JF leapfrogs Hoyer (accord. to source)
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love me some michelle beadle.
wonder if her gash is still blown out after dropping that kid?
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where the hell you been Gips?
Browns qb's will be tested early with their September schedule featuring 3 upper tier defenses. pisspuke (14), Ravens (12), Saints (4). (total D 2013)
if they go into October 0-3 there will definitely be a qb change for the Titans game after the bye.
I'd be happy as hell if they win a September game but, lets face it, it's gonna be tough to get into the end zone with their obvious lack of offensive playmakers A banged up Cameron, at
this point, is at the top of the short list providing JG is riding the suspension pine.
It's Hoyers job to lose. He gets his job back after what appears to be a successful recovery of his knee. He worked his gonads off to heal and justifiably gets back what he lost.
JFF debut most likely will be in Nashville 10/5 coming off the bye if hoys doesn't deliver
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The Browns don't need Manziel, they were just fine withou....wait.... nevermind
I really don't get the hate. I think it's more of a personal ego issue than anything. Nobody wants to be told that their team sucks, but when you have a once in a lifetime type player that could very quickly change all the agony of being a Browns fan, instead of embracing it, you want to puff out your chest and justify your manhood with the argument that "I am a true Browns fan! See? I liked the Browns BEFORE we got Manziel, so I am better than you, and you are GAY!"
Grow up, you need to work on your self-esteem there Mik. Manziel MAY be the best thing that has happened to this program in who knows when. As an Aggie fan and fan of Manziel, I had always said that he would be fine as long as he didn't get drafted by the Browns. If he can be successful in Cleveland, it just adds to the legend of JFF.
I can relate to Browns fans, I have been and Aggie fan my whole life, and had to endure the dark ages of mediocrity for well over a decade. I hope that you guys can experience the same success we had with JFF and I'm truly inspired to root for the Browns, I want JF to succeed at a place that NO other QB has been able to do in who knows how long... Once the prophecy of The Legend of Johnny Football has been realized, I will go quietly into the night, but not without a few smiles and a few "I told ya so's"
Yall are in for a real fun next few years, hope yall enjoy watching him play as much as the rest of the world, and really hoping the Browns have a lot of success with him. I will be rooting for the Browns for the foreseeable future. Maybe not for the same reasons as some of you, but what difference does that make? Doesn't make me gay and doesn't make you a better man, like it or not, Manziel just TRIPLED your fanbase overnight, y'all are probably outnumbered now. Enjoy it while yall can, I would bet the farm that he will not stick around in Cleveland any longer than he absolutely has to.
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I think we can close this thread ... No leapfrogging ... No source ... Brian Hoyer: still our QB.
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The Browns don't need Manziel, they were just fine withou....wait.... nevermind
I really don't get the hate. I think it's more of a personal ego issue than anything. Nobody wants to be told that their team sucks, but when you have a once in a lifetime type player that could very quickly change all the agony of being a Browns fan, instead of embracing it, you want to puff out your chest and justify your manhood with the argument that "I am a true Browns fan! See? I liked the Browns BEFORE we got Manziel, so I am better than you, and you are GAY!"
Grow up, you need to work on your self-esteem there Mik. Manziel MAY be the best thing that has happened to this program in who knows when. As an Aggie fan and fan of Manziel, I had always said that he would be fine as long as he didn't get drafted by the Browns. If he can be successful in Cleveland, it just adds to the legend of JFF.
I can relate to Browns fans, I have been and Aggie fan my whole life, and had to endure the dark ages of mediocrity for well over a decade. I hope that you guys can experience the same success we had with JFF and I'm truly inspired to root for the Browns, I want JF to succeed at a place that NO other QB has been able to do in who knows how long... Once the prophecy of The Legend of Johnny Football has been realized, I will go quietly into the night, but not without a few smiles and a few "I told ya so's"
Yall are in for a real fun next few years, hope yall enjoy watching him play as much as the rest of the world, and really hoping the Browns have a lot of success with him. I will be rooting for the Browns for the foreseeable future. Maybe not for the same reasons as some of you, but what difference does that make? Doesn't make me gay and doesn't make you a better man, like it or not, Manziel just TRIPLED your fanbase overnight, y'all are probably outnumbered now. Enjoy it while yall can, I would bet the farm that he will not stick around in Cleveland any longer than he absolutely has to.
