Gordon Coming Back?

[TypicalBrowns]

@douche-nozzle said:

Okay..... I'd be happy to.

The reason the THC molecules effect you is because they are 1. heated and 2. they bond with fat molecules in your body. This is why you can eat a bunch of weed and get nothing, but if you smoke it (heating the THC and fat molecules together) or make butter with it, you get high.

So, once it has been smoked and exhaled and then drifts to the next guy, I doubt that there is any effect and I doubt if it could be detected in a test.

Good enough?

You are fucking stupid

[TypicalBrowns]

@douche-nozzle said:

Sorry fellas, I'm sure you could both write volumes about how the Browns are better than the Steelers too!

thenew23....I have a riddle for you......If I counsel people on the damages of alcohol abuse, does that make me a brewmeister?

http://www.hightimes.com/read/cannabis-kitchen

And as far as second hand smoke, once most of the THC has been absorbed by the first hand smoker, and there is no heat left in the smoke by the time the second smoker gets it, I doubt there would be much if any THC absorbed into the second hand smoker.

You are fucking stupid

[hoorta]

@douche-nozzle said:

Okay..... I'd be happy to.

The reason the THC molecules effect you is because they are 1. heated and 2. they bond with fat molecules in your body. This is why you can eat a bunch of weed and get nothing, but if you smoke it (heating the THC and fat molecules together) or make butter with it, you get high.

So, once it has been smoked and exhaled and then drifts to the next guy, I doubt that there is any effect and I doubt if it could be detected in a test.

Good enough?

Not good enough. You know what? 40% of the aveoli (that the stuff that gets oxygen- or marijuana into your body) are made of? That would be phospholipids fat in non technical terms. And your brain is loaded with lipids too. It doesn't matter if you smoke it, or eat it- eventually that THC is going to get into your bloodstream- it just takes longer if it's ingested, and maybe not as an efficient way of getting high. I'm not going to look up some scientific article (and I'm sure someone has done the research) on the % of THC that gets absorbed if you munch a loaded up brownie. .

Sort of the same reason people snort cocaine, or shoot up heroin- fastest and most direct way to get maximum effect.

[miktoxic]

@douche-nozzle said:

When you mention eating a cookie or brownie, it has usually been made by someone who knew what they were doing and "cooked" it. If you just grind up weed and put it in cookies or brownies it will do little more than make the cookie or brownie taste bad. This isn't rocket science guys, it's pretty common knowledge.

i guess for those that are stoners.

sure i could find a recipe for how to bake a correct mary jane brownie but i doubt that it is common knowledge to 80% of the world.

[djdawg2010]

@thenew23 said:

I'm a licensed chemical dependency counselor and have been working in the field for nearly 10 years. I have written test questions for the international certification exam you would have to pass to become a professional in my field of work. I have supervised 30+ clinicians, and have been through 500+ hours of specialized training in chemical dependence, on top of my Master's degree. I have dedicated my life to understanding the ways substances work in the brain and body, as well as how addictions develop, and how to prevent addictions and treat people who have them...

But I only know one thing for sure... YOU, my friend, are wrong...

Maybe you should find a better chemist to talk to. Not just your crystal meth dealer. I wouldn't really trust his credentials...

I'll bet you see more problems with stuff like opiates, heroin, coke, meth, and even alcohol than cannabis.

[djdawg2010]

@vagitron said:

I have zero issues with cannabis. I'm a proponent of its legalization for rec and medicinal. In josh Gordon's case and its where everyone seems to want to skim over is whether he was taking a PED or smoking weed he was still regularly breaking the rules.

Good to know you're a supporter! I think within the next 5-10 years prohibition on the federal level goes bye bye. As for Gordon breaking the rules, yes he did. I won't argue that. I simply find the NFL's stance on it to be quite ridiculous as well as draconian in nature.

[LogicIsForSquares]

Other than bickering about THC levels, does anyone have any info on when they plan on doing the actual vote on this?

[thenew23]

@djdawg2010 said:

I'll bet you see more problems with stuff like opiates, heroin, coke, meth, and even alcohol than cannabis.

Most problems seem to be with heroin and opioid pain killers, especially in the past 5-6 years. Alcohol is still a close second. The rest are tied for third most common. Coke is not as common as it used to be, and meth doesn't seem to have reached NE Ohio too bad, yet. I see a lot of marijuana users, most of whom have had DWI's, even caused accidents driving high, or their families just got sick of how lazy they are...

[Kosar_For_President]

Uggg, I am not going to even get in the weed debate here. But people sometimes when you smoke pot it is NOT inhaled to the lungs making it FIRST hand smoke. WTF. Like there is some imagery weed filter in the air.

