Gilbert
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I don't have all the Gilbert optimism but give the guy time to be evaluated.
I don't have all the Gilbert optimism but give the guy time to be evaluated.
Here's the problem... I understand CB is a tough transition but Fuller, Varrett, and Roby are all showing promise.
Gilbert got torched by 3rd stringers all preseason long and got his ass handed to him Sunday. It was a Brandon Weeden like debut.
He isn't getting in the same area as the receivers he's covering.
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Oh he definitely shit the fucking bed. I am just willing to not write him off immediately. If he still looks like Corky out there at mid season, I will be with all the other naysayers.
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Here's the problem Logic...
Watch him on the fake punt, not only does he get burnt, he fucking wiffs, then he tries to tackle him like a 6th grader.
Gilbert is afraid of contact and at this level, I don't think tackling should be something you have to learn. He's a bad player and I don't see him panning out at all. Ever. He pussies away from contact.
I'm happy with all of our other picks (West, Bitonio, Kirskey, Manziel, etc..)
But Gilbert is so fucking bad. He's literally an F- right now.
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Here's the problem Logic...
Watch him on the fake punt, not only does he get burnt, he fucking wiffs, then he tries to tackle him like a 6th grader.
Gilbert is afraid of contact and at this level, I don't think tackling should be something you have to learn. He's a bad player and I don't see him panning out at all. Ever. He pussies away from contact.
I'm happy with all of our other picks (West, Bitonio, Kirskey, Manziel, etc..)
But Gilbert is so fucking bad. He's literally an F- right now.
Here's the problem Logic...
Watch him on the fake punt, not only does he get burnt, he fucking wiffs, then he tries to tackle him like a 6th grader.
Gilbert is afraid of contact and at this level, I don't think tackling should be something you have to learn. He's a bad player and I don't see him panning out at all. Ever. He pussies away from contact.
I'm happy with all of our other picks (West, Bitonio, Kirskey, Manziel, etc..)
But Gilbert is so fucking bad. He's literally an F- right now.
Walter, I agree, Gilbert has looked terrible up to this point- he has to learn how to defend when the ball is in the air or about to be caught. You forget about his 40 time at the combine? Sub 4.4 speed can't be taught, and that's why he was a first round pick. His tackling ability (rather lack of) in college was duly noted by none other than Ray Farmer.
Hell, Denard was a first round pick of the Bengals, and he's buried on the depth chart behind Father Time Jones and a crippled Kirkpatrick.
So maybe, just maybe Pettine is seeing we pushed Gilbert too far, too fast. One regular season game is far too small a sample size to label a first round pick a bust.
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Hopefully he can learn from the sidelines. And win his job back by doing so.
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Maybe the colts will trade a first round pick for him next year...
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Maybe the colts will trade a first round pick for him next year...
Maybe the colts will trade a first round pick for him next year...
We had a choice of Sammy Watkins, Kahlil Mack, Jake Matthews, and we took fucking Gilbert.
You see, these trade downs aren't worth it if you don't pick the right player.
In 2011, we skipped on Julio Jones and JJ Watt for Phil Taylor, Greg Little, and Brandon Weeden in 2012.
I would rather have Watt or Jones straight up than any of those bad to average players.
If Gilbert the Bills 1st pick in 2015 doesn't pan out, and Watkins does it's a total fucking failure.
I'd rather have Watkins, Mack, or Matthews than Gilbert.
Trading down is only good if snag the right player.
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It seems that you're getting waaaayyyy too worked up over a guy who only played one game in the league. If you keep going at this pace you'll be put on a daily aspirin regiment before the bye week...
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I want Gilbert to be a monster but I've seen this movie before.
He's afraid to hit. He's afraid make contact. He slips way too much. He's 10 yards away from every receiver he covers.
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Maybe the colts will trade a first round pick for him next year...
We had a choice of Sammy Watkins, Kahlil Mack, Jake Matthews, and we took fucking Gilbert.
You see, these trade downs aren't worth it if you don't pick the right player.
In 2011, we skipped on Julio Jones and JJ Watt for Phil Taylor, Greg Little, and Brandon Weeden in 2012.
I would rather have Watt or Jones straight up than any of those bad to average players.
If Gilbert the Bills 1st pick in 2015 doesn't pan out, and Watkins does it's a total fucking failure.