The Browns don't need Manziel, they were just fine withou....wait.... nevermind
I really don't get the hate. I think it's more of a personal ego issue than anything. Nobody wants to be told that their team sucks, but when you have a once in a lifetime type player that could very quickly change all the agony of being a Browns fan, instead of embracing it, you want to puff out your chest and justify your manhood with the argument that "I am a true Browns fan! See? I liked the Browns BEFORE we got Manziel, so I am better than you, and you are GAY!"
Grow up, you need to work on your self-esteem there Mik. Manziel MAY be the best thing that has happened to this program in who knows when. As an Aggie fan and fan of Manziel, I had always said that he would be fine as long as he didn't get drafted by the Browns. If he can be successful in Cleveland, it just adds to the legend of JFF.
I can relate to Browns fans, I have been and Aggie fan my whole life, and had to endure the dark ages of mediocrity for well over a decade. I hope that you guys can experience the same success we had with JFF and I'm truly inspired to root for the Browns, I want JF to succeed at a place that NO other QB has been able to do in who knows how long... Once the prophecy of The Legend of Johnny Football has been realized, I will go quietly into the night, but not without a few smiles and a few "I told ya so's"
Yall are in for a real fun next few years, hope yall enjoy watching him play as much as the rest of the world, and really hoping the Browns have a lot of success with him. I will be rooting for the Browns for the foreseeable future. Maybe not for the same reasons as some of you, but what difference does that make? Doesn't make me gay and doesn't make you a better man, like it or not, Manziel just TRIPLED your fanbase overnight, y'all are probably outnumbered now. Enjoy it while yall can, I would bet the farm that he will not stick around in Cleveland any longer than he absolutely has to.
I've lived through more the Browns suck swamp water seasons than I care to remember- but usually I've had hope before the real bullets start flying in September.
OK, there was- and probably still is "hate". and I admit being guilty of it. "Hate" of Manziel the off-field doofus pre training comp. Count Pettine, Farmer, and Haslem in that camp.
There is not one person who bleeds brown & orange that "hates" Manziel the football player. Got it?
What us oldsters "hate" is guys coming in and making pronouncements Manziel could beat out the likes of Kurt Warner or Tony Romo before he's ever played in a regular season NFL game. Plus the bashing and denigration of Bryan Hoyer- no chance, nope, none in the world Hoyer could repeat the Kurt Warner story- us folks that have lived in Cleveland say "chance" and that's all we're asking for. FWIW, I made a bet today at my favorite restaurant with the assistant manager (Colts fan) for a free meal that Hoyer is going to start the first three games- and I have no doubts I'm going to collect.
What you have to understand- Cleveland has one of the most knowledgeable fan bases in the NFL- and if JFF comes in and starts stinking up the place- he's going to hear it- real fast. And what I REALLY don't want to see is the Man-zealots bashing Hoyer over every incomplete pass- because he's not the"Chosen One". Get over it- Cleveland had the "Chosen One" Le Bron James- that's the yardstick of "can't miss". JFF doesn't measure up- at least not yet.
Make that twice in a lifetime for me regarding JF's skill set- I'm old enough to have seen Fran Tarkenton play.
Ya see us old curmudgeons have been around long enough to see plenty of "can't miss" prospects-miss. Doubly so for the Browns. It's been pointed out numerous times here before- but it bears repeating- if Manziel was "can't miss" he'd have been drafted #1 overall. So take a chill pill, and watch the season unfold.
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The Browns don't need Manziel, they were just fine withou....wait.... nevermind
I really don't get the hate. I think it's more of a personal ego issue than anything. Nobody wants to be told that their team sucks, but when you have a once in a lifetime type player that could very quickly change all the agony of being a Browns fan, instead of embracing it, you want to puff out your chest and justify your manhood with the argument that "I am a true Browns fan! See? I liked the Browns BEFORE we got Manziel, so I am better than you, and you are GAY!"
