JF leapfrogs Hoyer (accord. to source)
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Until we see JF given a true chance with and against 1's, we really won't know who moves this team best. We all know JF is on a learning curve with a new O. Advantage Hoyer.
But like it or not JF finds ways for teams to score and every team he has every played for believes he can do that, however unconventional it may appear.
Pettine has to be true to his word that JF gets a real shot.
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i think he starts monday night.
like i said i heard saturday night he was to start the next 2 preseason games. i don't know how someone on tv can just report false information, but i guess it happens. wasn't it long ago that a reporter had to have more than one source with the same info to go to print with it? i guess the age of TMZ and twitter has changed all that. they all want to be the ones that break the story.
i don't think pettine is a liar. i believe manziel will get all the chances in the world to show what he can do. monday night football: national stage......if he starts no one can complain that he didn't get to show his stuff. let's see if he can bring it like all the JFFs think he can.
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@everlastingxxx said:
My guess is they do 25 snaps each. Johnny first, then Hoyer. Shaw has been terrible. He is a practice squad player. Thigpen might stick around as insurance after Manziel and Hoyer gets hurt.
Thigpen looked like complete crap in the Lions game- he was sitting around waiting for a phone call for a reason.
Jonny's second pass attempt. 4 guys open, 2 covered by 1 defender that he is looking at, and he tucks and runs.
Nevermind the 1 yard gain he took by not throwing to Agnew who could have easily got 5-10 yards.
Sooooooooooo.......
@everlastingxxx said:
Sorry i was watching the rest of the game and working at the same time. I was only in the first quarter and wanted to watch Hoyer again when i posted. I think my early posts explained pretty clearly what my point was. I have said a number of times i thought both QBs were a mixed bag. I thought Hoyer was really good on his final drive. Not sure who the unic/balls dropping comment was aimed at?
Some of the Manziel fans have been more reasonable than others- but Choco's pic, as they say "one picture is worth 1,000 words." The more obnoxious of the JF Fanboys think he's for sure gonna be Great, don't ya know? Well one of the true GOATS (Peyton Manning) would already have had the ball on it's way to any one of the numerous receivers that were wide open in that frame. I'll rest that as one of the reasons Manziel needs a lot of work- before he gets to toss passes against an NFL defense that's actually trying to disguise what they're doing.
&EV- this was one of my concerns regarding JF pre-draft- he locked onto his (covered) primary, didn't see (or look to see) other guys wide open, and took off running. Bad habit- I hope he can overcome it.
Thigpen looked like complete crap in the Lions game- he was sitting around waiting for a phone call for a reason.
Some of the Manziel fans have been more reasonable than others- but Choco's pic, as they say "one picture is worth 1,000 words." The more obnoxious of the JF Fanboys think he's for sure gonna be Great, don't ya know? Well one of the true GOATS (Peyton Manning) would already have had the ball on it's way to any one of the numerous receivers that were wide open in that frame. I'll rest that as one of the reasons Manziel needs a lot of work- before he gets to toss passes against an NFL defense that's actually trying to disguise what they're doing.
&EV- this was one of my concerns regarding JF pre-draft- he locked onto his (covered) primary, didn't see (or look to see) other guys wide open, and took off running. Bad habit- I hope he can overcome it.
Manziel's passing-only performance measured this way topped not only Manning's preseason debut in 1998 (72.4) but also the first preseason efforts of Matthew Stafford (71.7 in 2009), Cam Newton (66.6, 2011 ), Sam Bradford (58.8, 2010) and Andy Dalton (54.6, 2011). But it lagged well behind the still unproven Ryan Tannehill (106.6, 2012), EJ Manuel (102.7, 2013) and Geno Smith (94.6, 2013).
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Thigpen looked like complete crap in the Lions game- he was sitting around waiting for a phone call for a reason.
Some of the Manziel fans have been more reasonable than others- but Choco's pic, as they say "one picture is worth 1,000 words." The more obnoxious of the JF Fanboys think he's for sure gonna be Great, don't ya know? Well one of the true GOATS (Peyton Manning) would already have had the ball on it's way to any one of the numerous receivers that were wide open in that frame. I'll rest that as one of the reasons Manziel needs a lot of work- before he gets to toss passes against an NFL defense that's actually trying to disguise what they're doing.
&EV- this was one of my concerns regarding JF pre-draft- he locked onto his (covered) primary, didn't see (or look to see) other guys wide open, and took off running. Bad habit- I hope he can overcome it.
