Jonathan Paul Manziel
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It seems to me that when JM runs to his right, his throws are fairly accurate. When he scrambles to his left, his throws are erratic and off target. Anybody else notice this?
It's because he's right handed.
It's because he's right handed.
No shit?
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It seems to me that when JM runs to his right, his throws are fairly accurate. When he scrambles to his left, his throws are erratic and off target. Anybody else notice this?
It seems to me that when JM runs to his right, his throws are fairly accurate. When he scrambles to his left, his throws are erratic and off target. Anybody else notice this?
Actually I've seen him throw some very crisp passes across his body rolling left... when he can throw the ball on a line to his target.
What I have noticed is that left, right or standing still he's had issues when he has had to put touch on the ball.
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I'm not knowledgeable about qb arm mechanics, I actually didn't realize that JF had a 3/4 like delivery until it was talked about. Question is to those that do know....does that type of delivery make the deep ball hard to throw? When he had to put real air under the ball it came out awful. Would it absolutely ruin a young kid if they tried to make him throw more overhand? If our power running game pans out we're gonna need a qb that can throw over the top of stacked defense's. If those wobbles are what happens when a 3/4 guy throws deep under pressure...that doesn't bode well for him. Cause he will be under pressure on virtually every snap here in Cleveland..as he's already found out.
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I'm not knowledgeable about qb arm mechanics, I actually didn't realize that JF had a 3/4 like delivery until it was talked about. Question is to those that do know....does that type of delivery make the deep ball hard to throw? When he had to put real air under the ball it came out awful. Would it absolutely ruin a young kid if they tried to make him throw more overhand? If our power running game pans out we're gonna need a qb that can throw over the top of stacked defense's. If those wobbles are what happens when a 3/4 guy throws deep under pressure...that doesn't bode well for him. Cause he will be under pressure on virtually every snap here in Cleveland..as he's already found out.
I'm not knowledgeable about qb arm mechanics, I actually didn't realize that JF had a 3/4 like delivery until it was talked about. Question is to those that do know....does that type of delivery make the deep ball hard to throw? When he had to put real air under the ball it came out awful. Would it absolutely ruin a young kid if they tried to make him throw more overhand? If our power running game pans out we're gonna need a qb that can throw over the top of stacked defense's. If those wobbles are what happens when a 3/4 guy throws deep under pressure...that doesn't bode well for him. Cause he will be under pressure on virtually every snap here in Cleveland..as he's already found out.
It doesn't preclude you from throwing over the top, Phillip Rivers and Bernie Kosar throw/threw beautiful deep balls with a 3/4 delivery.
They're tall though. My concern with Manziel is getting that ball out of the pocket with 6'6' linemen closing in on him.
I think Manziel throws a good deep ball and has nice arm strength, he is just too raw for the NFL game as we saw the preseason. No consistency with his delivery, I am sure they are working on that.
Zombo
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Shaw > Manziel
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It's because he's right handed.
No shit?
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I'm not knowledgeable about qb arm mechanics, I actually didn't realize that JF had a 3/4 like delivery until it was talked about. Question is to those that do know....does that type of delivery make the deep ball hard to throw? When he had to put real air under the ball it came out awful. Would it absolutely ruin a young kid if they tried to make him throw more overhand? If our power running game pans out we're gonna need a qb that can throw over the top of stacked defense's. If those wobbles are what happens when a 3/4 guy throws deep under pressure...that doesn't bode well for him. Cause he will be under pressure on virtually every snap here in Cleveland..as he's already found out.
I'm not knowledgeable about qb arm mechanics, I actually didn't realize that JF had a 3/4 like delivery until it was talked about. Question is to those that do know....does that type of delivery make the deep ball hard to throw? When he had to put real air under the ball it came out awful. Would it absolutely ruin a young kid if they tried to make him throw more overhand? If our power running game pans out we're gonna need a qb that can throw over the top of stacked defense's. If those wobbles are what happens when a 3/4 guy throws deep under pressure...that doesn't bode well for him. Cause he will be under pressure on virtually every snap here in Cleveland..as he's already found out.
Even those with true over the top deliveries sometimes tend to drop to 3/4 when attempting to throw deep bombs. Brees is guilty just as JF is.
A 3/4 delivery isn't "wrong". It's just another delivery method.