Grow up, you need to work on your self-esteem there Mik. Manziel MAY be the best thing that has happened to this program in who knows when. As an Aggie fan and fan of Manziel, I had always said that he would be fine as long as he didn't get drafted by the Browns. If he can be successful in Cleveland, it just adds to the legend of JFF.
I can relate to Browns fans, I have been and Aggie fan my whole life, and had to endure the dark ages of mediocrity for well over a decade. I hope that you guys can experience the same success we had with JFF and I'm truly inspired to root for the Browns, I want JF to succeed at a place that NO other QB has been able to do in who knows how long... Once the prophecy of The Legend of Johnny Football has been realized, I will go quietly into the night, but not without a few smiles and a few "I told ya so's"
Yall are in for a real fun next few years, hope yall enjoy watching him play as much as the rest of the world, and really hoping the Browns have a lot of success with him. I will be rooting for the Browns for the foreseeable future. Maybe not for the same reasons as some of you, but what difference does that make? Doesn't make me gay and doesn't make you a better man, like it or not, Manziel just TRIPLED your fanbase overnight, y'all are probably outnumbered now. Enjoy it while yall can, I would bet the farm that he will not stick around in Cleveland any longer than he absolutely has to.
I've lived through more the Browns suck swamp water seasons than I care to remember- but usually I've had hope before the real bullets start flying in September.
OK, there was- and probably still is "hate". and I admit being guilty of it. "Hate" of Manziel the off-field doofus pre training comp. Count Pettine, Farmer, and Haslem in that camp.
There is not one person who bleeds brown & orange that "hates" Manziel the football player. Got it?
What us oldsters "hate" is guys coming in and making pronouncements Manziel could beat out the likes of Kurt Warner or Tony Romo before he's ever played in a regular season NFL game. Plus the bashing and denigration of Bryan Hoyer- no chance, nope, none in the world Hoyer could repeat the Kurt Warner story- us folks that have lived in Cleveland say "chance" and that's all we're asking for. FWIW, I made a bet today at my favorite restaurant with the assistant manager (Colts fan) for a free meal that Hoyer is going to start the first three games- and I have no doubts I'm going to collect.
What you have to understand- Cleveland has one of the most knowledgeable fan bases in the NFL- and if JFF comes in and starts stinking up the place- he's going to hear it- real fast. And what I REALLY don't want to see is the Man-zealots bashing Hoyer over every incomplete pass- because he's not the"Chosen One". Get over it- Cleveland had the "Chosen One" Le Bron James- that's the yardstick of "can't miss". JFF doesn't measure up- at least not yet.
Make that twice in a lifetime for me regarding JF's skill set- I'm old enough to have seen Fran Tarkenton play.
Ya see us old curmudgeons have been around long enough to see plenty of "can't miss" prospects-miss. Doubly so for the Browns. It's been pointed out numerous times here before- but it bears repeating- if Manziel was "can't miss" he'd have been drafted #1 overall. So take a chill pill, and watch the season unfold.
I've lived through more the Browns suck swamp water seasons than I care to remember- but usually I've had hope before the real bullets start flying in September.
OK, there was- and probably still is "hate". and I admit being guilty of it. "Hate" of Manziel the off-field doofus pre training comp. Count Pettine, Farmer, and Haslem in that camp.
There is not one person who bleeds brown & orange that "hates" Manziel the football player. Got it?
What us oldsters "hate" is guys coming in and making pronouncements Manziel could beat out the likes of Kurt Warner or Tony Romo before he's ever played in a regular season NFL game. Plus the bashing and denigration of Bryan Hoyer- no chance, nope, none in the world Hoyer could repeat the Kurt Warner story- us folks that have lived in Cleveland say "chance" and that's all we're asking for. FWIW, I made a bet today at my favorite restaurant with the assistant manager (Colts fan) for a free meal that Hoyer is going to start the first three games- and I have no doubts I'm going to collect.
