JF leapfrogs Hoyer (accord. to source)
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@everlastingxxx said:
Was rewatching the game and right from the start i noticed things. Hoyers first drive on the check down he threw, Hawkins is wide open in the middle.
Second play where Hoyer bails out of the back of the pocket and threw the ball away. He was doing exactly what coach Pettine said QBs shouldnt do. He was watching the pass rush instead of feeling it. The pocket was actually very good but he oddly bailed out.
You sound like an insurance company defense attorney. You will nitpick at anything that seems to give you favor.
"Your client has a 16 day gap in her treatment"
"Yea, that is because it was Christmas time and the Doctor's office was closed over the holiday and she couldn't get in to see him on his schedule until after that time"
"Well, we think its possible that she suffered that herniated disk doing something else over those holidays and do not believe you can prove that the damage was caused by the accident".
"Well, lets see, my client didn't have a herniated disk before your client ran into her with his pickup truck, but she did have one after that.....so what do you think caused it.....being slammed by a 4000 pound vehicle, or putting up tinsel"?
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Nobody could part Lake Erie at this point.. those harmful algae blooms are bad times.
Let Pettine do his job. JF does have a better arm than Hoyer, but his arm isn't the only thing needed.
Remember: JF's arm isn't as good as Spergon Wynn's.
Nobody could part Lake Erie at this point.. those harmful algae blooms are bad times.
Let Pettine do his job. JF does have a better arm than Hoyer, but his arm isn't the only thing needed.
Remember: JF's arm isn't as good as Spergon Wynn's.
Spergon Wynn? Seriously?
Wynn passed for less than 600 yards in his career.(QB rating 39.5, not a typo) There is a heck of a lot more to having a good arm than being able to throw the ball 100mph to nobody at all.
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I actually don't mind this pic....NFL open is different the college open, and rather risk the ball he just pulled it down and took 3 yards.
I have no problem with him doing that, tbh. But, if you can stop the hyperbole about our thoughts on hoyer, we could have a good discussion on this.
You yourself like to remind us that hoyer is relatively inexperienced for a 6 year vet, coming off a major injury in his first live action should lend itself to mistakes being made. At least in the first case, while he missed Hawkins, he hit gray for 25 or so yards. Either guy would have been a good play, but he took the easy throw. Nothing wrong with that.
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We're talking football son....go brush your teeth and get ready for bed.
I'm sure your fatass watching from your couch playing Monday Morning QB can see all throws Manziel should of hit working with guys who won't even most likely make the team.
But please, keep showing us the X's and O's Marty Mornhinweg
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Well....I am watching the game for the third time.
Regardless....2 things you should notice in this last exchange.
1....everlasting tried to make a point on hoyer while simultaneously ignoring the same johnny.
2....he's bored yet hasn't replied.
Sucks when your argument gets flipped and used against you. Its also clear your simply a grudge poster trying to flex you muscles here, nickuwich, cause you ain't got the stones to talk football here let alone at the obr. Cause if you actually read my posts, you'd see I have no problem with jonhnnys play.
But alas, I'll wait till your balls drop before we go any further. Maybe that's why you envy johnny so....he gets ass and you're a unic....
Tough life bro....
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Jonny's second pass attempt. 4 guys open, 2 covered by 1 defender that he is looking at, and he tucks and runs.
Nevermind the 1 yard gain he took by not throwing to Agnew who could have easily got 5-10 yards.
Sooooooooooo.......
@everlastingxxx said:
My guess is they do 25 snaps each. Johnny first, then Hoyer. Shaw has been terrible. He is a practice squad player. Thigpen might stick around as insurance after Manziel and Hoyer gets hurt.
Thigpen looked like complete crap in the Lions game- he was sitting around waiting for a phone call for a reason.
Jonny's second pass attempt. 4 guys open, 2 covered by 1 defender that he is looking at, and he tucks and runs.
Nevermind the 1 yard gain he took by not throwing to Agnew who could have easily got 5-10 yards.
Sooooooooooo.......
@everlastingxxx said:
Sorry i was watching the rest of the game and working at the same time. I was only in the first quarter and wanted to watch Hoyer again when i posted. I think my early posts explained pretty clearly what my point was. I have said a number of times i thought both QBs were a mixed bag. I thought Hoyer was really good on his final drive. Not sure who the unic/balls dropping comment was aimed at?