My argument/question is that Goodell made the decision even though that from the same 2 samples one tested below the 15 whatever level. He would of be not guilty in the court of law. So if the new 50 whatever gets set, does this act like a court of law NOW and hold him to that 15 whatever standard. Someone with more knowledge about the players union should know. Because obviously it does not follow American justice standards.

[Kosar_For_President]

@john_0515 said:

Another Jets fan here.

My God father was their special teams/DC in the early 80's.

[djdawg2010]

@thenew23 said:

Most problems seem to be with heroin and opioid pain killers, especially in the past 5-6 years. Alcohol is still a close second. The rest are tied for third most common. Coke is not as common as it used to be, and meth doesn't seem to have reached NE Ohio too bad, yet. I see a lot of marijuana users, most of whom have had DWI's, even caused accidents driving high, or their families just got sick of how lazy they are...

Trust me. While I support legalization, I do not advocate driving under the influence. You're just asking for problems. But yeah I can see why folks could be admitted for marijuana due to it's status of being illegal. They're being forced to because of the legal issue of getting a DUI. We can and will probably disagree on this, but there isn't conclusive evidence of cannabis being a physically addictive substance like opiates, heroin, or meth. Psychologically? Sure. But then again, one could also get psychologically addicted to eating Doritos. At any rate, withdrawl symptoms are nowhere near as severe as withdrawl from opiate, heroin, meth, or even alcohol. I'm also of the school of thought that use does not necessarily mean abuse.

[JAFBF]

@logicisforsquares said:

Other than bickering about THC levels, does anyone have any info on when they plan on doing the actual vote on this?

Along the lines of this :

Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 27s Source says there were issues with the proposal that the NFL put in front of the players tonight, to the point where it wasn't worth voting.

Last update was it's back to the Lawyers to iron out some things and they hope to vote tonight.

I think I saw one sticking point was the DUI provisions/punishments.

[Tour2ma]

@douche-nozzle said:

When you mention eating a cookie or brownie, it has usually been made by someone who knew what they were doing and "cooked" it. If you just grind up weed and put it in cookies or brownies it will do little more than make the cookie or brownie taste bad. This isn't rocket science guys, it's pretty common knowledge.

Cooked? You mean like baked in the oven and everything? Would seem logical since getting ground up weed in a Little Debbie would take some effort...

@miktoxic said:

sure i could find a recipe for how to bake a correct mary jane brownie but i doubt that it is common knowledge to 80% of the world.

"I Love You Alice B. Tolkas!"... mediocre movie, but Leigh Taylor Young made a pretty hot, doe-eyed Hippie chick...

@douche-nozzle said:

But you would certainly think that these dipshits who are pretending to be experts would know....right?

And by the way, I have never been a stoner but I am intelligent to enough to look at things from a basis of knowledge rather than supposition.

And we're the pretenders? lmao... Your claimed intelligence is a fact not in evidence.

[Mudfly]

@douche-nozzle said:

When you mention eating a cookie or brownie, it has usually been made by someone who knew what they were doing and "cooked" it. If you just grind up weed and put it in cookies or brownies it will do little more than make the cookie or brownie taste bad. This isn't rocket science guys, it's pretty common knowledge.

Well, finally a subject I know all about.....haha....sad, but true....

1) You misinterpreted the High Times article you read. You DEFINITELY get high from eating pot, even if it's raw pot. Positively absolutely very very high. And it is a different type of high, due to the way your body processes it. It also stays detectable in your system MUCH longer because it is attached to fat cells(ONLY because of the digestive process)....but this "attachment" has nothing to do with how one gets high and it is just residual byproduct of what you've eaten....

2) So, the fat cells(in your body) have nothing to do with ANY of this or how your body absorbs pot. The FAT comments were there to suggest the best way to eat pot is to concentrate and bind it with fat for ingestion....which is to make a concentrated extraction called butter/paste/oil(all the same thing basically) and mix it with a fat(cream, butter, etc) that will be dissolved "better and faster" by your digestive system when eaten and prevent the THC from vaporizing during the heating process

3) HEAT or solvents(90 % alcohol is the safest and works best) are used to extract the CB's and THC from the pot to make the concentrated paste/butter. Most often solvents are used, as too much heat can ruin the product if not properly controlled.

4) And making brownies with straight up organic weed WILL get you very high....but weed really doesnt taste good and, if it's not broken down onto a concentrate, it takes a lot more of it to get you high....which, again, makes your brownies not as good tasting......so, stoners who want the best buzz and best tasting brownies use cannabis oil to cook....rookies use straight up weed

Id also add that "ingested" pot will stay in your system at much higher levels for much longer periods of time(cause of the fat cell thing)...