Manziel's passing-only performance measured this way topped not only Manning's preseason debut in 1998 (72.4) but also the first preseason efforts of Matthew Stafford (71.7 in 2009), Cam Newton (66.6, 2011 ), Sam Bradford (58.8, 2010) and Andy Dalton (54.6, 2011). But it lagged well behind the still unproven Ryan Tannehill (106.6, 2012), EJ Manuel (102.7, 2013) and Geno Smith (94.6, 2013).
Manziel's passing-only performance measured this way topped not only Manning's preseason debut in 1998 (72.4) but also the first preseason efforts of Matthew Stafford (71.7 in 2009), Cam Newton (66.6, 2011 ), Sam Bradford (58.8, 2010) and Andy Dalton (54.6, 2011). But it lagged well behind the still unproven Ryan Tannehill (106.6, 2012), EJ Manuel (102.7, 2013) and Geno Smith (94.6, 2013).
Kellen Moore's passer rating was 131.1 on Saturday. What's your point? Besides the fact that preseason means literally nothing.
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Manziel's passing-only performance measured this way topped not only Manning's preseason debut in 1998 (72.4) but also the first preseason efforts of Matthew Stafford (71.7 in 2009), Cam Newton (66.6, 2011 ), Sam Bradford (58.8, 2010) and Andy Dalton (54.6, 2011). But it lagged well behind the still unproven Ryan Tannehill (106.6, 2012), EJ Manuel (102.7, 2013) and Geno Smith (94.6, 2013).
Kellen Moore's passer rating was 131.1 on Saturday. What's your point? Besides the fact that preseason means literally nothing.
Kellen Moore's passer rating was 131.1 on Saturday. What's your point? Besides the fact that preseason means literally nothing.
Poster said that Peyton would've hit that guy already, just pointing out that Johnny had a better day passing than Peyton Manning did in his first start, so I think that the poster was wrong to assume Peyton, in his first start, would've done a better job than Johnny on that particular play.
BTW, what does mean something on this board? I've noticed that performing better in college, practice, and preseason games doesn't mean anything to some posters, so when do the snaps actually start counting?
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Kellen Moore's passer rating was 131.1 on Saturday. What's your point? Besides the fact that preseason means literally nothing.
Poster said that Peyton would've hit that guy already, just pointing out that Johnny had a better day passing than Peyton Manning did in his first start, so I think that the poster was wrong to assume Peyton, in his first start, would've done a better job than Johnny on that particular play.
BTW, what does mean something on this board? I've noticed that performing better in college, practice, and preseason games doesn't mean anything to some posters, so when do the snaps actually start counting?
Poster said that Peyton would've hit that guy already, just pointing out that Johnny had a better day passing than Peyton Manning did in his first start, so I think that the poster was wrong to assume Peyton, in his first start, would've done a better job than Johnny on that particular play.
BTW, what does mean something on this board? I've noticed that performing better in college, practice, and preseason games doesn't mean anything to some posters, so when do the snaps actually start counting?
Regular and postseason, ya know, when the games actually are important for the organization. Regular season wins get you to the playoffs while postseason wins gets you to a championsip.
Anything before that just gets you to the next practice.
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Kellen Moore's passer rating was 131.1 on Saturday. What's your point? Besides the fact that preseason means literally nothing.
Poster said that Peyton would've hit that guy already, just pointing out that Johnny had a better day passing than Peyton Manning did in his first start, so I think that the poster was wrong to assume Peyton, in his first start, would've done a better job than Johnny on that particular play.
BTW, what does mean something on this board? I've noticed that performing better in college, practice, and preseason games doesn't mean anything to some posters, so when do the snaps actually start counting?
Poster said that Peyton would've hit that guy already, just pointing out that Johnny had a better day passing than Peyton Manning did in his first start, so I think that the poster was wrong to assume Peyton, in his first start, would've done a better job than Johnny on that particular play.
BTW, what does mean something on this board? I've noticed that performing better in college, practice, and preseason games doesn't mean anything to some posters, so when do the snaps actually start counting?
Not my point- great if Manning wasn't stellar his first preseason start. Just pointing out to the JFF lovers how far he has to go- to be an efficient NFL starter.
That kind of waiting around will get you killed against the zone blitz Steelers.
What? Us board regulars just can't see how ready Manziel is to tear the NFL apart?
