Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Johnny Football wins the Heisman by breaking 40+ year old Archie Manning SEC records that neither one of his more heralded sons even broke. And all this without saying a word to the media until after the last game of the season.
There is a reason behind all that media hype. The first redshirt freshman Heisman winner in history comes along with a name he didn't particularly care for and suddenly there is a circus?
Just be happy Cleveland that a ton of money gets infused into the community when the circus stays any length of time. And with Johnny you will find behind all the smoke there truly is one hell of a fire to take an underdog and make it top dog. That's just the way he's made. Part of the thing that keeps the fire burning is people who say, "He can't do this, that or the other." Kid is driven to prove everyone wrong. Just ask the now unemployed Mack Brown the cost of not taking him seriously.
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i want johnny football because i want to see our qb taunt the opponent, make the money sign in ben rothelisburgers face and take a shit on andy daltons head.
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The Browns will NOT ruin Manziel.
The Browns have never had a Quarterback LIKE Manziel before.
Manziel is the best talent that Cleveland has had at the QB spot since I've first started watching them in 98-99, finally being loyal Browns fans is going to pay off. I can see why a lot of the Shitty Ohioans are pissy, they all secretly wish they had Manziel coming into his prime, the excitement he brings, the passion... but alas, you are stuck with a middle-aged washed up rapist has-been for a QB leading an aging team. Is someone bitter now? Does wittle johnny wanna jump off the Steelers bandwagon and come home now?
My advice... DO IT!
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its baffling to me that hoyer automatically gets the job. He played decent in those 3 games, not amazing. 3 games should never solidify a starting spot. They should let the quarterbacks compete. Hoyers resume is nothing special so far in his career, if he beats out manziel by looking better than him im ok with that. But to tell johnny to act like a backup is bad. All backups should be preparing like they are starters.
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i want johnny football because i want to see our qb taunt the opponent, make the money sign in ben rothelisburgers face and take a shit on andy daltons head.
watch this video all 65 throws at johnnys pro day. Those roll out throws are right on the money and those are the type of plays that are going to give defenses fits.
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Lovingly Gay said:
The Browns will ruin Johnny football just like they've ruined all the other QB prospects they've had in semi recent history. The media and fans will insist that he start before he is ready and then they will hate him when it doesn't work out.
His knock is that he is immature.............but he is ready to start for a bad offense on a bad team in a tough division? Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Tough Division? If you have been watching TV, national commentators no longer consider the AFCN a "tough" division.
Ravens and Steelers are considered mediocre or below. There is really not much respect for the Bengals even though they are defending division champs. The Browns seem to be the most interesting and exciting team, with as much talent as any other, but haven't learned how to win.
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Stop it.
AFC North is defensively tough.
Defense is the stable of this division.
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The one thing that will be a positive that hasn't really been talked about surrounding Johnny Manziel coming to Cleveland is the accountability of the officials and the legitimacy of our games from here on out. I can't count the amount of times that the Browns get hosed by the officials, almost gamely, and nothing is ever really mentioned. NOW, under the microscope of Manzielmania, with the hordes watching and observing, all calls will be scrutinized and talked about on ESPN and across the nation. This in itself will bring us wins.
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the unveiling of a new jersey next season
ugh. really?
hey all you johnny fans ya gotta pony up again next year. lol!
he'll look great in silver/grey/brown and orange.....HA!
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If you've gone thru however many "savior" QBs that didnt work out...why diss the next one?
Because history seems to indicate the problem just might be the organization.
You've been married 9 times? Hell, maybe it's YOU.
But...we got a new coach, new GM...why not try a little optimism?
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the unveiling of a new jersey next season
ugh. really?
hey all you johnny fans ya gotta pony up again next year. lol!
he'll look great in silver/grey/brown and orange.....HA!
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Espn scroll:
Browns OT Joe Thomas says Manziel being a good rookie so far in keeping his mouth shut. Rookies should be seen and not heard.
Rofl Joe Thomas, Great soundbyte.
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Lovingly Gay said:
Do yourself a favor and read the SI article about the draft. The experts were very iffy on Johnny and there is a reason he was still available at 22, just like Quinn and Weeden were. And when Cleveland drafted them, they thought they got a steal then too!
The experts thought jamarcus Russell and Ryan leaf were going to be awesome
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@everlastingxxx said:
Thats right Tate was added this offseason. I know about Hawkins, he came in second on Michael Irvins reality show a few years ago. I thought he should have won but Irvin chose the bigger WR.
