Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Here's the game plan:
1. Hoyer Starts and lights it up
2. Hoyer starts and sucks, Manziel comes in and lights it up
3. Hoyer starts and sucks, Manziel comes and and sucks
4. Go all in on Mariota or Winston or Hundley
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I would expect a 4 yr plus pro QB to overshadow a rookie with three days of august camp under his belt in terms of communications, huddle/line awareness, and every other fucking facet
of fundamental NFLquarterbacking. JF has shown the ability to turn nothing into something after a play breaks down.....evidently not one of Hoys top assets. Furthermore, blowing
up his knee last season surely isn't going to bolster his confidence when the time comes to tuck and boogie. Whether or not JFF can dovetail his ad lib skills from the college to pro stage
is the million dollar question. Maybe the rag masters should at least wait until he plays a quarter in a preseason game to critique .
Who knows, maybe the JFF circus will turn out to be just what Hoyer needed to get some traction and morph into all he can be.
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Where does this idea that Hoyer is a game manager and Manziel is a reckless QB come from?
Hoyer has a completion % of under 60% (bad) and in one of his two full games last year he had 3 INTs.
NOTHING he has ever done has shown him to be a great game "manager" He's played pretty much like a guy who is a backup QB.
Manziel was 3rd in the Nation in QB rating. 5th in completion %. In the SEC. Thats pretty good.
You can talk over and over about what Hoyer is and what Manziel is, but it's not based on anything you've seen on the field.
The idea Hoyer could be Kurt Warner, or even Rich Gannon is INSANE. He has yet to do a single thing that would draw that conclusion. Why because teams have cut him and he looked good against the Bengals? I mean honestly people do you have any clue how crazy that is to see two games from Hoyer last year and draw the conclusion of Kurt Warner? Only because he made the offense look good instead of the dog crap it looked like under Weeden (Who may I add Hoyer couldn't beat out during last preseason).
I don't know if Manziel is going to be Great, Good, or bad, but he has a skillset that could be very good and has performed at an elite level against the best the college level has to offer, SEC.
However I promise you, no matter how much you want to wish it, that Hoyer is not going to end up Kurt Warner.
People talk about all the Manziel "anus sniffing" there is just because people are excited about him....I would say the Hoyer dick sucking around here is something WAYYYY beyond any Manziel love.
People are taking a career backup, who was cut by the Cardinals, couldn't beat out Weeden last year, and played TWO FULL GAMES last year at a decent level before tearing his ACL...the next Kurt Warner? Thats is hyperbole that exceeds anything you could possibly find on this website written about Manziel.HoyerHater said:
Only because he made the offense look good instead of the dog crap it looked like under Weeden (Who may I add Hoyer couldn't beat out during last preseason).
I don't know if Manziel is going to be Great, Good, or bad, but he has a skillset that could be very good and has performed at an elite level against the best the college level has to offer, SEC.
However I promise you, no matter how much you want to wish it, that Hoyer is not going to end up Kurt Warner.
Hoyer was on the team for like a week last preseason games. do you even know what the fuck you are talking about??
are you an ignorant new Browns fan i need to decide if i wanna tolerate reading or a troll?
check it out Manziel fanboy, Brian Hoyer didn't just win against the Bengals, he beat a top 5 defense, took everything they could throw at him in stride. he can read defenses IN THE NFL. defensive coordinators around the league already know he can beat the blitz.
Johnny Manziel could start all season and not know half of what Brian Hoyer knows about playing in the NFL. it will happen. just enjoy it.
much of life is about the journey as much as the destination.
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Here's the game plan:
1. Hoyer Starts and lights it up
2. Hoyer starts and sucks, Manziel comes in and lights it up
3. Hoyer starts and sucks, Manziel comes and and sucks
4. Go all in on Mariota or Winston or Hundley
Here's the game plan:
1. Hoyer Starts and lights it up
2. Hoyer starts and sucks, Manziel comes in and lights it up
3. Hoyer starts and sucks, Manziel comes and and sucks
4. Go all in on Mariota or Winston or Hundley
bet ur favorite holiday is Christmas
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The chances of the Browns making the Super Bowl in the next 6 years are greater with Johnny Manziel than with Brian Hoyer.
That I believe, and I don't believe it's really close.