What you have to understand- Cleveland has one of the most knowledgeable fan bases in the NFL- and if JFF comes in and starts stinking up the place- he's going to hear it- real fast. And what I REALLY don't want to see is the Man-zealots bashing Hoyer over every incomplete pass- because he's not the"Chosen One". Get over it- Cleveland had the "Chosen One" Le Bron James- that's the yardstick of "can't miss". JFF doesn't measure up- at least not yet.
Make that twice in a lifetime for me regarding JF's skill set- I'm old enough to have seen Fran Tarkenton play.
Ya see us old curmudgeons have been around long enough to see plenty of "can't miss" prospects-miss. Doubly so for the Browns. It's been pointed out numerous times here before- but it bears repeating- if Manziel was "can't miss" he'd have been drafted #1 overall. So take a chill pill, and watch the season unfold.
the only reason he wasn't drafted #1 was because he is 5'11". If he was 6'3" he'd be considered the greatest qb prospect to ever grace the NFL draft. As it is, he is the shortest qb drafted in the first round in over 60 years. Maybe ask yourself what it was about Johnny that had him go at 22, whereas guys like Drew Brees and Russel Wilson weren't first round picks?
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I've lived through more the Browns suck swamp water seasons than I care to remember- but usually I've had hope before the real bullets start flying in September.
OK, there was- and probably still is "hate". and I admit being guilty of it. "Hate" of Manziel the off-field doofus pre training comp. Count Pettine, Farmer, and Haslem in that camp.
There is not one person who bleeds brown & orange that "hates" Manziel the football player. Got it?
What us oldsters "hate" is guys coming in and making pronouncements Manziel could beat out the likes of Kurt Warner or Tony Romo before he's ever played in a regular season NFL game. Plus the bashing and denigration of Bryan Hoyer- no chance, nope, none in the world Hoyer could repeat the Kurt Warner story- us folks that have lived in Cleveland say "chance" and that's all we're asking for. FWIW, I made a bet today at my favorite restaurant with the assistant manager (Colts fan) for a free meal that Hoyer is going to start the first three games- and I have no doubts I'm going to collect.
What you have to understand- Cleveland has one of the most knowledgeable fan bases in the NFL- and if JFF comes in and starts stinking up the place- he's going to hear it- real fast. And what I REALLY don't want to see is the Man-zealots bashing Hoyer over every incomplete pass- because he's not the"Chosen One". Get over it- Cleveland had the "Chosen One" Le Bron James- that's the yardstick of "can't miss". JFF doesn't measure up- at least not yet.
Make that twice in a lifetime for me regarding JF's skill set- I'm old enough to have seen Fran Tarkenton play.
Ya see us old curmudgeons have been around long enough to see plenty of "can't miss" prospects-miss. Doubly so for the Browns. It's been pointed out numerous times here before- but it bears repeating- if Manziel was "can't miss" he'd have been drafted #1 overall. So take a chill pill, and watch the season unfold.
the only reason he wasn't drafted #1 was because he is 5'11". If he was 6'3" he'd be considered the greatest qb prospect to ever grace the NFL draft. As it is, he is the shortest qb drafted in the first round in over 60 years. Maybe ask yourself what it was about Johnny that had him go at 22, whereas guys like Drew Brees and Russel Wilson weren't first round picks?
the only reason he wasn't drafted #1 was because he is 5'11". If he was 6'3" he'd be considered the greatest qb prospect to ever grace the NFL draft. As it is, he is the shortest qb drafted in the first round in over 60 years. Maybe ask yourself what it was about Johnny that had him go at 22, whereas guys like Drew Brees and Russel Wilson weren't first round picks?
Gee, you forgot to mention Bret Farve. If you want to take that to its logical conclusion, Joe Montana got drafted in the third round, Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Kurt Warner & Tony Romo were UFA's.
Excuses, if-if-if. he isn't, and he wasn't. Even if he was 6'3, I doubt he'd get ranked ahead of Elway or Luck as "can't miss". I believe one scout said of Elway's arm strength "he could throw the ball through a car wash and it would come out dry on the other side". Same can't be said of JFF.
Manziel's off field bullshit would have dragged him down- just like it did Marino.
