JF leapfrogs Hoyer (accord. to source)
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Browns' Whitner: Locker room is 'split about 50/50' on Hoyer vs. Manziel
Aug 11 2014, 9:53 AMDavid P. Woods
The most buzzworthy quarterback battle in the NFL this preseason has even divided the locker room where it's taking place.
“It’s been fierce,” Cleveland Browns safety Donte Whitner told Peter King of TheMMQB.com when asked to describe the ongoing competition between incumbent Brian Hoyer and highly touted rookie Johnny Manziel.
“Two guys fighting for their lives. It’s close. I’d say [the locker room] is split about 50/50. We know they both can play.”
A split locker room isn't exactly something NFL coaches strive to achieve, but for now there's no indication that things are getting hostile (or even awkward) behind closed doors in Cleveland.
It's not surprising that the more experienced Hoyer has supporters. He's a local boy who gave the team something it hadn't had in years in his three starts last season: hope. Before tearing his ACL during Week 5, Hoyer looked like he might be a franchise quarterback. Heck, left tackle Joe Thomas even compared him to Tom Brady last month.
But Manziel brings a lot to the table that Hoyer doesn't, including a national following and a reputation as one of the game's most thrilling talents.
The sentiment that Manziel deserves to start is undeniably growing inside the Browns' locker room as it is among the public, and it could reach a fever pitch if Manziel turns in a strong performance in the Brown's second preseason game.
As it happens, that game will be televised nationally on "Monday Night Football."
Manziel Mania is only just beginning.
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Browns' Hoyer: 'This is my team until someone else tells me otherwise'
Aug 11 2014, 1:46 PMDavid P. Woods
Cleveland Browns quarterback Brian Hoyer responded to rumors suggesting he's fallen behind rookie Johnny Manziel in the competition to earn the Browns' starting job by saying he believes the job remains his.
"To me, this is my team until someone else tells me otherwise," Hoyer said after practice Monday, per the NFL Network's Ian Rapoport.
Hoyer added that he's only focused on his own play and not worried about Manziel, or the hype surrounding him.
We don't know if Hoyer has been given any indication that the team is "his" beyond the fact that he's been getting first-team reps at training camp. Hoyer is the only remaining quarterback on the roster who started games for the Browns last season, but he did so under a different coaching staff.
In a widely shared column on TheMMQB.com on Monday, Hoyer's teammate Donte Whitner said the team's locker room is split down the middle with respect to which quarterback it supports.
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George Washington parting Lake Erie?
Nah- Gip, that's one of my favorite labels- though I don't like that style of beer. Great Lakes Brewing Holy Moses, comes out around Christmas every year. Moses Cleaveland parting Lake Erie. Would have been more fitting if it had been the Cuyahoga River.
Moses Cleaveland parting Lake Erie.
Cecil B. DeHoorta?
I get the feeling Pettine is leaning (Hoyer's) way too.
Welcome, and I agree, but I think Pettine may be more than leaning Hoyer's way. Question rises though that if I happen to be right (it could happen), why all the "it's close" and "two, starter-caliber QBs" talk?
There are two thoughts that've been germinating in my bean since this AM...
- The first is that Pettine and Shanahan are not leaning in the same direction.
- The second is that after tearing/ slapping JM down for his off-field stuff early on, Pettine and Co. are now building up the kid's ego.
Stay tuned...
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Browns' Whitner: Locker room is 'split about 50/50' on Hoyer vs. Manziel
Aug 11 2014, 9:53 AMDavid P. Woods
The most buzzworthy quarterback battle in the NFL this preseason has even divided the locker room where it's taking place.
“It’s been fierce,” Cleveland Browns safety Donte Whitner told Peter King of TheMMQB.com when asked to describe the ongoing competition between incumbent Brian Hoyer and highly touted rookie Johnny Manziel.
“Two guys fighting for their lives. It’s close. I’d say [the locker room] is split about 50/50. We know they both can play.”
A split locker room isn't exactly something NFL coaches strive to achieve, but for now there's no indication that things are getting hostile (or even awkward) behind closed doors in Cleveland.
It's not surprising that the more experienced Hoyer has supporters. He's a local boy who gave the team something it hadn't had in years in his three starts last season: hope. Before tearing his ACL during Week 5, Hoyer looked like he might be a franchise quarterback. Heck, left tackle Joe Thomas even compared him to Tom Brady last month.
But Manziel brings a lot to the table that Hoyer doesn't, including a national following and a reputation as one of the game's most thrilling talents.
The sentiment that Manziel deserves to start is undeniably growing inside the Browns' locker room as it is among the public, and it could reach a fever pitch if Manziel turns in a strong performance in the Brown's second preseason game.
As it happens, that game will be televised nationally on "Monday Night Football."
Manziel Mania is only just beginning.
Great... a split locker room...
Browns' Whitner: Locker room is 'split about 50/50' on Hoyer vs. Manziel
Aug 11 2014, 9:53 AMDavid P. Woods
But Manziel brings a lot to the table that Hoyer doesn't, including a national following and a reputation as one of the game's most thrilling talents.
OMFG...
Had there been a 5-second, McEnroe clip I'd have posted that....
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3rd Pre-season is where they play the starters mostly. JFF going to win I believe. Wasn't impressed with Hoyer, but if he wins so be it.