And then the proper vet WRs, Austin, Bennett & Burleson. Not exactly studs (that's why they were FAs still available in April/May), but Outside of Gordon, our WRs were awful last year. These guys are most likely an upgrade over Little, Benjamin & Bess.
And then the proper vet WRs, Austin, Bennett & Burleson. Not exactly studs (that's why they were FAs still available in April/May), but Outside of Gordon, our WRs were awful last year. These guys are most likely an upgrade over Little, Benjamin & Bess.
Tom Brady proved if the qb is good enough it doesn't matter who the wrs are.
@walterwhite said:
Dude, you're smarter than this.
ESPN is the McDonalds of Sports Analysis and Coverage and plays down to the lowest common denominator of sports fans. RG3 was insanely marketable and had some of the best TV ratings in 2012 and it carried over in 2013. That's the job of the national media to feed their titan markets (Lebron, A-Rod, Yankees, Lakers, Manning, etc)
The National Spotlight will NEVER give Gilbert equal press because Johnny Manziel is one of the most hyped, covered, and popular players EVER. He pulls ratings and revenue by the millions so what the hell exactly do you want ESPN to talk about.? Didn't MATTER where Manziel was going, the circus was following him to town wherever he went.
...and by the way Hoorta, for a guy that isn't real high on Manziel and all the hype, you sure are counter-productive because you do talk about him more than ANYONE and bring more heat to his stories in the threads. Just ignore it if you don't like the hype.Walter- I hope you realize Manziel also has a significant minority out there that can't stand him. & please don't put me in that category post draft.
There isn't any controversy/fame with Gilbert.
The media thrives on controversy, and what's hot to get ratings.
Weird how that one 7th round player gets so much attention, whereas so many other terrific players don't. Why, I thought it was all about football....
Actually, I knew better with the media.
Terrific is boring. Flamboyant, and/or controversial in some way, tends to boost ratings.
I'm sick of it, too.
Seems like the lowest common denominator fo TV viewers keeps getting lower every year Mike.
its baffling to me that hoyer automatically gets the job. He played decent in those 3 games, not amazing. 3 games should never solidify a starting spot. They should let the quarterbacks compete. Hoyers resume is nothing special so far in his career, if he beats out manziel by looking better than him im ok with that. But to tell johnny to act like a backup is bad. All backups should be preparing like they are starters.
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That makes sense. I try to counsel Browns fans not to smack talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers until we have swept them one season. Still, that being said, fuck the Pittsburgh Steelers and the pigs they rode in on.Lovingly Gay said:
The point is that there is a reason Johnny was there at 22. Can't you see that? Do you honestly believe that the team that has done THE worst job of drafting and performing for the past 40 years is really smarter than the rest of the NFL world?
Why not be excited but contain the boasting and trash talking until the organization and the new QB actually do something?
An Hoorta there are plenty of haters. There were guys rooted for the Browns to lose so Bill Belichick would be fired. I've seen guys wearing Miami and Dallas jerseys.
WSS
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People can't seem to get it through their heads that this is a new FO with many new players. There's no reason to think the Browns will suck again based on past events by people who are no longer around. The worst decisions of the past personnel have been taken care of.
However that being said, talk is cheap, prove it on the field.
As for the constant changes, well the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
And since when have the Browns done the worst job drafting and performing for the past 40 years? Besides that's the magic number in the stories of the Bible, so I guess it's time for it to come to an end.
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People can't seem to get it through their heads that this is a new FO with many new players. There's no reason to think the Browns will suck again based on past events by people who are no longer around. The worst decisions of the past personnel have been taken care of.
However that being said, talk is cheap, prove it on the field.
As for the constant changes, well the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
And since when have the Browns done the worst job drafting and performing for the past 40 years? Besides that's the magic number in the stories of the Bible, so I guess it's time for it to come to an end.
Lovingly Gay said:
People can't seem to get it through their heads that this is a new FO with many new players. There's no reason to think the Browns will suck again based on past events by people who are no longer around. The worst decisions of the past personnel have been taken care of. True.....but there is also no reason to believe that a group of people with zero experience will succeed.
Then I guess we are at a draw until we see how this season unfolds. But you can't expect a trip right to the SB first year out with new people either. Haslam was misdirected and on a learning curve his first time out as a sole NFL owner. He quickly uprighted the ship before it sunk, IMO. I don't expect non-Browns fans to see a difference in the changes, but you can be certain Browns fans feel the difference this time. Again, not expecting super-stardom right out of the gates.