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the only reason he wasn't drafted #1 was because he is 5'11". If he was 6'3" he'd be considered the greatest qb prospect to ever grace the NFL draft. As it is, he is the shortest qb drafted in the first round in over 60 years. Maybe ask yourself what it was about Johnny that had him go at 22, whereas guys like Drew Brees and Russel Wilson weren't first round picks?
Gee, you forgot to mention Bret Farve. If you want to take that to its logical conclusion, Joe Montana got drafted in the third round, Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Kurt Warner & Tony Romo were UFA's.
Excuses, if-if-if. he isn't, and he wasn't. Even if he was 6'3, I doubt he'd get ranked ahead of Elway or Luck as "can't miss". I believe one scout said of Elway's arm strength "he could throw the ball through a car wash and it would come out dry on the other side". Same can't be said of JFF.
Manziel's off field bullshit would have dragged him down- just like it did Marino.
Excuses, if-if-if. he isn't, and he wasn't. Even if he was 6'3, I doubt he'd get ranked ahead of Elway or Luck as "can't miss". His off filed bullshit would have dragged him down- just like it did Marino.
Excuses? That is all you guys do for Hoyer!
Nobody has to make excuses for Johnny. Johnny was the first freshman in history to win the heisman. He owns the three highest yards per game in the history of the SEC. He was drafted in the first round of the draft. Now, let's hear your excuses for why Hoyer's resume doesn't stack up at all.
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Seriously- if you were being objective about JF's performance against Detroit- he wasn't seeing the field particularity well- another thing Hoyer currently beats JF at. Might only have been a couple plays but Manziel took off running when he had secondary receivers wide open.
Not to mention running from "phantom pressure" a couple times...
I do not think folks appreciate the impact of missing reads and open progressions. Even a positive play will be downgraded. No better example I can think of than the 4th and 1 roll out. The play was designed to make the defender chose between defending the QB run and the pass to the FB. The defender chose to defend the run and yet the QB still ran. The yard was gained, but against the design of the play.
Not to mention running from "phantom pressure" a couple times...
I do not think folks appreciate the impact of missing reads and open progressions. Even a positive play will be downgraded. No better example I can think of than the 4th and 1 roll out. The play was designed to make the defender chose between defending the QB run and the pass to the FB. The defender chose to defend the run and yet the QB still ran. The yard was gained, but against the design of the play.
You mean the exact same play Hoyer ran and threw to the fb and the fb dropped?
Yeah, watch Johnny in context. On first and ten, he throws that ball. When it's third or fourth down and he knows he damn well better make sure he gets the first, he will keep it every time. Again, this is because Johnny understands the game better than any player I've ever seen at his age.
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Hoyer was big10 honorable mention one year, and he backed up Brady so well, he got released, not traded, released.
I'm done with this debate, it's simply Retarded. One guy has to face pro-bowl standards while the other is defaulted into tom Brady 2.0; I have no
Doubt the hoyer cheerleading will be proven silly in just a few weeks.
Brian hoyer. Lol. You can't make this shit up. It's like if Houston fell in love with tj Yates.
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Hoyer was big10 honorable mention one year, and he backed up Brady so well, he got released, not traded, released.
I'm done with this debate, it's simply Retarded. One guy has to face pro-bowl standards while the other is defaulted into tom Brady 2.0; I have no
Doubt the hoyer cheerleading will be proven silly in just a few weeks.
Brian hoyer. Lol. You can't make this shit up. It's like if Houston fell in love with tj Yates.
Hoyer was big10 honorable mention one year, and he backed up Brady so well, he got released, not traded, released.
I'm done with this debate, it's simply Retarded. One guy has to face pro-bowl standards while the other is defaulted into tom Brady 2.0; I have no
Doubt the hoyer cheerleading will be proven silly in just a few weeks.
Brian hoyer. Lol. You can't make this shit up. It's like if Houston fell in love with tj Yates.
Well, while Johnny was boozing it up in Vegas, and hanging out with Tiny Canadian Pussy Douche and Mayweather, Hoyer was busting his ass trying to improve his game. Get back to me Tuesday when Pettine names the starter. I got money saying it isn't Manziel.