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Why do the Browns have to be so Dysfunctional? Would any other team have this much drama coming out of their locker room/ front office. Pettine better get his players under control because they talk to much. Rookie coach mistake. You wouldnt have any of this out of a Belicheck team. I hate him but he runs a team like you should.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Was rewatching the game and right from the start i noticed things. Hoyers first drive on the check down he threw, Hawkins is wide open in the middle.
Second play where Hoyer bails out of the back of the pocket and threw the ball away. He was doing exactly what coach Pettine said QBs shouldnt do. He was watching the pass rush instead of feeling it. The pocket was actually very good but he oddly bailed out.
You sound like an insurance company defense attorney. You will nitpick at anything that seems to give you favor.
"Your client has a 16 day gap in her treatment"
"Yea, that is because it was Christmas time and the Doctor's office was closed over the holiday and she couldn't get in to see him on his schedule until after that time"
"Well, we think its possible that she suffered that herniated disk doing something else over those holidays and do not believe you can prove that the damage was caused by the accident".
"Well, lets see, my client didn't have a herniated disk before your client ran into her with his pickup truck, but she did have one after that.....so what do you think caused it.....being slammed by a 4000 pound vehicle, or putting up tinsel"?
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Nobody could part Lake Erie at this point.. those harmful algae blooms are bad times.
Let Pettine do his job. JF does have a better arm than Hoyer, but his arm isn't the only thing needed.
Remember: JF's arm isn't as good as Spergon Wynn's.
Nobody could part Lake Erie at this point.. those harmful algae blooms are bad times.
Let Pettine do his job. JF does have a better arm than Hoyer, but his arm isn't the only thing needed.
Remember: JF's arm isn't as good as Spergon Wynn's.
Spergon Wynn? Seriously?
Wynn passed for less than 600 yards in his career.(QB rating 39.5, not a typo) There is a heck of a lot more to having a good arm than being able to throw the ball 100mph to nobody at all.
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I actually don't mind this pic....NFL open is different the college open, and rather risk the ball he just pulled it down and took 3 yards.
I have no problem with him doing that, tbh. But, if you can stop the hyperbole about our thoughts on hoyer, we could have a good discussion on this.
You yourself like to remind us that hoyer is relatively inexperienced for a 6 year vet, coming off a major injury in his first live action should lend itself to mistakes being made. At least in the first case, while he missed Hawkins, he hit gray for 25 or so yards. Either guy would have been a good play, but he took the easy throw. Nothing wrong with that.
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We're talking football son....go brush your teeth and get ready for bed.
I'm sure your fatass watching from your couch playing Monday Morning QB can see all throws Manziel should of hit working with guys who won't even most likely make the team.
But please, keep showing us the X's and O's Marty Mornhinweg
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Well....I am watching the game for the third time.
Regardless....2 things you should notice in this last exchange.
1....everlasting tried to make a point on hoyer while simultaneously ignoring the same johnny.
2....he's bored yet hasn't replied.
Sucks when your argument gets flipped and used against you. Its also clear your simply a grudge poster trying to flex you muscles here, nickuwich, cause you ain't got the stones to talk football here let alone at the obr. Cause if you actually read my posts, you'd see I have no problem with jonhnnys play.
But alas, I'll wait till your balls drop before we go any further. Maybe that's why you envy johnny so....he gets ass and you're a unic....
Tough life bro....
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Jonny's second pass attempt. 4 guys open, 2 covered by 1 defender that he is looking at, and he tucks and runs.
Nevermind the 1 yard gain he took by not throwing to Agnew who could have easily got 5-10 yards.
Sooooooooooo.......
@everlastingxxx said:
My guess is they do 25 snaps each. Johnny first, then Hoyer. Shaw has been terrible. He is a practice squad player. Thigpen might stick around as insurance after Manziel and Hoyer gets hurt.
Thigpen looked like complete crap in the Lions game- he was sitting around waiting for a phone call for a reason.
Jonny's second pass attempt. 4 guys open, 2 covered by 1 defender that he is looking at, and he tucks and runs.
Nevermind the 1 yard gain he took by not throwing to Agnew who could have easily got 5-10 yards.
Sooooooooooo.......
@everlastingxxx said:
Sorry i was watching the rest of the game and working at the same time. I was only in the first quarter and wanted to watch Hoyer again when i posted. I think my early posts explained pretty clearly what my point was. I have said a number of times i thought both QBs were a mixed bag. I thought Hoyer was really good on his final drive. Not sure who the unic/balls dropping comment was aimed at?
Some of the Manziel fans have been more reasonable than others- but Choco's pic, as they say "one picture is worth 1,000 words." The more obnoxious of the JF Fanboys think he's for sure gonna be Great, don't ya know? Well one of the true GOATS (Peyton Manning) would already have had the ball on it's way to any one of the numerous receivers that were wide open in that frame. I'll rest that as one of the reasons Manziel needs a lot of work- before he gets to toss passes against an NFL defense that's actually trying to disguise what they're doing.
&EV- this was one of my concerns regarding JF pre-draft- he locked onto his (covered) primary, didn't see (or look to see) other guys wide open, and took off running. Bad habit- I hope he can overcome it.
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