However that being said, talk is cheap, prove it on the field. Exactly
As for the constant changes, well the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
And since when have the Browns done the worst job drafting and performing for the past 40 years? Besides that's the magic number in the stories of the Bible, so I guess it's time for it to come to an end. Since the 1970 merger, which is just a point of reference no more no less, the Browns have the worst record and have drafted the highest (they might be second worst). Certainly true for the last 15 years.
Ok then. I'll accept a statement of the past 15 years (even if it might not be completely accurate, but you even admitted maybe second worst), but not 40 years as that's just wrong.
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i want johnny football because i want to see our qb taunt the opponent, make the money sign in ben rothelisburgers face and take a shit on andy daltons head
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i want johnny football because i want to see our qb taunt the opponent, make the money sign in ben rothelisburgers face and take a shit on andy daltons head
Because that's what it takes to win division games?@everlastingxxx said:
I think there is a serious lack of talent on the Browns offense. Its not just a QB problem. The good thing is you dont need need many points with the Browns D. A guy like Manziel can get you that last game winning drive.
Your whole premise screams for a game manager at QB... and that ain't JM...its baffling to me that hoyer automatically gets the job. He played decent in those 3 games, not amazing. 3 games should never solidify a starting spot. They should let the quarterbacks compete. Hoyers resume is nothing special so far in his career, if he beats out manziel by looking better than him im ok with that. But to tell johnny to act like a backup is bad. All backups should be preparing like they are starters.
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Hoyer has not "automatically gotten the job". He is simply the current #1 QB on the depth chart. Pattine has said the starting job will be a competition. Also said Manziel was "inconsistent" at yesterday's OTA and that was understandable because the system is so new to him. Farmer said that at this point Hoyer is far ahead.
"... Farmer said on Bull & Fox that Hoyer is the better quarterback 'by a substantial margin'."
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/21/ray-farmer-hoyer-is-better-than-manziel-by-a-substantial-margin/
But that's as of now... long time till Sept.Tough Division? If you have been watching TV, national commentators no longer consider the AFCN a "tough" division.
Ravens and Steelers are considered mediocre or below. There is really not much respect for the Bengals even though they are defending division champs. The Browns seem to be the most interesting and exciting team, with as much talent as any other, but haven't learned how to win.
Yup... Most early Vegas lines and many other sources project the AFCN as a whole to be mediocre with our "champion" winning 9 games and the other 3 teams at 8-8 or 7-9.
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i want johnny football because i want to see our qb taunt the opponent, make the money sign in ben rothelisburgers face and take a shit on andy daltons head
Because that's what it takes to win division games?@everlastingxxx said:
I think there is a serious lack of talent on the Browns offense. Its not just a QB problem. The good thing is you dont need need many points with the Browns D. A guy like Manziel can get you that last game winning drive.
Your whole premise screams for a game manager at QB... and that ain't JM...its baffling to me that hoyer automatically gets the job. He played decent in those 3 games, not amazing. 3 games should never solidify a starting spot. They should let the quarterbacks compete. Hoyers resume is nothing special so far in his career, if he beats out manziel by looking better than him im ok with that. But to tell johnny to act like a backup is bad. All backups should be preparing like they are starters.
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Hoyer has not "automatically gotten the job". He is simply the current #1 QB on the depth chart. Pattine has said the starting job will be a competition. Also said Manziel was "inconsistent" at yesterday's OTA and that was understandable because the system is so new to him. Farmer said that at this point Hoyer is far ahead.
"... Farmer said on Bull & Fox that Hoyer is the better quarterback 'by a substantial margin'."
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/21/ray-farmer-hoyer-is-better-than-manziel-by-a-substantial-margin/
But that's as of now... long time till Sept.Tough Division? If you have been watching TV, national commentators no longer consider the AFCN a "tough" division.
Ravens and Steelers are considered mediocre or below. There is really not much respect for the Bengals even though they are defending division champs. The Browns seem to be the most interesting and exciting team, with as much talent as any other, but haven't learned how to win.
Yup... Most early Vegas lines and many other sources project the AFCN as a whole to be mediocre with our "champion" winning 9 games and the other 3 teams at 8-8 or 7-9.
Sorry... can't edit the quotes so they separate... Microsoft strikes again...
You can't multiquote the responses?
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