Most kids aren't taught proper mechanics and from a young age begin throwing 3/4 because it feels more natural. Trying to force a different delivery forces JF to consciously think about his body movement while trying to simultaneously process what's happening around him and that's when mistakes get made.
The reason he was throwing ducks isn't because of his delivery method, it's because he was strong arming it. His tempo was off, his mechanics were falling apart and he was throwing all arm rather than planting, driving and using his entire body. Nearly all of his passes seemed to be slung rather than thrown and that's why they looked the way they did.
A nice lesson I learned about reviewing tape from many different coaches - ball don't lie. When your mechanics are off, the ball shows it. Passes where the nose of the ball is off kilter and pointed slightly up indicate arm throws, a weak grip and open shoulders. If the nose is pointed down, you're likely using too much wrist and your throwing from a closed position.
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I'm not knowledgeable about qb arm mechanics, I actually didn't realize that JF had a 3/4 like delivery until it was talked about. Question is to those that do know....does that type of delivery make the deep ball hard to throw? When he had to put real air under the ball it came out awful. Would it absolutely ruin a young kid if they tried to make him throw more overhand? If our power running game pans out we're gonna need a qb that can throw over the top of stacked defense's. If those wobbles are what happens when a 3/4 guy throws deep under pressure...that doesn't bode well for him. Cause he will be under pressure on virtually every snap here in Cleveland..as he's already found out.
Even those with true over the top deliveries sometimes tend to drop to 3/4 when attempting to throw deep bombs. Brees is guilty just as JF is.
A 3/4 delivery isn't "wrong". It's just another delivery method.
Most kids aren't taught proper mechanics and from a young age begin throwing 3/4 because it feels more natural. Trying to force a different delivery forces JF to consciously think about his body movement while trying to simultaneously process what's happening around him and that's when mistakes get made.
The reason he was throwing ducks isn't because of his delivery method, it's because he was strong arming it. His tempo was off, his mechanics were falling apart and he was throwing all arm rather than planting, driving and using his entire body. Nearly all of his passes seemed to be slung rather than thrown and that's why they looked the way they did.
A nice lesson I learned about reviewing tape from many different coaches - ball don't lie. When your mechanics are off, the ball shows it. Passes where the nose of the ball is off kilter and pointed slightly up indicate arm throws, a weak grip and open shoulders. If the nose is pointed down, you're likely using too much wrist and your throwing from a closed position.
The reason he was throwing ducks isn't because of his delivery method, it's because he was strong arming it. His tempo was off, his mechanics were falling apart and he was throwing all arm rather than planting, driving and using his entire body.
Is "strong-arming" a "touch-pass" is not nearly as oxymoronic as it seems at first blush?
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The reason he was throwing ducks isn't because of his delivery method, it's because he was strong arming it. His tempo was off, his mechanics were falling apart and he was throwing all arm rather than planting, driving and using his entire body.
Is "strong-arming" a "touch-pass" is not nearly as oxymoronic as it seems at first blush?
Is "strong-arming" a "touch-pass" is not nearly as oxymoronic as it seems at first blush?
Yeah, it does seem a bit oxymoronic.
To clear up what I mean, I don't mean he was trying to put strength behind the pass, I mean that he was purely using all arm and nothing else.
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Yeah, it does seem a bit oxymoronic.
To clear up what I mean, I don't mean he was trying to put strength behind the pass, I mean that he was purely using all arm and nothing else.
Got ya...
I was clearing up what seemed on the surface to be a disagreement between what we were seeing... Not that that would be a bad thing... or a first...
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idk if any of you guys realize this but hoyer is garbage. He is weeden-esque and its going to show come sunday. Weeden would've won those games that brian won
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idk if any of you guys realize this but hoyer is garbage. He is weeden-esque and its going to show come sunday. Weeden would've won those games that brian won
idk if any of you guys realize this but hoyer is garbage. He is weeden-esque and its going to show come sunday. Weeden would've won those games that brian won
The difference between Hoyer and Wheezy is only slightly less than the difference between yours and an intelligent post...
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Are we not supposed to see Johnny tackling dummy when rg3 throws?
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LOL-you can see the real JM just stepping out from behind the guy with the red, white & blue shirt on the right.
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Movie magic do you really think Manziel would stand there and let RG3 throw a ball 30 mph at his face?, I doubt we see the dummy in the actual commercial.
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They tried it with the roles reversed at first, but Johnny kept missing the apple.
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