Jonathan Paul Manziel

The Gipper

@taco918 said:

I concur. That is an insult of the highest order for an Oklahoman. I don't think I can be Gipper's friend on the interwebz anymore.

But in all seriousness that's like using the N word for us. Not cool Gipper, not cool.

OK, but I have still not read anything to make me see any differences.

The Gipper

@taco918 said:

It saddens me that it needs to be explained to you, it truly does.

Where to start? We've significantly smaller obviously. Despite our small stature, we've produced some of the greatest athletes and/or coaches (Jim Thorpe, Mickey Mantle, Johnny Bench, Bobby Cox, Troy Aikman, Warren Spahn, Bill Self, and Wes Welker to name a few) artist (Will Rodgers, Garth motherfucking Brooks, Woody Guthrie, Brad Pitt, Ron Howard, Chuck motherfucking Norris, and my one of my personal favorites, Bill Hader) talent this country has ever seen. It would be interesting to see the per capita information on said talent based on state. (I assume Gipper has this information tucked away somewhere.) I guarantee Oklahoma would rank up there.

However the biggest difference, despite my boast above (which could completely ruin my next argument, but what can I say, I'm proud to be an Oklahoman), is that we are much humbler than Texans. I know that's like saying we're nicer than Hitler but it is what it is.

FWI I feel like this is, at least, the second time I've had to defend Oklahoma on this board in my relatively short (2-3 years I believe) time here. I'm assuming the first was due to the Weeden debacle which I apologize again for. That first round of the draft was my least favorite time as a Browns fan and that's saying something.

Well, if you think it was my intent to stir up any feudal aspects between Oklahomans and Texans....you would be right.

LovesJohnnysWood

Zombo said:

What have Farmer and Pettine done to make you think their shit is not already together?

They've been on the job 5 months and they've already added three quality starters on defense, upgraded the depth everywhere and drafted your boyfriend. Who the fuck are you to say their shit is not together? I suspect you kinda like it loosely packed anyway.

Zombo

I didn't say their shit isn't together.

I said it remains to be seen.

Have yall had your shit together the last 30 years? You've seen bust after bust, why would these clowns be any different?

Or does that logic merely apply to QBs?

LovesJohnnysWood

@miktoxic said:

what pain is that, you?

we've tried, nothing works.

The pain of your existance.

The Gipper

TyperWoods said:

"Who the hell is Gordon?"

-everyone outside of Cleveland

Don't watch/follow pro ball much?

Only player in NFL history to have 200 yard games receiving back to back.

Here is a clue for you about football......a quarterback may throw....but he has to have someone to catch.

Zombo

TyperWoods said:

I didn't say their shit isn't together.

I said it remains to be seen.

Have yall had your shit together the last 30 years? You've seen bust after bust, why would these clowns be any different?

Or does that logic merely apply to QBs?

So now Farmer and Petine are clowns? I think it is time to apply Steeler fan rules to Johnny Jismlovers.

Zombo

LovesJohnnysWood

@the-gipper said:
What makes you think we give a shit what people outside of Cleveland think. Haven't you been on this site long enough to know that by now?

From yalls responses to outsiders, you sure seem to give a shit.

LMAO

LovesJohnnysWood

@the-gipper said:

Don't watch/follow pro ball much?

Only player in NFL history to have 200 yard games receiving back to back.

Here is a clue for you about football......a quarterback may throw....but he has to have someone to catch.

I figure miltoxic is the catcher on this board...

The Gipper

TyperWoods said:

Rookie coach, either a washout QB with a bum knee or a rookie QB thats short, questionable recievers.... no superbowl this year.

However, perhaps in a couple of years if Pettine, Farmer, and Haslam get their shit together.

Here is another clue for ye who apparently has no clue how the pro game is played: Defense is what will make or break this team.

JFF could be as good as Archie Manning (who I actually compare him most closely to).....but if the Browns defense were to be anything like the Saints were for Big Archie, then Little Archie won't accomplish diddly.

LovesJohnnysWood

Zombo said:

So now Farmer and Petine are clowns? I think it is time to apply Steeler fan rules to Johnny Jismlovers.

Zombo

They have done nothing to prove otherwise, have they?

LovesJohnnysWood

@the-gipper said:

Here is another clue for ye who apparently has no clue how the pro game is played: Defense is what will make or break this team.

JFF could be as good as Archie Manning (who I actually compare him most closely to).....but if the Browns defense were to be anything like the Saints were for Big Archie, then Little Archie won't accomplish diddly.

Hey, sounds like the Ravens.

miktoxic

@lovesjohnnyswood said:
The pain of your existance.

LOL at you.

The Gipper

@douche-nozzle said:

Possibly......but the odds are astronomical that all the rookies in key positions will gel.