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Brian Hoyer: still our QB.
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You seem to have quite a collection of Johnny clips. I bet you touch yourself while watching them from your parents basement. -
The Browns don't need Manziel, they were just fine withou....wait.... nevermind
I really don't get the hate. I think it's more of a personal ego issue than anything. Nobody wants to be told that their team sucks, but when you have a once in a lifetime type player that could very quickly change all the agony of being a Browns fan, instead of embracing it, you want to puff out your chest and justify your manhood with the argument that "I am a true Browns fan! See? I liked the Browns BEFORE we got Manziel, so I am better than you, and you are GAY!"
Grow up, you need to work on your self-esteem there Mik. Manziel MAY be the best thing that has happened to this program in who knows when. As an Aggie fan and fan of Manziel, I had always said that he would be fine as long as he didn't get drafted by the Browns. If he can be successful in Cleveland, it just adds to the legend of JFF.
I can relate to Browns fans, I have been and Aggie fan my whole life, and had to endure the dark ages of mediocrity for well over a decade. I hope that you guys can experience the same success we had with JFF and I'm truly inspired to root for the Browns, I want JF to succeed at a place that NO other QB has been able to do in who knows how long... Once the prophecy of The Legend of Johnny Football has been realized, I will go quietly into the night, but not without a few smiles and a few "I told ya so's"
Yall are in for a real fun next few years, hope yall enjoy watching him play as much as the rest of the world, and really hoping the Browns have a lot of success with him. I will be rooting for the Browns for the foreseeable future. Maybe not for the same reasons as some of you, but what difference does that make? Doesn't make me gay and doesn't make you a better man, like it or not, Manziel just TRIPLED your fanbase overnight, y'all are probably outnumbered now. Enjoy it while yall can, I would bet the farm that he will not stick around in Cleveland any longer than he absolutely has to.
The Browns don't need Manziel, they were just fine withou....wait.... nevermind
I really don't get the hate. I think it's more of a personal ego issue than anything. Nobody wants to be told that their team sucks, but when you have a once in a lifetime type player that could very quickly change all the agony of being a Browns fan, instead of embracing it, you want to puff out your chest and justify your manhood with the argument that "I am a true Browns fan! See? I liked the Browns BEFORE we got Manziel, so I am better than you, and you are GAY!"
Grow up, you need to work on your self-esteem there Mik. Manziel MAY be the best thing that has happened to this program in who knows when. As an Aggie fan and fan of Manziel, I had always said that he would be fine as long as he didn't get drafted by the Browns. If he can be successful in Cleveland, it just adds to the legend of JFF.
I can relate to Browns fans, I have been and Aggie fan my whole life, and had to endure the dark ages of mediocrity for well over a decade. I hope that you guys can experience the same success we had with JFF and I'm truly inspired to root for the Browns, I want JF to succeed at a place that NO other QB has been able to do in who knows how long... Once the prophecy of The Legend of Johnny Football has been realized, I will go quietly into the night, but not without a few smiles and a few "I told ya so's"
Yall are in for a real fun next few years, hope yall enjoy watching him play as much as the rest of the world, and really hoping the Browns have a lot of success with him. I will be rooting for the Browns for the foreseeable future. Maybe not for the same reasons as some of you, but what difference does that make? Doesn't make me gay and doesn't make you a better man, like it or not, Manziel just TRIPLED your fanbase overnight, y'all are probably outnumbered now. Enjoy it while yall can, I would bet the farm that he will not stick around in Cleveland any longer than he absolutely has to.
dude. you guys just don't get it.
no one here hates manziel. we 'hate' you fans that are shoving him in our face every 2 seconds. no one is proclaiming hoyer as an all star stud NFL QB. sure there have been comparisons made here ONLY in response to some stupid college stats that one of you JF fans put up meant to demean hoyer. but i've never claimed him to be that. and again hoyer and manziel are both browns, so we on this board tend to stick up for browns players. i'm sure if some troll came on here bashing manziel like you guys do hoyer there'd be plenty of us talking to them the same way we do you.
i'm sure manziel wants to win the starting job. i'm sure hoyer does too. why not let it play out on the field? you should have nothing to worry about, correct?
if it weren't for the JF fan base (Johnny Football.....you'll never hear me refer to him as that. johnny manziel? yes) life around here would be a lot more enjoyable. quite frankly i'm sure if he (manziel) were to read some of your posts i think me might be a little/lot embarrassed. and as far as him not sticking around in cleveland..........if you believe that then why don't you do a preemptive strike and pack YOUR bags and leave now?
