Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Zombo said:
What have Farmer and Pettine done to make you think their shit is not already together?
They've been on the job 5 months and they've already added three quality starters on defense, upgraded the depth everywhere and drafted your boyfriend. Who the fuck are you to say their shit is not together? I suspect you kinda like it loosely packed anyway.
Zombo
I didn't say their shit isn't together.
I said it remains to be seen.
Have yall had your shit together the last 30 years? You've seen bust after bust, why would these clowns be any different?
Or does that logic merely apply to QBs?
TyperWoods said:
I didn't say their shit isn't together.
I said it remains to be seen.
Have yall had your shit together the last 30 years? You've seen bust after bust, why would these clowns be any different?
Or does that logic merely apply to QBs?
So now Farmer and Petine are clowns? I think it is time to apply Steeler fan rules to Johnny Jismlovers.
Zombo
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TyperWoods said:
You guys talk like being the face of the Browns is something to be proud of.
Outside of Cleveland, right now it's a joke.
Now, should the Browns return to respectability, it might be something to be proud of.
What makes you think we give a shit what people outside of Cleveland think. Haven't you been on this site long enough to know that by now?
What makes you think we give a shit what people outside of Cleveland think. Haven't you been on this site long enough to know that by now?
From yalls responses to outsiders, you sure seem to give a shit.
LMAO
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TyperWoods said:
"Who the hell is Gordon?"
-everyone outside of Cleveland
Don't watch/follow pro ball much?
Only player in NFL history to have 200 yard games receiving back to back.
Here is a clue for you about football......a quarterback may throw....but he has to have someone to catch.
Don't watch/follow pro ball much?
Only player in NFL history to have 200 yard games receiving back to back.
Here is a clue for you about football......a quarterback may throw....but he has to have someone to catch.
I figure miltoxic is the catcher on this board...
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@douche-nozzle said:
I get a kick out of reading and listening to hype about JF. Browns fans and media discuss whether he will win the Super Bowl this year or if it will have to wait until next year.
The reality is that there is a reason he was available at 22 and there is a ton of skepticism about his overall ability. Granted, the pundits are often wrong but when there are as many of them on his down side as there are on his upside, I would take a wait and see attitude.
Rookie coach, either a washout QB with a bum knee or a rookie QB thats short, questionable recievers.... no superbowl this year.
However, perhaps in a couple of years if Pettine, Farmer, and Haslam get their shit together.
TyperWoods said:
Rookie coach, either a washout QB with a bum knee or a rookie QB thats short, questionable recievers.... no superbowl this year.
However, perhaps in a couple of years if Pettine, Farmer, and Haslam get their shit together.
Here is another clue for ye who apparently has no clue how the pro game is played: Defense is what will make or break this team.
JFF could be as good as Archie Manning (who I actually compare him most closely to).....but if the Browns defense were to be anything like the Saints were for Big Archie, then Little Archie won't accomplish diddly.
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TyperWoods said:
I didn't say their shit isn't together.
I said it remains to be seen.
Have yall had your shit together the last 30 years? You've seen bust after bust, why would these clowns be any different?
Or does that logic merely apply to QBs?
So now Farmer and Petine are clowns? I think it is time to apply Steeler fan rules to Johnny Jismlovers.
Zombo
Zombo said:
So now Farmer and Petine are clowns? I think it is time to apply Steeler fan rules to Johnny Jismlovers.
Zombo
They have done nothing to prove otherwise, have they?
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TyperWoods said:
Rookie coach, either a washout QB with a bum knee or a rookie QB thats short, questionable recievers.... no superbowl this year.
However, perhaps in a couple of years if Pettine, Farmer, and Haslam get their shit together.
Here is another clue for ye who apparently has no clue how the pro game is played: Defense is what will make or break this team.
JFF could be as good as Archie Manning (who I actually compare him most closely to).....but if the Browns defense were to be anything like the Saints were for Big Archie, then Little Archie won't accomplish diddly.
Here is another clue for ye who apparently has no clue how the pro game is played: Defense is what will make or break this team.
JFF could be as good as Archie Manning (who I actually compare him most closely to).....but if the Browns defense were to be anything like the Saints were for Big Archie, then Little Archie won't accomplish diddly.
Hey, sounds like the Ravens.
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The pain of your existance.
LOL at you.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Possibly......but the odds are astronomical that all the rookies in key positions will gel.
Rookie owner
Rookie FO
Rookie Head Coach
Rookie QB
Factor in the surroundings and the odds are too big to calculate. Well......maybe not too big to calculate, Vegas has the Browns at 75-1 behind a handful of other teams with no chance.