I have yet to see what anyone else sees in Hoyer. Rewatch that Minnesota game, tell me that's a NFL starting QB. There is a reason why Arizona cut the guy. There's a reason why Hoyer was 3rd on the depth chart out of camp last year, BEHIND CAMPBELL and not even close to Weeden. Who was awful.
There's a reason the Browns drafted a QB in the first round this year. Hoyer isn't the guy. Great guy. Good enough to be in the league. Good mentor. Not a viable NFL starting QB. He is a backup, who is now just a placeholder until Manziel is ready.
So yes, if you told me that a QB on the roster this year would lead the Browns the Super Bowl in the future, I'd bet all my money that its Johnny Manziel.
Well, then Johnny should have NO TROUBLE beating out such an inferior QB, and should do so with gusto................... We are all going to see soon enough, and if he wins the job, you card holding Johnny Lovers of America members will be screaming "I told you so" and "I loved him from the start, and you didn't, so I'm a better fan than you".
But if he doesn't beat out such a pathetic QB, then you guys will all be crying, and proclaiming "That the coaching staff didn't give him a fair shot", and "They don't know shit about football".
Either way, I will be rooting for the 53 players that make up the Cleveland Browns.............. You should try it.
Well, then Johnny should have NO TROUBLE beating out such an inferior QB, and should do so with gusto................... We are all going to see soon enough, and if he wins the job, you card holding Johnny Lovers of America members will be screaming "I told you so" and "I loved him from the start, and you didn't, so I'm a better fan than you".
But if he doesn't beat out such a pathetic QB, then you guys will all be crying, and proclaiming "That the coaching staff didn't give him a fair shot", and "They don't know shit about football".
Either way, I will be rooting for the 53 players that make up the Cleveland Browns.............. You should try it.
Well he's going to beat Hoyer out, eventually....Week 1 maybe not, but at some point Manziel is the starter and Hoyer is not. You know that right? I mean Manziel was drafted to replace Hoyer, so in a way he's already beat out the inferior QB.
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HoyerHater said:
Only because he made the offense look good instead of the dog crap it looked like under Weeden (Who may I add Hoyer couldn't beat out during last preseason).
I don't know if Manziel is going to be Great, Good, or bad, but he has a skillset that could be very good and has performed at an elite level against the best the college level has to offer, SEC.
However I promise you, no matter how much you want to wish it, that Hoyer is not going to end up Kurt Warner.
Hoyer was on the team for like a week last preseason games. do you even know what the fuck you are talking about??
are you an ignorant new Browns fan i need to decide if i wanna tolerate reading or a troll?
check it out Manziel fanboy, Brian Hoyer didn't just win against the Bengals, he beat a top 5 defense, took everything they could throw at him in stride. he can read defenses IN THE NFL. defensive coordinators around the league already know he can beat the blitz.
Johnny Manziel could start all season and not know half of what Brian Hoyer knows about playing in the NFL. it will happen. just enjoy it.
much of life is about the journey as much as the destination.
Hoyer was on the team for like a week last preseason games. do you even know what the fuck you are talking about??
are you an ignorant new Browns fan i need to decide if i wanna tolerate reading or a troll?
check it out Manziel fanboy, Brian Hoyer didn't just win against the Bengals, he beat a top 5 defense, took everything they could throw at him in stride. he can read defenses IN THE NFL. defensive coordinators around the league already know he can beat the blitz.
Johnny Manziel could start all season and not know half of what Brian Hoyer knows about playing in the NFL. it will happen. just enjoy it.
much of life is about the journey as much as the destination.
You dont know what you're talking about. Hoyer was signed by the Browns in May of 2013 after being cut by the Cardinals. So I ask you, are you ignorant or a troll. You don't seem to know much about what you're talking about.
He had one good game against the Bengals. It happens. I could list a ton of average to below average QBs who put back to back wins together over the last few years, and with better stats than Hoyer. Usually a QB can replace a starter and have some success mostly because teams don't know how to prepare for the new guy. Once film is out and they adjust then you see regression.
Clearly Hoyer knows more about the NFL than Manziel since he's been in the league since 2009. However he only had 3 full games worth of experience and in those games he wasn't amazing. I bet Manziel will start more than 4 games in his first 5 years in the league and theres a reason for that.
