.
WSS
Means that next years crop (at least 1st round crop) of pass rushers and pass catchers are supposed to be good. At least from what I have read.
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i understand why the bills made the trade for watkins, but what i dont get is that they gave up a solid amount and they are more than one guy away from being a playoff contender.
i understand why the bills made the trade for watkins, but what i dont get is that they gave up a solid amount and they are more than one guy away from being a playoff contender.
They aren't far of if they aren't already going to be playing for a playoff spot. They are full of playmakers defensively. Spiller needs to stay healthy and they drafted manuel last season. If his maturation continues on a positive track they are going to be in the hunt.
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This was an A+ grade for the Browns any day. Look at the history of trading up... in most cases the team trading down ends up with advantage...
This was an A+ grade for the Browns any day. Look at the history of trading up... in most cases the team trading down ends up with advantage...
A+? You don't know what you are going to have 100% with either of the first round guys. Gilbert is a very good man corner but he's a poor tackler and by a lot of accounts wasn't the best corner in the draft just the most athletic. What surprised me is why the browns traded out of the latter portion of the deepest draft in a decade to load up on picks in next years draft. Bottom line tho all the teams in the north had solid drafts.
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The Browns said in their defense, the cb's aren't
used in run support like other defenses.
You can coach tackling, anyways.
You can't coach athleticism. Gilbert is a good bit
more fluid than Kyle fuller.
He's an amazing talent. Your sour grapes are duly noted.
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The Browns said in their defense, the cb's aren't
used in run support like other defenses.
You can coach tackling, anyways.
You can't coach athleticism. Gilbert is a good bit
more fluid than Kyle fuller.
He's an amazing talent. Your sour grapes are duly noted.
Sour grapes? If the steelers were to draft a corner in round 1 I wanted fuller because our corners are asked to tackle. Dennard would have been my second choice and only behind fuller because he like gilbert is more of a man corner and the steelers run more zone. Mayock had gilbert ranked 3rd for a while because his unwillingness to tackle. I'm more than pleased with a 4.37 forty at inisde backer next to timmons but thanks. Manziel is gonna have a blast running for his life.The Browns said in their defense, the cb's aren't
used in run support like other defenses.
You can coach tackling, anyways.
You can't coach athleticism. Gilbert is a good bit
more fluid than Kyle fuller.
He's an amazing talent. Your sour grapes are duly noted.
Edit: and manziel is a gamble. You gotta hope he's Russell Wilson but if hes not its back to the drawing board and you are spending another first on a qb. I also couldn't be more pleased with the steelers draft.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Sour grapes? If the steelers were to draft a corner in round 1 I wanted fuller because our corners are asked to tackle. Dennard would have been my second choice and only behind fuller because he like gilbert is more of a man corner and the steelers run more zone. Mayock had gilbert ranked 3rd for a while because his unwillingness to tackle. I'm more than pleased with a 4.37 forty at inisde backer next to timmons but thanks. Manziel is gonna have a blast running for his life.The Browns said in their defense, the cb's aren't
used in run support like other defenses.
You can coach tackling, anyways.
You can't coach athleticism. Gilbert is a good bit
more fluid than Kyle fuller.
He's an amazing talent. Your sour grapes are duly noted.
Edit: and manziel is a gamble. You gotta hope he's Russell Wilson but if hes not its back to the drawing board and you are spending another first on a qb. I also couldn't be more pleased with the steelers draft.
Edit: and manziel is a gamble.
c'mon vag. everyone is a gamble.
sorry your draft ranked under ours. the steelers fall and the browns rise hasn't happened as fast as i predicted but take a look out on the horizon and it is as clear as a new sun shining Nword.
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Couldn't care less about the squeelers draft.
I like the Browns draft - the dramatic impact is expected
this coming season. We have a real, highly respected GM now.
Watch the difference, and weep.
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Your draft was rated below ours on several media sites. We got 4 players that will have an immediate impact in the top 4 rounds and drafted well the rest of the way. As of now its all speculation/opinion. Bottom line the predicted fall of the steelers just isn't going to happen. They just reloaded the dline and finished off the linebacking crew. Sean Spence is also cleared from that awful injury. They then added a ridiculous player in DRI archer in the 3rd and added the tall/burner with martavis Bryant. Speed all over now. Beyond that they gave up 7 sacks in the final 6 or 7 games and just hired a hall of fame lineman to coach up the line. I can admit the browns are improving. Its probably time most of you admit the steelers aren't going anywhere.c'mon vag. everyone is a gamble.
sorry your draft ranked under ours. the steelers fall and the browns rise hasn't happened as fast as i predicted but take a look out on the horizon and it is as clear as a new sun shining Nword.
Edit: manziel is under 6 feet tall and in a very hard nosed division. I agree there are no guarantees with anyone but he has an uphill battle.
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The jury is still out on this draft because of the added picks for next year. If one of those 1st round picks brings in Amari Cooper or another WR of that caliber, then the Browns trade with the Bills will be sheer genius. Get the CB you need to complete this D AND the WR you need to stretch defenses thin. Can't beat that. The other two extras are just gravy.
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HB I don't think I understood your response.
WSS
Means that next years crop (at least 1st round crop) of pass rushers and pass catchers are supposed to be good. At least from what I have read.
Means that next years crop (at least 1st round crop) of pass rushers and pass catchers are supposed to be good. At least from what I have read.
Ahhh.
Good.
WSS
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This was an A+ grade for the Browns any day. Look at the history of trading up... in most cases the team trading down ends up with advantage...
A+? You don't know what you are going to have 100% with either of the first round guys. Gilbert is a very good man corner but he's a poor tackler and by a lot of accounts wasn't the best corner in the draft just the most athletic. What surprised me is why the browns traded out of the latter portion of the deepest draft in a decade to load up on picks in next years draft. Bottom line tho all the teams in the north had solid drafts.
A+? You don't know what you are going to have 100% with either of the first round guys. Gilbert is a very good man corner but he's a poor tackler and by a lot of accounts wasn't the best corner in the draft just the most athletic. What surprised me is why the browns traded out of the latter portion of the deepest draft in a decade to load up on picks in next years draft. Bottom line tho all the teams in the north had solid drafts.
The Browns picked up their talent in the top of the draft where most of the talent actually gets picked They got 6 of the first 96 picks.
I guess they decided they didn't need roster fodder, so they kinda just let it be right there. I would have liked to see another pick or two....but, save for that WR spot, they did a nice job of filling the real needs they had on the team. I guess they will just use different methods to get a WR. (they picked up a couple of UDFA, and now apparently have gotten Earl Bennett....for what he is worth)
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