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Kid goes what...7 of 11 with a couple of drops...which would have made him 9 of 11... no INTs... with the scrub line in....and you jeenyuses are worried about him locking onto recievers?
Seriously?
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Kid goes what...7 of 11 with a couple of drops...which would have made him 9 of 11... no INTs... with the scrub line in....and you jeenyuses are worried about him locking onto recievers?
Seriously?
Kid goes what...7 of 11 with a couple of drops...which would have made him 9 of 11... no INTs... with the scrub line in....and you jeenyuses are worried about him locking onto recievers?
Seriously?
let's see how he does monday night against the #1s alright?
if he does great then you can hoot and howl. if he blows i guarantee you you'll be hiding under your bed.
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Kid goes what...7 of 11 with a couple of drops...which would have made him 9 of 11... no INTs... with the scrub line in....and you jeenyuses are worried about him locking onto recievers?
Seriously?
let's see how he does monday night against the #1s alright?
if he does great then you can hoot and howl. if he blows i guarantee you you'll be hiding under your bed.
let's see how he does monday night against the #1s alright?
if he does great then you can hoot and howl. if he blows i guarantee you you'll be hiding under your bed.
Why would I hoot and howl? I trust the coach to pick who's best. Why don't you Hoyer fan boys doo the same?
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Poster said that Peyton would've hit that guy already, just pointing out that Johnny had a better day passing than Peyton Manning did in his first start, so I think that the poster was wrong to assume Peyton, in his first start, would've done a better job than Johnny on that particular play.
BTW, what does mean something on this board? I've noticed that performing better in college, practice, and preseason games doesn't mean anything to some posters, so when do the snaps actually start counting?
Regular and postseason, ya know, when the games actually are important for the organization. Regular season wins get you to the playoffs while postseason wins gets you to a championsip.
Anything before that just gets you to the next practice.
Regular and postseason, ya know, when the games actually are important for the organization. Regular season wins get you to the playoffs while postseason wins gets you to a championsip.
Anything before that just gets you to the next practice.
So what on earth is the Hoyer excitement around here about then? He hasn't done anything of note on the field during the regular season... and that has been over 5 seasons in the league.
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Regular and postseason, ya know, when the games actually are important for the organization. Regular season wins get you to the playoffs while postseason wins gets you to a championsip.
Anything before that just gets you to the next practice.
So what on earth is the Hoyer excitement around here about then? He hasn't done anything of note on the field during the regular season... and that has been over 5 seasons in the league.
So what on earth is the Hoyer excitement around here about then? He hasn't done anything of note on the field during the regular season... and that has been over 5 seasons in the league.
What excitement? No one here is overly excited about him. He did make 3 starts as a brown and those ended in 3 wins.
In those games he made some clutch throws and got the win at the end of the game. That's it. So yeah, based upon last year he looked pretty good. Maybe not great, but good enough to win games.
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Why would I hoot and howl? I trust the coach to pick who's best. Why don't you Hoyer fan boys doo the same?
i'm a browns fan. not a hoyer or manziel fan. whoever the coaches pick is fine with me.
if it wasn't important to you then why come on here and suck manziel's dick?
you'll be around if manziel fails? cuz i'll be here if hoyer fails, gordon gets cut, another round of coaching and FO changes. yeah, i'll be here.
btw with 16 posts i really doubt that you just happened to join the forum as a browns fan, more like a johnny fan, which is totally different.
need i explain?
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Regular and postseason, ya know, when the games actually are important for the organization. Regular season wins get you to the playoffs while postseason wins gets you to a championsip.
Anything before that just gets you to the next practice.
So what on earth is the Hoyer excitement around here about then? He hasn't done anything of note on the field during the regular season... and that has been over 5 seasons in the league.
So what on earth is the Hoyer excitement around here about then? He hasn't done anything of note on the field during the regular season... and that has been over 5 seasons in the league.
Hoyer has indeed done something of note on the field. In his first two starts last year he was able to accomplish something that no other Browns quarterback had been able to do over the last 5+ years - make the Browns offense look like a real NFL offense. Until Hoyer took the reins Browns fans were used to 3-and-outs, stalled drives, and tons of field goals. The most successful penetrations of the opponents' half of the field were the result of either a good punt return or a defensive turnover. Hoyer, with his ability to survey the field and get rid of the ball quickly, actually moved the Browns down the field from time to time, put points on the board, engineered a come-from-behind game-winning drive late in one contest, and generated a feeling of optimism among the fanbase when the Browns had the ball - instead of the agonized hope that (insert quarterback here) would not throw a pick/get sacked/over or underthrow his receiver/get his pass batted down at the line of scrimmage/do whatever it was that Brandon Weedon did.