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girlz from texas in da house.
stockuponshorts must be a dj cuz she sure knows how to loop her rap...to bad she only has one beat.
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****TO CLARIFY****
I DO NOT THINK MANZIEL'S COLLEGE STATS MEAN ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO FREE POINTS ON AN NFL SCOREBOARD
Now, when you discuss a player, discussing his past matters.
he's the first QB under 6' drafted in the first round and you're going to tell me his stats don't matter? What does?
Sorry, if it doesn't help your agnda. Saying history is insignificant and means jack shit is ignorant. Now, do I think he will match his college stats? no. But trying to erase the guys history is disingenuous., there are no comparablesto manziel. none.
quit saying the guys past doesn't matter in one breath while complaining about a twitter pic in the next.
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Here's the game plan:
1. Hoyer Starts and lights it up
2. Hoyer starts and sucks, Manziel comes in and lights it up
3. Hoyer starts and sucks, Manziel comes and and sucks
4. Go all in on Mariota or Winston or Hundley
bet ur favorite holiday is Christmas
bet ur favorite holiday is Christmas
I bet your really creative in the writing process.
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Remember that game "Lets Make a Deal"
They would give someone in the audience a prize, like a dishwasher and then they'd say "Ok you can either keep this dishwasher OR trade it in for what's in the box" and in the box there would be either a Zonk prize like fake money or a oversized pair of jeans OR in the box there could be a trip to Hawaii or keys to a new car.
Well thats Hoyer and Manziel. We have our dishwasher, and in Manziel we either are going to get a something amazing or Zonk.
For all the years the Browns have been stuck in neutral, I want whats in the box. The dishwasher is fine, but its just a dishwasher. Give me the chance for the big prize. -
Remember that game "Lets Make a Deal"
They would give someone in the audience a prize, like a dishwasher and then they'd say "Ok you can either keep this dishwasher OR trade it in for what's in the box" and in the box there would be either a Zonk prize like fake money or a oversized pair of jeans OR in the box there could be a trip to Hawaii or keys to a new car.
Well thats Hoyer and Manziel. We have our dishwasher, and in Manziel we either are going to get a something amazing or Zonk.
For all the years the Browns have been stuck in neutral, I want whats in the box. The dishwasher is fine, but its just a dishwasher. Give me the chance for the big prize.Remember that game "Lets Make a Deal"
They would give someone in the audience a prize, like a dishwasher and then they'd say "Ok you can either keep this dishwasher OR trade it in for what's in the box" and in the box there would be either a Zonk prize like fake money or a oversized pair of jeans OR in the box there could be a trip to Hawaii or keys to a new car.
Well thats Hoyer and Manziel. We have our dishwasher, and in Manziel we either are going to get a something amazing or Zonk.
For all the years the Browns have been stuck in neutral, I want whats in the box. The dishwasher is fine, but its just a dishwasher. Give me the chance for the big prize.
In that situation, you're actually supposed to switch every single time.
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Manziel certainly has a lot to learn, but he is a 21 year old rookie. I think that when he's ready, he'll do very well. Most of the busts I've seen have plenty of athleticism but lack in the intelligence aspect. Johnny is SMART in addition to his athleticism & instincts. That, to me, is the key to his future success. Right now, he is learning & does what anyone does before they understand their new endeavor...he's over thinking. I know I've done the same when accepting an upgraded position. Then, when I understood what I was expected to do, it became something I didn't have to think about anymore....it literally became an instant reaction. He'll get there. Time will tell whether that's sooner or later. I trust this Coaching staff to start him WHEN he's ready & not before.
Mike
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bet ur favorite holiday is Christmas
I bet your really creative in the writing process.
im better at creative imagining if im being totally honest. im told im like a donald trump of daydreaming.I bet your really creative in the writing process.
so i take it this Manziel fellar is from Texas?? what's his story, he win a big fancy college bowl game or somethin?
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****TO CLARIFY****
I DO NOT THINK MANZIEL'S COLLEGE STATS MEAN ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO FREE POINTS ON AN NFL SCOREBOARD
Now, when you discuss a player, discussing his past matters.
he's the first QB under 6' drafted in the first round and you're going to tell me his stats don't matter? What does?