I'd rather have Watkins, Mack, or Matthews than Gilbert.
Trading down is only good if snag the right player.
We had a choice of Sammy Watkins, Kahlil Mack, Jake Matthews, and we took fucking Gilbert.
And another #1 pick.... Weve played just ONE game and have NO CLUE who that other pick will bring us, yet you are yammering on and on like a psychopath......take a pill man
In 2011, we skipped on Julio Jones and JJ Watt for Phil Taylor, Greg Little, and Brandon Weeden in 2012.
Holy cow.....you're still ranting about picks from 3 years ago??!!.....EVEN after ALL the people who made them are fired.....??
I would rather have Watt or Jones straight up than any of those bad to average players.
A 5 year old could back on drafts and pick the "right players".....this is a very tired and weak arguement
If Gilbert the Bills 1st pick in 2015 doesn't pan out, and Watkins does it's a total fucking failure.
So, why dont you wait a fukkin minute and ACTUALLY SEE if it pans out....??? I can tell you people in Buffalo wish they had that pick back..
Trading down is only good if snag the right player.
So far, it looks like Farmer nailed the draft and all your whining is wasted breath. So, it's too early to make ANY whiny statements like this yet.....you're probably the same guy who threw in the whole season after one series or by the second practice or something....
Life must suck being so miserable and down sighted all the time. Why do you even bother to follow the team??.....seriously...
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Again, Gilbert's two biggest issues are opening his hips early and as pointed out, "thinking" about what he's seeing instead of the instinct of knowing and driving on the ball.
He's seen more reps in his first game then Haden did in his first as a pro. I think limiting his snaps is a wise idea. Get him in the film room, let him learn the nuances of not only CB but also WR.
This will allow him to translate what he's seeing on the field into action as opposed to reaction while helping build his confidence.
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The other rookie DBs you've pointed out have been playing against 3rd and 4th receivers... It's simple... you can't count on a rookie CB as your starter on the outside. He's going to get burned from time-to-time. Pettine and co. saw size, speed, and great promise, but they gave him too much in game 1. Now he gets scaled back, and guys like Berry and Skrine get to play a little more while Gilbert develops. It's really not the end of the world... Now, at the end of the 2015 season if I'm saying the same sh**, then get on me...
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Again, CB is the hardest position in the NFL, and there has NEVER been a rookie who has stepped in and performed at a high level right away. He'll take his lumps and get better. He shouldn't have had as many reps as he did, but we don't have much of a choice. Who do you want to see? Aaron Berry? or the other rookies K'waun Williams? Robert Nelson? Desir? Be careful what you wish for...
Again, CB is the hardest position in the NFL, and there has NEVER been a rookie who has stepped in and performed at a high level right away.
Different era, but in 1952 a rookie CB named Dick "Night Train" Lane intercepted 14 passes. Happens to still stand as the single season record.
But modern era, yeah, what you said is pretty much the case the case. Even Deion did not start right away... and he never did like to tackle.
We had a choice of Sammy Watkins, Kahlil Mack, Jake Matthews, and we took fucking Gilbert.
You see, these trade downs aren't worth it if you don't pick the right player.
Calm the fuck down Walter...
Gilbert had a bad game. I thought Skrine had won the #2 CB job based upon pre-season, but based upon what he showed the staff in practice, Gilbert landed it. In Pettine's words... Gilbert simply did not take what he showed on the practice field to Gameday. And so his role will be reduced for now.
Gilbert was drafted for his potential. He has the biggest upside of the 2014 CBs. But he was also the rawest of the top CBs in that class.
Give Gilbert a year at least. It may lend a lot more credibility to your opinion than your above documented player hindsight...
Until then, calm the fuck down...
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Let's not forget our very own top 5 guy Joe Haden got burnt like toast this past week as well
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Ya, calm down Walt. I agree, he's looked terrible. Everyone that says he'll be fine has no clue whether he will be or not, they're just hoping. We've seen this 1000 times before. But let's wait and see how he develops over the course of the season. So far, off to a bad start. If he's as bad as I fear he could be, the 2013 draft could end up being the biggest 1st round bust in NFL draft history (If JF doesn't pan out).