Some of the Manziel fans have been more reasonable than others- but Choco's pic, as they say "one picture is worth 1,000 words." The more obnoxious of the JF Fanboys think he's for sure gonna be Great, don't ya know? Well one of the true GOATS (Peyton Manning) would already have had the ball on it's way to any one of the numerous receivers that were wide open in that frame. I'll rest that as one of the reasons Manziel needs a lot of work- before he gets to toss passes against an NFL defense that's actually trying to disguise what they're doing.
&EV- this was one of my concerns regarding JF pre-draft- he locked onto his (covered) primary, didn't see (or look to see) other guys wide open, and took off running. Bad habit- I hope he can overcome it.
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Do you realize how easy it is to look at the photo and play Monday Morning QB and from and elevated position.
No Agnew could not have EASILY gotten 5-10 yards. The linebacker at the Det. 47 would have stopped him most likely.
That's just a piss poor example to me. Who the fuck is Agnew and will he even make the team?
I am all for favor in sitting Johnny and giving Hoyer a healthy Cameron and drug free Gordon to see what we have.
But like I said, the amount of hate he's getting is just embarrassing. I've never seen a player where his own fans want him to fail. It's mentally ill and fucking pathetic that grown men have that attitude. Get the fuck over it already. I do hope he starts Monday night and let Hoyer start most of game 3 to give us a proper evaluation.
Bridgewater and Carr didn't look to hot at all. Bortles and Garrapolo looked very good.
And for fucks sake, Manziel has made this team relevant in the eyes of the national media which is something new and refreshing.
I'd rather have that than the same barrel assed blue collar woe is me aww darn and shucks attitude since 1999.
We've been the fucking poster child for the Benny Hill theme song for too long. Not no more.
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Until we see JF given a true chance with and against 1's, we really won't know who moves this team best. We all know JF is on a learning curve with a new O. Advantage Hoyer.
But like it or not JF finds ways for teams to score and every team he has every played for believes he can do that, however unconventional it may appear.
Pettine has to be true to his word that JF gets a real shot.
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i think he starts monday night.
like i said i heard saturday night he was to start the next 2 preseason games. i don't know how someone on tv can just report false information, but i guess it happens. wasn't it long ago that a reporter had to have more than one source with the same info to go to print with it? i guess the age of TMZ and twitter has changed all that. they all want to be the ones that break the story.
i don't think pettine is a liar. i believe manziel will get all the chances in the world to show what he can do. monday night football: national stage......if he starts no one can complain that he didn't get to show his stuff. let's see if he can bring it like all the JFFs think he can.
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@everlastingxxx said:
My guess is they do 25 snaps each. Johnny first, then Hoyer. Shaw has been terrible. He is a practice squad player. Thigpen might stick around as insurance after Manziel and Hoyer gets hurt.
Thigpen looked like complete crap in the Lions game- he was sitting around waiting for a phone call for a reason.
Jonny's second pass attempt. 4 guys open, 2 covered by 1 defender that he is looking at, and he tucks and runs.
Nevermind the 1 yard gain he took by not throwing to Agnew who could have easily got 5-10 yards.
Sooooooooooo.......
@everlastingxxx said:
Sorry i was watching the rest of the game and working at the same time. I was only in the first quarter and wanted to watch Hoyer again when i posted. I think my early posts explained pretty clearly what my point was. I have said a number of times i thought both QBs were a mixed bag. I thought Hoyer was really good on his final drive. Not sure who the unic/balls dropping comment was aimed at?
Some of the Manziel fans have been more reasonable than others- but Choco's pic, as they say "one picture is worth 1,000 words." The more obnoxious of the JF Fanboys think he's for sure gonna be Great, don't ya know? Well one of the true GOATS (Peyton Manning) would already have had the ball on it's way to any one of the numerous receivers that were wide open in that frame. I'll rest that as one of the reasons Manziel needs a lot of work- before he gets to toss passes against an NFL defense that's actually trying to disguise what they're doing.