Sorry, if it doesn't help your agnda. Saying history is insignificant and means jack shit is ignorant. Now, do I think he will match his college stats? no. But trying to erase the guys history is disingenuous., there are no comparablesto manziel. none.
quit saying the guys past doesn't matter in one breath while complaining about a twitter pic in the next.
****TO CLARIFY****
I DO NOT THINK MANZIEL'S COLLEGE STATS MEAN ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO FREE POINTS ON AN NFL SCOREBOARD
Now, when you discuss a player, discussing his past matters.
he's the first QB under 6' drafted in the first round and you're going to tell me his stats don't matter? What does?
Sorry, if it doesn't help your agnda. Saying history is insignificant and means jack shit is ignorant. Now, do I think he will match his college stats? no. But trying to erase the guys history is disingenuous., there are no comparablesto manziel. none.
quit saying the guys past doesn't matter in one breath while complaining about a twitter pic in the next.
the only people that bring up his college stats are the people that want him to get a free pass and be starter with no competition.
i've never brought up his college stuff because it's not relevant. his twatter shit isn't relevant either. what is is how he's doing in TC.
did we pick manziel to be a bench warmer? hell no. can he win the starting job? that's up to him and the coaching staff.
the fans neither pro JF or con JF have nothing to do with it at this point so we're all just spouting shit that matters ZERO in the end.
to just post the same post over and over again is just stupid. we should know after 13 fucking pages of this thread where everyone stands. to keep beating a dead horse, well i guess some people get off on it.
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****TO CLARIFY****
I DO NOT THINK MANZIEL'S COLLEGE STATS MEAN ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO FREE POINTS ON AN NFL SCOREBOARD
Now, when you discuss a player, discussing his past matters.
he's the first QB under 6' drafted in the first round and you're going to tell me his stats don't matter? What does?
Sorry, if it doesn't help your agnda. Saying history is insignificant and means jack shit is ignorant. Now, do I think he will match his college stats? no. But trying to erase the guys history is disingenuous., there are no comparablesto manziel. none.
quit saying the guys past doesn't matter in one breath while complaining about a twitter pic in the next.
the only people that bring up his college stats are the people that want him to get a free pass and be starter with no competition.
i've never brought up his college stuff because it's not relevant. his twatter shit isn't relevant either. what is is how he's doing in TC.
did we pick manziel to be a bench warmer? hell no. can he win the starting job? that's up to him and the coaching staff.
the fans neither pro JF or con JF have nothing to do with it at this point so we're all just spouting shit that matters ZERO in the end.
to just post the same post over and over again is just stupid. we should know after 13 fucking pages of this thread where everyone stands. to keep beating a dead horse, well i guess some people get off on it.
the only people that bring up his college stats are the people that want him to get a free pass and be starter with no competition.
i've never brought up his college stuff because it's not relevant. his twatter shit isn't relevant either. what is is how he's doing in TC.
did we pick manziel to be a bench warmer? hell no. can he win the starting job? that's up to him and the coaching staff.
the fans neither pro JF or con JF have nothing to do with it at this point so we're all just spouting shit that matters ZERO in the end.
to just post the same post over and over again is just stupid. we should know after 13 fucking pages of this thread where everyone stands. to keep beating a dead horse, well i guess some people get off on it.
This is what you don't seem to understand. Manziel has already won the starting job. That's why he was drafted, to be the starter.
Now is that Week 1? That's what TC is for. Probably not, and probably best for everyone that it isn't but if he is ready for Week 1 then it'll be then.
Most likely its after the bye. But even if he's not ready then, whenever he is ready the job is his.
See you seem to think there's some universe where Manziel isn't the starter and Hoyer just holds onto the job. That universe doesn't exist.
Manziel has already won the job, it's not a IF he'll be the starter, it's just WHEN he'll be the starter. It is inevitable.
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"...Willie Beeaaaman..."
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Showers VS Manziel
http://forums.texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=2077755&forum_id=5
a lolz
http://forums.texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=2132169&forum_id=5
after his first game
http://forums.texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=2147248&forum_id=5
I expect this board to mirror.
you guys forget, been here, heard that. his HS stats didn't matter either. kid is special. nothing you've seen before. will it translate? IDK.
I think so though.
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