[jim_brown]

@mudfly said:

Well, finally a subject I know all about.....haha....sad, but true....

1) You misinterpreted the High Times article you read. You DEFINITELY get high from eating pot, even if it's raw pot. Positively absolutely very very high. And it is a different type of high, due to the way your body processes it. It also stays detectable in your system MUCH longer because it is attached to fat cells(ONLY because of the digestive process)....but this "attachment" has nothing to do with how one gets high and it is just residual byproduct of what you've eaten....

2) So, the fat cells(in your body) have nothing to do with ANY of this or how your body absorbs pot. The FAT comments were there to suggest the best way to eat pot is to concentrate and bind it with fat for ingestion....which is to make a concentrated extraction called butter/paste/oil(all the same thing basically) and mix it with a fat(cream, butter, etc) that will be dissolved "better and faster" by your digestive system when eaten and prevent the THC from vaporizing during the heating process

3) HEAT or solvents(90 % alcohol is the safest and works best) are used to extract the CB's and THC from the pot to make the concentrated paste/butter. Most often solvents are used, as too much heat can ruin the product if not properly controlled.

4) And making brownies with straight up organic weed WILL get you very high....but weed really doesnt taste good and, if it's not broken down onto a concentrate, it takes a lot more of it to get you high....which, again, makes your brownies not as good tasting......so, stoners who want the best buzz and best tasting brownies use cannabis oil to cook....rookies use straight up weed

Id also add that "ingested" pot will stay in your system at much higher levels for much longer periods of time(cause of the fat cell thing)...

i think we've found the resident expert.....

[Mudfly]

@douche-nozzle said:

Good stuff! Finally someone who can state some factual information without being belligerent. But the original discussion was about second hand smoke and while eating "raw" pot can get you high if you eat enough of it, the bottom line is that concentrating it by heating it and bonding it with fat is much, much, more powerful because of the combination of heat and body fat. So.............the point is that once the first hand smoker has heated it by lighting it, absorbed it, and exhaled it, there just isn't going to be much left by the time it drifts 10 feet away and is inhaled in a diluted form with fresh air. I'd bet you could be in the presence of second hand pot smoke for a long time without it showing up at any level.......too bad there are no tests to prove it one way or the other (I wonder why)

Im no expert on second hand smoke, but I would say there are 2 kinds.....one is smoke that has been inhaled and exhaled by someone and the other being ambient smoke coming off a joint or something......Id think "ambient" smoke could get you pretty high if you inhale enough of it.....like a car full of smoke, for example.....think about paint fumes or other things that can effect you when not directly inhaled to get the idea.......

@jim_brown said:

i think we've found the resident expert.....

.... yes you have.....

[Tour2ma]

@jafbf said:

Along the lines of this :

Last update was it's back to the Lawyers to iron out some things and they hope to vote tonight.

I think I saw one sticking point was the DUI provisions/punishments.

I heard owners had put in proposal that called for suspending players prior to adjudication of DUI's. Big change from the current "let the legal process play out" stance.

I wonder if it was meant to be a Poison Pill.

[Tour2ma]

@douche-nozzle said:

You are really thick! Cooked meaning that it was maintained at 200-225 degrees in oil or butter until all the THC has transferred to the oil or butter then using the butter to make the brownies. Throwing a handful of weed into a brownie mix won't work!

Just like football some of you simply aren't willing to accept reality.

Thick? Moi? No... but will admit I was not familiar with the term cook as you used it. Please answer the following to help fill my education gap...

How do you know when "all of the THC has transferred to the oil or butter"? Color change? Odor?

Why does baking the brownies not work since brownie batter calls for vegetable oil or shortening? The oil is there... the contact is guaranteed... and the batter should inhibit vaporization retaining more THC than say an open pan...

What exactly is shortening?

As for my football reality... it's fine, thank you... How's your's?

[Tour2ma]

@mudfly said:

Im no expert on second hand smoke, but I would say there are 2 kinds.....one is smoke that has been inhaled and exhaled by someone and the other being ambient smoke coming off a joint or something......Id think "ambient" smoke could get you pretty high if you inhale enough of it.....like a car full of smoke, for example.....think about paint fumes or other things that can effect you when not directly inhaled to get the idea.......

... and inhaled smoke that does not touch a respiratory surface is unaltered.

Mud, I still think THC is analogous to nicotine in cigarette smoke. And nicotine presence in exhaled smoke is well documented.

[JAFBF]

Rumor's out that Gordon is back and that Players have tentative deal to bring back about 20 players suspended.