Rookie owner

Rookie FO

Rookie Head Coach

Rookie QB

Factor in the surroundings and the odds are too big to calculate. Well......maybe not too big to calculate, Vegas has the Browns at 75-1 behind a handful of other teams with no chance.

Do we think the Browns will win the Super Bowl. No, not likely. Will they much much improved? Likely. Do they have as much or more talent on this roster as the other teams in their division? Most assuredly. Do they have the temperment/ability/chutzpah to start winning? Most undecided. Does the future look good (or at least better than at the end of last year)? Absolutely.

Zombo

@lovesjohnnyswood said:
They have done nothing to prove otherwise, have they?

A decade each moving up up the NFL ranks.

I would clearly get behind him them if you plan on being a Browns fan, what fun is it not believe in your own team?

Or are you just a fan of one man?

Because ... that's actually called "homosexuality".

Not that there's anything wrong with that ...

Zombo

The Gipper

@lovesjohnnyswood said:

I didn't say their shit isn't together.

I said it remains to be seen.

Have yall had your shit together the last 30 years? You've seen bust after bust, why would these clowns be any different?

Why wouldn't they? Explain that.

Or does that logic merely apply to QBs?

If we apply your logic, then JFF will be a bust...all on his own. Is that what you look forward to?

AL_BROWNS_FAN

@the-gipper said:

Here is another clue for ye who apparently has no clue how the pro game is played: Defense is what will make or break this team.

JFF could be as good as Archie Manning (who I actually compare him most closely to).....but if the Browns defense were to be anything like the Saints were for Big Archie, then Little Archie won't accomplish diddly.

When I was watching film of Archie on the ESPN show on the Mannings, I saw the similarity as well. Too bad that Archie never plated on a better team.

The Gipper

@lovesjohnnyswood said:

From yalls responses to outsiders, you sure seem to give a shit.

LMAO

Our observation is that most of you JFF fanboys have little knowledge/understanding of the pro game....and particularly the history of the game....or lack knowledge of the passion that real football fans have for their team.

We are trying to educate you.....but you have to meet us halfway and not be such slow learners.

The Gipper

@lovesjohnnyswood said:
Hey, sounds like the Ravens.

Once upon a time the Ravens had a great defense, yes. The Browns are efforting to have that same capability.

But, yes, championships are most often built with great defenses and good QBs.

Do you know where we might get a good QB?

We have one in mind, but it is way to early to tell now, isn't it.

hoorta

@douche-nozzle said:

I get a kick out of reading and listening to hype about JF. Browns fans and media discuss whether he will win the Super Bowl this year or if it will have to wait until next year.

The reality is that there is a reason he was available at 22 and there is a ton of skepticism about his overall ability. Granted, the pundits are often wrong but when there are as many of them on his down side as there are on his upside, I would take a wait and see attitude.

Some of us "wait and see" guys have mistakenly gotten blasted as hatas by the JFF Love Train.

@mike-h said:

No issue with any of that. I think it's a perception thing, and from my POV, publicity is what defines the "face" of a franchise.

Manziel, right or wrong, is in that position because he's a high profile personality who transcended the game in college. But you're right, if he flops, it's going to be an atom bomb instead of the firecracker of a normal player's flameout.

Thanks for being civil for a change Mike. The thought just occurred to me- the argument that "if you were a kid in his position, you'd do the same" isn't really correct. I forgot about a teenager with even more hype, a big Nike Contract, and unreal ability that to my knowledge didn't pull any of JF's antics. Remember him? Used to play for the Cavs- LeBron James. I'm hoping LBJ and Maverick Carter can knock some sense into him.

Clevfan4life

Oddly enough I'd feel a lot better about JF if we had gotten Mack or Clowney with our 1st pick. In that case, Manziel would have been a 1st round flyer we could all feel reasonable about even if he bombed out.....cause we could say at least we got "so and so" with the 1st pick. Given that I don't know much about Gilbert, this shit every weekend with Manziel is starting to wear thin. Like in my mind he's not a flyer anymore that we can just cut loose...we're kind of all in. Some would say well what's the difference where we got him? It may be none, but for some reason I just feel like if we had gotten one of those top defensive talents that Manziel would be less of an issue. I thought it was all pretty funny up to this point, but the whole looking like a doosh bag talking into a stack of money just isn't the look I was hoping for. Up on a club stage in full control of his mental faculties with a look on his face that says "you see all this dime ass around me, I can take my pick"...that I was all for. Looking like a dbag frat kid, not so much. You can't really make the argument the kids looking like a warrior at this point. Lets face it, to play any professional sport in Cleveland requires a certain war mentality. I hope he gets it at some point and saves the partying for his private affairs.