Sure, Hoyer isn't an electrifying talent. He is what he is - an efficient, effective game manager. That type of quarterback, coupled with a tough defense, wins games in the NFL. It may not be the most exciting style to watch, but it works. And as my father said, "What works is what's right."
Brian Hoyer is right.
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I'm 100% with you Suomi and couldn't have said it better myself. To everyone else. This has been the most entertaining thread I've read on the BB in quite a while!
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Why would I hoot and howl? I trust the coach to pick who's best. Why don't you Hoyer fan boys doo the same?
i'm a browns fan. not a hoyer or manziel fan. whoever the coaches pick is fine with me.
if it wasn't important to you then why come on here and suck manziel's dick?
you'll be around if manziel fails? cuz i'll be here if hoyer fails, gordon gets cut, another round of coaching and FO changes. yeah, i'll be here.
btw with 16 posts i really doubt that you just happened to join the forum as a browns fan, more like a johnny fan, which is totally different.
need i explain?
i'm a browns fan. not a hoyer or manziel fan. whoever the coaches pick is fine with me.
if it wasn't important to you then why come on here and suck manziel's dick?
you'll be around if manziel fails? cuz i'll be here if hoyer fails, gordon gets cut, another round of coaching and FO changes. yeah, i'll be here.
btw with 16 posts i really doubt that you just happened to join the forum as a browns fan, more like a johnny fan, which is totally different.
need i explain?
I keep reading you say you are a Browns fan.
Don't really see any evidence of that, other than you keep saying it.
Which isn't enough evidence.
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i'm a browns fan. not a hoyer or manziel fan. whoever the coaches pick is fine with me.
if it wasn't important to you then why come on here and suck manziel's dick?
you'll be around if manziel fails? cuz i'll be here if hoyer fails, gordon gets cut, another round of coaching and FO changes. yeah, i'll be here.
btw with 16 posts i really doubt that you just happened to join the forum as a browns fan, more like a johnny fan, which is totally different.
need i explain?
I keep reading you say you are a Browns fan.
Don't really see any evidence of that, other than you keep saying it.
Which isn't enough evidence.
I keep reading you say you are a Browns fan.
Don't really see any evidence of that, other than you keep saying it.
Which isn't enough evidence.
You are funny but mostly just dumb. I was on here while you were still pulling milk from your mom's dick.
I would have to be one major troll to make a browns forum my home given their recent history.
Now go get your shine box bitch.
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I keep reading you say you are a Browns fan.
Don't really see any evidence of that, other than you keep saying it.
Which isn't enough evidence.
You are funny but mostly just dumb. I was on here while you were still pulling milk from your mom's dick.
I would have to be one major troll to make a browns forum my home given their recent history.
Now go get your shine box bitch.
You are funny but mostly just dumb. I was on here while you were still pulling milk from your mom's dick.
I would have to be one major troll to make a browns forum my home given their recent history.
Now go get your shine box bitch.
There we go - I can buy you being a major troll. You're doing a fine job!
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Kid goes what...7 of 11 with a couple of drops...which would have made him 9 of 11... no INTs... with the scrub line in....and you jeenyuses are worried about him locking onto recievers?
Seriously?
Kid goes what...7 of 11 with a couple of drops...which would have made him 9 of 11... no INTs... with the scrub line in....and you jeenyuses are worried about him locking onto recievers?
Seriously?
Watch NFL games much? Locking onto your wr on an out route results in the regular season (more often than not) into a pick six- want me to tell you what that is, and why it's a bad thing?
So what on earth is the Hoyer excitement around here about then? He hasn't done anything of note on the field during the regular season... and that has been over 5 seasons in the league.
See Suomi's post Mr. Johnny Come Lately.
There we go - I can buy you being a major troll. You're doing a fine job!
Based on some of your posts, I doubt if you would know what a troll is- even if if one walked up to you and bit you in the ass. But go look in a mirror, and you'll see a one trick flamebaiter- just my 0.02.
Let me enlighten you- Mik is such a big troll he had several dozen custom t-shirts printed up for our last Browns Board Tailgate- at his expense. You may now shut your pie hole about Mik being a troll.
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