Connor Shaw
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I'm actually a Buckeyes fan because I grew up in Youngstown (the source of my fandom period). I now live in the south hence I'm stuck with the SEC fanfare. While I don't root for SEC teams I acknowledge that a majority of the talent goes to those schools. Doesn't mean that I don't anxiously await the Big Ten's return to power.Zombo said:
I don't know. I think we've attracted a bunch of SEC homos.
Zombo
I'm actually a Buckeyes fan because I grew up in Youngstown (the source of my fandom period). I now live in the south hence I'm stuck with the SEC fanfare. While I don't root for SEC teams I acknowledge that a majority of the talent goes to those schools. Doesn't mean that I don't anxiously await the Big Ten's return to power.
That is a theory....but if you look at the Pro Bowl rosters, as many or more players in the Pro Bowl actually went to Big Ten or Pac 10 schools.
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Is this a real argument happening in real life?
Shaw can't hold Manziels jock, as you will see soon enough.
Is this a real argument happening in real life?
Shaw can't hold Manziels jock, as you will see soon enough.
It is an argument about how Connor Shaw and Johhny Football have similar styles and may complement each other in the Browns offense.
Now I am sure the Gamecock honks might see Shaw as the equivalent or superior to JFF, but that is OK, since he is their boy.
Obviously not many others see it that way.
(but just be aware of my Mike Phipps/Brian Sipe analogy. The meek shall inherit the earth, and it would not be the first time that the lowly undrafted or low drafted guy outshines the big name prospect. Not saying that would happen, but also not discounting the remote possibility....because I have lived through it.)
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JunkYardDog "Besides the fact, that Shaw outperformed Manziel, and Teddy Twatwater in every catagory of the NFL combine."
I wanted to point out that this is false.
I used the top 15 QB performers of the 2014 NFL Combine as my population.
Combine results:
40yd Dash: Shaw - 4.66 sec, Manziel - 4.68 sec
Avg: 4.83 sec, Standard deviation: 0.14 sec
Placing Shaw and Manziel within the same standard deviation.
Very slight edge: Shaw
Vertical Jump: Shaw - 34", Manziel - 31.5"
Avg: 30.5", SD: 2.49"
Placing Shaw one SD ahead of Manziel
Edge: Shaw
Broad Jump: Shaw - 9' 8" (116"), Manziel - 9' 5" (113")
Avg: 110" (9'2"), SD: 4.23"
Placing Shaw one SD ahead of Manziel.
Edge: Shaw
Three Cone: Shaw - 7.07 sec, Manziel - 6.75 sec
Avg: 7.11 sec, SD: 0.21 sec
Placing Manziel in one SD ahead of Shaw.
Edge: Manziel
20yd Shuttle: Shaw - 4.33 sec, Manziel - 4.03 sec
Avg 4.25 sec, SD: 0.09 sec
Shaw is -1 on the SD scale and Manziel is greater than 2 on the +SD. The gap between is large.
Exceptionally Large Edge: Manziel
Tally: Shaw - 2 edges, 1 slight edge. Manziel - 1 edge, 1 very large edge
If you skew the data where the avg was the worst performer of the two (Shaw and Manziel) and kept the SD, Shaw and Manziel are within the same SD on 40yd Dash, Broad Jump and Shaw is barely one SD above Manziel on the Vertical.
Skewed Tally: Shaw - 2 slight edges, 1 very slight edge. Manziel - 1 edge, 1 very large edge.
Two Notes on the 20 yd shuttle:
1. The 20 yd Shuttle is the only time either one of the performers dropped below the Avg.
2. Manziel is the 2nd fastest QB since 2006 (Matt Scott, 2013, 3.99 sec), no info before 2006
P.S. Teddy Twatwater beat Shaw at the 20yd Shuttle (4.2 sec)
TLDR: Shaw did not outperform Manziel in the draft.
Edit: Corrected 40yd Dash times
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The good news is... both of the rookie qb's are better than colt mccoy!
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JunkYardDog "Besides the fact, that Shaw outperformed Manziel, and Teddy Twatwater in every catagory of the NFL combine."
I wanted to point out that this is false.
I used the top 15 QB performers of the 2014 NFL Combine as my population.
Combine results:
40yd Dash: Shaw - 4.66 sec, Manziel - 4.68 sec
Avg: 4.83 sec, Standard deviation: 0.14 sec
Placing Shaw and Manziel within the same standard deviation.
Very slight edge: Shaw
Vertical Jump: Shaw - 34", Manziel - 31.5"
Avg: 30.5", SD: 2.49"
Placing Shaw one SD ahead of Manziel
Edge: Shaw
Broad Jump: Shaw - 9' 8" (116"), Manziel - 9' 5" (113")
Avg: 110" (9'2"), SD: 4.23"
Placing Shaw one SD ahead of Manziel.
Edge: Shaw
Three Cone: Shaw - 7.07 sec, Manziel - 6.75 sec
Avg: 7.11 sec, SD: 0.21 sec
Placing Manziel in one SD ahead of Shaw.