Do we think the Browns will win the Super Bowl. No, not likely. Will they much much improved? Likely. Do they have as much or more talent on this roster as the other teams in their division? Most assuredly. Do they have the temperment/ability/chutzpah to start winning? Most undecided. Does the future look good (or at least better than at the end of last year)? Absolutely.
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Zombo said:
So now Farmer and Petine are clowns? I think it is time to apply Steeler fan rules to Johnny Jismlovers.
Zombo
They have done nothing to prove otherwise, have they?
They have done nothing to prove otherwise, have they?
A decade each moving up up the NFL ranks.
I would clearly get behind him them if you plan on being a Browns fan, what fun is it not believe in your own team?
Or are you just a fan of one man?
Because ... that's actually called "homosexuality".
Not that there's anything wrong with that ...
Zombo
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Zombo said:
What have Farmer and Pettine done to make you think their shit is not already together?
They've been on the job 5 months and they've already added three quality starters on defense, upgraded the depth everywhere and drafted your boyfriend. Who the fuck are you to say their shit is not together? I suspect you kinda like it loosely packed anyway.
Zombo
I didn't say their shit isn't together.
I said it remains to be seen.
Have yall had your shit together the last 30 years? You've seen bust after bust, why would these clowns be any different?
Or does that logic merely apply to QBs?
I didn't say their shit isn't together.
I said it remains to be seen.
Have yall had your shit together the last 30 years? You've seen bust after bust, why would these clowns be any different?
Why wouldn't they? Explain that.
Or does that logic merely apply to QBs?
If we apply your logic, then JFF will be a bust...all on his own. Is that what you look forward to?
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TyperWoods said:
Rookie coach, either a washout QB with a bum knee or a rookie QB thats short, questionable recievers.... no superbowl this year.
However, perhaps in a couple of years if Pettine, Farmer, and Haslam get their shit together.
Here is another clue for ye who apparently has no clue how the pro game is played: Defense is what will make or break this team.
JFF could be as good as Archie Manning (who I actually compare him most closely to).....but if the Browns defense were to be anything like the Saints were for Big Archie, then Little Archie won't accomplish diddly.
Here is another clue for ye who apparently has no clue how the pro game is played: Defense is what will make or break this team.
JFF could be as good as Archie Manning (who I actually compare him most closely to).....but if the Browns defense were to be anything like the Saints were for Big Archie, then Little Archie won't accomplish diddly.
Here is another clue for ye who apparently has no clue how the pro game is played: Defense is what will make or break this team.
JFF could be as good as Archie Manning (who I actually compare him most closely to).....but if the Browns defense were to be anything like the Saints were for Big Archie, then Little Archie won't accomplish diddly.
When I was watching film of Archie on the ESPN show on the Mannings, I saw the similarity as well. Too bad that Archie never plated on a better team.
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What makes you think we give a shit what people outside of Cleveland think. Haven't you been on this site long enough to know that by now?
From yalls responses to outsiders, you sure seem to give a shit.
LMAO
From yalls responses to outsiders, you sure seem to give a shit.
LMAO
Our observation is that most of you JFF fanboys have little knowledge/understanding of the pro game....and particularly the history of the game....or lack knowledge of the passion that real football fans have for their team.
We are trying to educate you.....but you have to meet us halfway and not be such slow learners.
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Here is another clue for ye who apparently has no clue how the pro game is played: Defense is what will make or break this team.
JFF could be as good as Archie Manning (who I actually compare him most closely to).....but if the Browns defense were to be anything like the Saints were for Big Archie, then Little Archie won't accomplish diddly.
Hey, sounds like the Ravens.
Hey, sounds like the Ravens.
Once upon a time the Ravens had a great defense, yes. The Browns are efforting to have that same capability.
But, yes, championships are most often built with great defenses and good QBs.
Do you know where we might get a good QB?
We have one in mind, but it is way to early to tell now, isn't it.
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@douche-nozzle said:
I get a kick out of reading and listening to hype about JF. Browns fans and media discuss whether he will win the Super Bowl this year or if it will have to wait until next year.
The reality is that there is a reason he was available at 22 and there is a ton of skepticism about his overall ability. Granted, the pundits are often wrong but when there are as many of them on his down side as there are on his upside, I would take a wait and see attitude.
Some of us "wait and see" guys have mistakenly gotten blasted as hatas by the JFF Love Train.
@mike-h said:
No issue with any of that. I think it's a perception thing, and from my POV, publicity is what defines the "face" of a franchise.
Manziel, right or wrong, is in that position because he's a high profile personality who transcended the game in college. But you're right, if he flops, it's going to be an atom bomb instead of the firecracker of a normal player's flameout.