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Hoyer was big10 honorable mention one year, and he backed up Brady so well, he got released, not traded, released.
I'm done with this debate, it's simply Retarded. One guy has to face pro-bowl standards while the other is defaulted into tom Brady 2.0; I have no
Doubt the hoyer cheerleading will be proven silly in just a few weeks.
Brian hoyer. Lol. You can't make this shit up. It's like if Houston fell in love with tj Yates.
Hoyer was big10 honorable mention one year, and he backed up Brady so well, he got released, not traded, released.
I'm done with this debate, it's simply Retarded. One guy has to face pro-bowl standards while the other is defaulted into tom Brady 2.0; I have no
Doubt the hoyer cheerleading will be proven silly in just a few weeks.
Brian hoyer. Lol. You can't make this shit up. It's like if Houston fell in love with tj Yates.
What's really sad is that the lil guy looks lost compared to hoyer. Scrambles barely completed a pass with the 1s yesterday while hoyer lit up the D.
So what are you saying about the savior if he can't unseat a crappy backup QB? Oh yeah....rigged competition.
Got it.
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I actually like Hoyer and from what I have seen, I think that if he were named the starter the Browns would be just fine, but I don't think they can be an elite team with Hoyer. I think Hoyer could pull out a winning season for sure, but if the Browns have the defense (which JF did not have that luxury at A&M), I think the Browns can be a good team with Hoyer and a GREAT team if JF progresses and learns the offense. Johnny WILL put up the numbers and will score lots of points. His passion and fire are what sets him apart more than anything, it's the refusal to lose and the burning desire to win. I've seen it time and again, not to gush or anything but it's the truth, he simply wills his team to victory. He gets his teammates fired up around him, not something I have seen from Hoyer. Not that Hoyer doesn't want to win or isn't a competitor, but I think he is missing that contagious fire that can infect the rest of the team (in a positive way). I have no doubt JF will be a good player, if he stays healthy, but I am not sitting here saying he should start game 1. The coaches are in the best position to make that call, and I defer to the coaches. I won't be on here bashing Hoyer for every little flaw, and know the JF's time will come. It's just hard to ignore the difference in upside with these two players. Hoyer may be more ready to start game 1 but it won't be long before JF gets a firm grasp on the offense and takes over before the end of the season (in my opinion). What I "hate" is the fact that everyone is so concerned about what he does in his free time, which is in no way any different than a lot of pro football players, you just don't hear about it. There is a media obsession with dragging this kid through the mud, and criticizing EVERY move he makes. Use some common sense, he isn't any different than the rest of them, he is just under the microscope. This happens every offseason, and then when fall camp starts you don't hear a peep out of them because he is all business when it comes to football. His teammates would tell you he is one of the hardest workers out there and motivates everyone around him.
I don't think it's a rigged competition, that's ridiculous, anyone with common sense will tell you that the QB who is most prepared and gives them the best chance to win will play. That doesn't always mean the best QB will win the job, it may come down to who gels better with the offense and who has a better understanding of the offense will play, regardless of athletic ability and talent. Looking forward to the soap opera they call the Browns 2014 season.