&EV- this was one of my concerns regarding JF pre-draft- he locked onto his (covered) primary, didn't see (or look to see) other guys wide open, and took off running. Bad habit- I hope he can overcome it.
Thigpen looked like complete crap in the Lions game- he was sitting around waiting for a phone call for a reason.
Some of the Manziel fans have been more reasonable than others- but Choco's pic, as they say "one picture is worth 1,000 words." The more obnoxious of the JF Fanboys think he's for sure gonna be Great, don't ya know? Well one of the true GOATS (Peyton Manning) would already have had the ball on it's way to any one of the numerous receivers that were wide open in that frame. I'll rest that as one of the reasons Manziel needs a lot of work- before he gets to toss passes against an NFL defense that's actually trying to disguise what they're doing.
&EV- this was one of my concerns regarding JF pre-draft- he locked onto his (covered) primary, didn't see (or look to see) other guys wide open, and took off running. Bad habit- I hope he can overcome it.
Manziel's passing-only performance measured this way topped not only Manning's preseason debut in 1998 (72.4) but also the first preseason efforts of Matthew Stafford (71.7 in 2009), Cam Newton (66.6, 2011 ), Sam Bradford (58.8, 2010) and Andy Dalton (54.6, 2011). But it lagged well behind the still unproven Ryan Tannehill (106.6, 2012), EJ Manuel (102.7, 2013) and Geno Smith (94.6, 2013).
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Thigpen looked like complete crap in the Lions game- he was sitting around waiting for a phone call for a reason.
Some of the Manziel fans have been more reasonable than others- but Choco's pic, as they say "one picture is worth 1,000 words." The more obnoxious of the JF Fanboys think he's for sure gonna be Great, don't ya know? Well one of the true GOATS (Peyton Manning) would already have had the ball on it's way to any one of the numerous receivers that were wide open in that frame. I'll rest that as one of the reasons Manziel needs a lot of work- before he gets to toss passes against an NFL defense that's actually trying to disguise what they're doing.
&EV- this was one of my concerns regarding JF pre-draft- he locked onto his (covered) primary, didn't see (or look to see) other guys wide open, and took off running. Bad habit- I hope he can overcome it.
Manziel's passing-only performance measured this way topped not only Manning's preseason debut in 1998 (72.4) but also the first preseason efforts of Matthew Stafford (71.7 in 2009), Cam Newton (66.6, 2011 ), Sam Bradford (58.8, 2010) and Andy Dalton (54.6, 2011). But it lagged well behind the still unproven Ryan Tannehill (106.6, 2012), EJ Manuel (102.7, 2013) and Geno Smith (94.6, 2013).
Manziel's passing-only performance measured this way topped not only Manning's preseason debut in 1998 (72.4) but also the first preseason efforts of Matthew Stafford (71.7 in 2009), Cam Newton (66.6, 2011 ), Sam Bradford (58.8, 2010) and Andy Dalton (54.6, 2011). But it lagged well behind the still unproven Ryan Tannehill (106.6, 2012), EJ Manuel (102.7, 2013) and Geno Smith (94.6, 2013).
Kellen Moore's passer rating was 131.1 on Saturday. What's your point? Besides the fact that preseason means literally nothing.
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Manziel's passing-only performance measured this way topped not only Manning's preseason debut in 1998 (72.4) but also the first preseason efforts of Matthew Stafford (71.7 in 2009), Cam Newton (66.6, 2011 ), Sam Bradford (58.8, 2010) and Andy Dalton (54.6, 2011). But it lagged well behind the still unproven Ryan Tannehill (106.6, 2012), EJ Manuel (102.7, 2013) and Geno Smith (94.6, 2013).
Kellen Moore's passer rating was 131.1 on Saturday. What's your point? Besides the fact that preseason means literally nothing.
Kellen Moore's passer rating was 131.1 on Saturday. What's your point? Besides the fact that preseason means literally nothing.
Poster said that Peyton would've hit that guy already, just pointing out that Johnny had a better day passing than Peyton Manning did in his first start, so I think that the poster was wrong to assume Peyton, in his first start, would've done a better job than Johnny on that particular play.
BTW, what does mean something on this board? I've noticed that performing better in college, practice, and preseason games doesn't mean anything to some posters, so when do the snaps actually start counting?
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