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Ya, calm down Walt. I agree, he's looked terrible. Everyone that says he'll be fine has no clue whether he will be or not, they're just hoping. We've seen this 1000 times before. But let's wait and see how he develops over the course of the season. So far, off to a bad start. If he's as bad as I fear he could be, the 2013 draft could end up being the biggest 1st round bust in NFL draft history (If JF doesn't pan out).
If he's as bad as I fear he could be, the 2013 draft could end up being the biggest 1st round bust in NFL draft history (If JF doesn't pan out).
pssst... we took JM this year... 2014...
Brain fart aside, I hope we never have to debate the 2012 vs. the 2014 draft...
I'm not sure I could handle that...
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Ya, calm down Walt. I agree, he's looked terrible. Everyone that says he'll be fine has no clue whether he will be or not, they're just hoping. We've seen this 1000 times before. But let's wait and see how he develops over the course of the season. So far, off to a bad start. If he's as bad as I fear he could be, the 2013 draft could end up being the biggest 1st round bust in NFL draft history (If JF doesn't pan out).
Ya, calm down Walt. I agree, he's looked terrible. Everyone that says he'll be fine has no clue whether he will be or not, they're just hoping. We've seen this 1000 times before. But let's wait and see how he develops over the course of the season. So far, off to a bad start. If he's as bad as I fear he could be, the 2013 draft could end up being the biggest 1st round bust in NFL draft history (If JF doesn't pan out).
LOL, that's not even close. Our old pal Trent Richardson, taken @ #3 overall (and don't forget we even gave up picks to take the bum) has the potential to be rated in the top 10 NFL draft busts in history. He's on the Brian Boswoth fast track to oblivion. Box score on T-Rich Sunday? 6 carries, 20 yards (3.3 ypc), 3 receptions 30 yards. Outright highway robbery to get a first round pick for T-Stiff. Gilbert @ #8 won't even be on the radar- even if he winds up as bad as McFadden.
To complete the daily double that year, we took Brandon Wee-Done. I've seen enough of Johnny Football to be pretty confident he won't stink 1\2 as bad as that clunker.
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Justin Gilbert got his ass handed to him all preseason long.
He wasn't even on the same planet as the 3rd stringers. He got owned by guys who have already been cut.
He got his ass handed to him by Ben and soon by Drew Brees and Flacco.
It gets so annoying hearing the "Gilbert will be fine"
it's the same crowd that said "Richardson will be fine, Weeden Will be fine, Holmgren will be great, Chud will be fine, so on so forth".
Gilbert isn't even 5 yards in the area of the people he's supposed to be covering. He's so bad right now and anyone who can't see it is uh... visually impaired.
it's the same crowd that said "Richardson will be fine, Weeden Will be fine, Holmgren will be great, Chud will be fine, so on so forth".
And you would know this because having joined in January of this year you've been reading two-year old threads?
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it's the same crowd that said "Richardson will be fine, Weeden Will be fine, Holmgren will be great, Chud will be fine, so on so forth".
And you would know this because having joined in January of this year you've been reading two-year old threads?
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The other rookie DBs you've pointed out have been playing against 3rd and 4th receivers... It's simple... you can't count on a rookie CB as your starter on the outside. He's going to get burned from time-to-time. Pettine and co. saw size, speed, and great promise, but they gave him too much in game 1. Now he gets scaled back, and guys like Berry and Skrine get to play a little more while Gilbert develops. It's really not the end of the world... Now, at the end of the 2015 season if I'm saying the same sh**, then get on me...
The other rookie DBs you've pointed out have been playing against 3rd and 4th receivers... It's simple... you can't count on a rookie CB as your starter on the outside. He's going to get burned from time-to-time. Pettine and co. saw size, speed, and great promise, but they gave him too much in game 1. Now he gets scaled back, and guys like Berry and Skrine get to play a little more while Gilbert develops. It's really not the end of the world... Now, at the end of the 2015 season if I'm saying the same sh**, then get on me...
1. You're wrong man,
Bradley Roby was covering Reggie Wayne a lot during the night and I saw Varrett on Fitzgerland and Michael Floyd.
2. "He's going to get burned from time to time" He's been burned every singled time, including the preseason. He hasn't made a single play or stopped a single receiver. He's been burned EVERY SINGLE TIME the ball has been thrown his way even in the preseason.
3. He's just not ready for the NFL at this point. This may be a 2-3 year project and if that's the case, he shouldn't have been drafted at 8
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