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I actually like Hoyer and from what I have seen, I think that if he were named the starter the Browns would be just fine, but I don't think they can be an elite team with Hoyer. I think Hoyer could pull out a winning season for sure, but if the Browns have the defense (which JF did not have that luxury at A&M), I think the Browns can be a good team with Hoyer and a GREAT team if JF progresses and learns the offense. Johnny WILL put up the numbers and will score lots of points. His passion and fire are what sets him apart more than anything, it's the refusal to lose and the burning desire to win. I've seen it time and again, not to gush or anything but it's the truth, he simply wills his team to victory. He gets his teammates fired up around him, not something I have seen from Hoyer. Not that Hoyer doesn't want to win or isn't a competitor, but I think he is missing that contagious fire that can infect the rest of the team (in a positive way). I have no doubt JF will be a good player, if he stays healthy, but I am not sitting here saying he should start game 1. The coaches are in the best position to make that call, and I defer to the coaches. I won't be on here bashing Hoyer for every little flaw, and know the JF's time will come. It's just hard to ignore the difference in upside with these two players. Hoyer may be more ready to start game 1 but it won't be long before JF gets a firm grasp on the offense and takes over before the end of the season (in my opinion). What I "hate" is the fact that everyone is so concerned about what he does in his free time, which is in no way any different than a lot of pro football players, you just don't hear about it. There is a media obsession with dragging this kid through the mud, and criticizing EVERY move he makes. Use some common sense, he isn't any different than the rest of them, he is just under the microscope. This happens every offseason, and then when fall camp starts you don't hear a peep out of them because he is all business when it comes to football. His teammates would tell you he is one of the hardest workers out there and motivates everyone around him.
I don't think it's a rigged competition, that's ridiculous, anyone with common sense will tell you that the QB who is most prepared and gives them the best chance to win will play. That doesn't always mean the best QB will win the job, it may come down to who gels better with the offense and who has a better understanding of the offense will play, regardless of athletic ability and talent. Looking forward to the soap opera they call the Browns 2014 season.
I actually like Hoyer and from what I have seen, I think that if he were named the starter the Browns would be just fine, but I don't think they can be an elite team with Hoyer. I think Hoyer could pull out a winning season for sure, but if the Browns have the defense (which JF did not have that luxury at A&M), I think the Browns can be a good team with Hoyer and a GREAT team if JF progresses and learns the offense. Johnny WILL put up the numbers and will score lots of points. His passion and fire are what sets him apart more than anything, it's the refusal to lose and the burning desire to win. I've seen it time and again, not to gush or anything but it's the truth, he simply wills his team to victory. He gets his teammates fired up around him, not something I have seen from Hoyer. Not that Hoyer doesn't want to win or isn't a competitor, but I think he is missing that contagious fire that can infect the rest of the team (in a positive way). I have no doubt JF will be a good player, if he stays healthy, but I am not sitting here saying he should start game 1. The coaches are in the best position to make that call, and I defer to the coaches. I won't be on here bashing Hoyer for every little flaw, and know the JF's time will come. It's just hard to ignore the difference in upside with these two players. Hoyer may be more ready to start game 1 but it won't be long before JF gets a firm grasp on the offense and takes over before the end of the season (in my opinion). What I "hate" is the fact that everyone is so concerned about what he does in his free time, which is in no way any different than a lot of pro football players, you just don't hear about it. There is a media obsession with dragging this kid through the mud, and criticizing EVERY move he makes. Use some common sense, he isn't any different than the rest of them, he is just under the microscope. This happens every offseason, and then when fall camp starts you don't hear a peep out of them because he is all business when it comes to football. His teammates would tell you he is one of the hardest workers out there and motivates everyone around him.
I don't think it's a rigged competition, that's ridiculous, anyone with common sense will tell you that the QB who is most prepared and gives them the best chance to win will play. That doesn't always mean the best QB will win the job, it may come down to who gels better with the offense and who has a better understanding of the offense will play, regardless of athletic ability and talent. Looking forward to the soap opera they call the Browns 2014 season.
then welcome to the browns board!! i think i can agree on every point in that post.
the only soap opera usually associated with a cleveland browns season (at least since the return in '99) is 'as my stomach turns' or the ones we have on this board. walter white has decided to divide this board into 2 factions. the old-timers vs. the yungins. so we have in one corner 'the young and the restless' and in the other 'general hospital'.
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Somebody should probably bookmark these things and drag them back up at midseason.
If the team is six and two under Brian Hoyer the gloating will be a lot more impressive.
Or it may be time to toss another crow on the barbie.
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