Thanks for being civil for a change Mike. The thought just occurred to me- the argument that "if you were a kid in his position, you'd do the same" isn't really correct. I forgot about a teenager with even more hype, a big Nike Contract, and unreal ability that to my knowledge didn't pull any of JF's antics. Remember him? Used to play for the Cavs- LeBron James. I'm hoping LBJ and Maverick Carter can knock some sense into him.
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Oddly enough I'd feel a lot better about JF if we had gotten Mack or Clowney with our 1st pick. In that case, Manziel would have been a 1st round flyer we could all feel reasonable about even if he bombed out.....cause we could say at least we got "so and so" with the 1st pick. Given that I don't know much about Gilbert, this shit every weekend with Manziel is starting to wear thin. Like in my mind he's not a flyer anymore that we can just cut loose...we're kind of all in. Some would say well what's the difference where we got him? It may be none, but for some reason I just feel like if we had gotten one of those top defensive talents that Manziel would be less of an issue. I thought it was all pretty funny up to this point, but the whole looking like a doosh bag talking into a stack of money just isn't the look I was hoping for. Up on a club stage in full control of his mental faculties with a look on his face that says "you see all this dime ass around me, I can take my pick"...that I was all for. Looking like a dbag frat kid, not so much. You can't really make the argument the kids looking like a warrior at this point. Lets face it, to play any professional sport in Cleveland requires a certain war mentality. I hope he gets it at some point and saves the partying for his private affairs.
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you mean Brady? His initials are BQ.......??
VesnaKociper said:
I think it is interesting that he has he same initials are Bernie.
Don't you wish that the odds of the Browns winning the Superbowl were as good as Bernie getting arrested again for DUI?
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Oddly enough I'd feel a lot better about JF if we had gotten Mack or Clowney with our 1st pick. In that case, Manziel would have been a 1st round flyer we could all feel reasonable about even if he bombed out.....cause we could say at least we got "so and so" with the 1st pick. Given that I don't know much about Gilbert, this shit every weekend with Manziel is starting to wear thin. Like in my mind he's not a flyer anymore that we can just cut loose...we're kind of all in. Some would say well what's the difference where we got him? It may be none, but for some reason I just feel like if we had gotten one of those top defensive talents that Manziel would be less of an issue. I thought it was all pretty funny up to this point, but the whole looking like a doosh bag talking into a stack of money just isn't the look I was hoping for. Up on a club stage in full control of his mental faculties with a look on his face that says "you see all this dime ass around me, I can take my pick"...that I was all for. Looking like a dbag frat kid, not so much. You can't really make the argument the kids looking like a warrior at this point. Lets face it, to play any professional sport in Cleveland requires a certain war mentality. I hope he gets it at some point and saves the partying for his private affairs.
I just feel like if we had gotten one of those top defensive talents that Manziel would be less of an issue.
we got one of those top defensive talents. just so happens that he plays corner, which beside pass rusher might be the most important position on that side of the ball.
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Haven't the Browns had a bunch of head coaches come in and fail? Haven't yall watched that?
Why is Pettine any different.
He needs to prove it first.
Haven't the Browns had a bunch of head coaches come in and fail? Haven't yall watched that?
Why is Pettine any different.
He needs to prove it first.
Of course- Pettine is the Head Coach- whether he will be a good (or great) HC remains to be seen. I like what I've seen- so far. He's certainly more impressive at this point that good old Pat Sure-loss, who looked clueless from the get-go.
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Do they have the temperment/ability/chutzpah to start winning?
Speaking of archie. jf broken his 43 year old sec record of most single game offensive yardage his freshman season only to put up almost 600 yards a few weeks later. i gotta belive jf is
up there near the top when it comes to chutzpah potential. broken cystal ball, notwithstanding, jf brings an edge that could potentially deliver a culture of winning so sorely missed in
clevleand
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You've proved my point.Well, one never knows. Sure....Pettine is in his first HC gig after some years as a defensive coach/DC. And you want to compare him to another DC that pretty much failed as an HC in the NFL.
But then....a few other names fit that same bill: Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Don Shula...and a number of others.
It's silly at this point to lump Manziel in with either Weeden, McCoy, Quinn, OR Sipe, Kosar, Graham.
So why dont you backups on this boatd stop it and start posting like champions?
You've proved my point.
It's silly at this point to lump Manziel in with either Weeden, McCoy, Quinn, OR Sipe, Kosar, Graham.
So why dont you backups on this boatd stop it and start posting like champions?
OK, if that is your point, I completely agree. No one knows the future of this kid.
(but I am not comprehending your second sentence...say what?)
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