Edge: Manziel
20yd Shuttle: Shaw - 4.33 sec, Manziel - 4.03 sec
Avg 4.25 sec, SD: 0.09 sec
Shaw is -1 on the SD scale and Manziel is greater than 2 on the +SD. The gap between is large.
Exceptionally Large Edge: Manziel
Tally: Shaw - 2 edges, 1 slight edge. Manziel - 1 edge, 1 very large edge
If you skew the data where the avg was the worst performer of the two (Shaw and Manziel) and kept the SD, Shaw and Manziel are within the same SD on 40yd Dash, Broad Jump and Shaw is barely one SD above Manziel on the Vertical.
Skewed Tally: Shaw - 2 slight edges, 1 very slight edge. Manziel - 1 edge, 1 very large edge.
Two Notes on the 20 yd shuttle:
1. The 20 yd Shuttle is the only time either one of the performers dropped below the Avg.
2. Manziel is the 2nd fastest QB since 2006 (Matt Scott, 2013, 3.99 sec), no info before 2006
P.S. Teddy Twatwater beat Shaw at the 20yd Shuttle (4.2 sec)
TLDR: Shaw did not outperform Manziel in the draft.
Edit: Corrected 40yd Dash times
JunkYardDog "Besides the fact, that Shaw outperformed Manziel, and Teddy Twatwater in every catagory of the NFL combine."I wanted to point out that this is false.
I used the top 15 QB performers of the 2014 NFL Combine as my population.
Combine results:
40yd Dash: Shaw - 4.36 sec, Manziel - 4.38 sec
Avg: 4.83 sec, Standard deviation: 0.14 sec
Placing Shaw and Manziel within the same standard deviation.
Very slight edge: Shaw
Vertical Jump: Shaw - 34", Manziel - 31.5"
Avg: 30.5", SD: 2.49"
Placing Shaw one SD ahead of Manziel
Edge: Shaw
Broad Jump: Shaw - 9' 8" (116"), Manziel - 9' 5" (113")
Avg: 110" (9'2"), SD: 4.23"
Placing Shaw one SD ahead of Manziel.
Edge: Shaw
Three Cone: Shaw - 7.07 sec, Manziel - 6.75 sec
Avg: 7.11 sec, SD: 0.21 sec
Placing Manziel in one SD ahead of Shaw.
Edge: Manziel
20yd Shuttle: Shaw - 4.33 sec, Manziel - 4.03 sec
Avg 4.25 sec, SD: 0.09 sec
Shaw is -1 on the SD scale and Manziel is greater than 2 on the +SD. The gap between is large.
Exceptionally Large Edge: Manziel
Tally: Shaw - 2 edges, 1 slight edge. Manziel - 1 edge, 1 very large edge
If you skew the data where the avg was the worst performer of the two (Shaw and Manziel) and kept the SD, Shaw and Manziel are within the same SD on 40yd Dash, Broad Jump and Shaw is barely one SD above Manziel on the Vertical.
Skewed Tally: Shaw - 2 slight edges, 1 very slight edge. Manziel - 1 edge, 1 very large edge.
Two Notes on the 20 yd shuttle:
1. The 20 yd Shuttle is the only time either one of the performers dropped below the Avg.
2. Manziel is the 2nd fastest QB since 2006 (Matt Scott, 2013, 3.99 sec), no info before 2006
P.S. Teddy Twatwater beat Shaw at the 20yd Shuttle (4.2 sec)
TLDR: Shaw did not outperform Manziel in the draft.
Are you sure about those 40 times? I was pretty sure that Manziel ran 4.68 and Shaw ran 4.66. Either way, points stands that they're about the same.
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Dont rememeber, but does the Shanny Offense have the triple option in it.
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I don't see where Chutzpah showed up in any of those measurements.
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Some Chic-fil-a somewhere down south just exploded.
Are you saying that the Chic-fil-A corporation doesn't condone the gay lifestyle? I don't know about that, but, the do make a good Chicken sandwich.
Some Chic-fil-a somewhere down south just exploded.
Are you saying that the Chic-fil-A corporation doesn't condone the gay lifestyle? I don't know about that, but, the do make a good Chicken sandwich.
Fantastic sandwich
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Yup... More accurate Title would be Shaw vs. The Numbers, but he got an invitation from the current regime and that's a step one with an edge...
Some Chic-fil-a somewhere down south just exploded.
Funniest thing I've read here this year.
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He fits the character, the work ethic, the toughness..
he's a *football player* who loves the game.. super competitive...He's smart,
and was very successful.
Don't be surprised if he hangs on with the Browns as
an UDFA qb.
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Always liked the kid when I lived in the South watching his games. The kid has grit. He is obviously a work in progress, but like all players, this guy needs time to develope.
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The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released.
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The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released.
The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released.
This isn't a comedy board.
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The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released.
The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released.
This isn't a comedy board.
Or a most moronic thing said wins a prize board.
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The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released.
This isn't a comedy board.
Or a most moronic thing said wins a prize board.
Or a most moronic thing said wins a prize board.
We don't have enough prizes for that.
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The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released.
The QB depth for week one 1 should be Manziel, Thigpen, and Shaw. Hoyer needs to be released.
HAHA!!
Or a most moronic thing said wins a prize board.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
We don't have enough prizes for that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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