Changes / Improvements during the Bye-Week
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On offense...
1 - hmmm....
I seriously have no problems with the offense. Shanahan needs to lean how to call better plays when we have the lead, like when you have a 21-17 lead against a division rival with the ball in their territory... you HAVE to go for the jugular...
...but other than that these guys have all exceeded my expectations. Literally, every single one of these guys...
On offense...
1 - hmmm....
I seriously have no problems with the offense. Shanahan needs to lean how to call better plays when we have the lead, like when you have a 21-17 lead against a division rival with the ball in their territory... you HAVE to go for the jugular...
...but other than that these guys have all exceeded my expectations. Literally, every single one of these guys...
I agree new I am very very impressed with how this offense has grown over the first three weeks.
Hoyer is looking better and better. He is becoming more comfortable and consistent. He made some fantastic throws and reads Sunday. He didn't leave a whole lot on the field and we can't expect him to make every play and be the catalyst to every win. That's simply unreasonable, unrealistic, and just plain Retarded.
The run game looks great as well. There is room for improvement but overall our O Line is growing into this zone blocking scheme nicely and our backs are simply the perfect match scheme wise. West has some incredible potential but if I'm being honest I'm even more excited about what Crowell is and can become down the line. He is such a punishing runner. He is a bit raw but my God when he takes that handoff he puts the helmet down and rockets straight up field, LOOKING for contact, being the aggressor. I'm so excited for our backfield now and in the future.
And to the trolls calling for Manziel? Just wow... Go fuck yourselves and eat a giant bag of dicks covered in moldy cheese... Hoyer has given us the best QB play we have seen since the return. I personally love everything about him, his attitude, his mental aptitude and toughness, and his drive to make this team something special. I'm proud to have him Quarterbacking my browns!
Now the defense... Good God where to start... There are so many issues as others have stated above...
The D line is just plain getting owned and blown off the ball on the majority of plays. I don't get it as I KNOW we have talented players at the position group.... The most bothersome thing to me is they will have a good play stopping a run for a short gain or in the backfield and then we either get burned by a play action pass or another run. Its like they forget what they did and how they played on the previous play that worked. Were constantly allowing the opposing offense to get back ahead in the down and distance battle or give up a first down period. It's painful.
The team needs to take a week and reevaluate our defensive talent and seriously consider some schematic changes. Its bad enough at this point that experimenting would be more beneficial than harmful.
Go Browns!
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Here's the start :
Pettine remained angry that the team had substitution issues and were twice called for having 12 men on the field on defense. He said had things been handled better on the sidelines, the team wouldn’t have had to burn timeouts.
Pettine had an “air it out” meeting with the staff Monday morning. With a coach who is as direct and honest as Pettine, that meeting might not have been the most pleasant.
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/8221/mike-pettines-frustration-at-loss-remains
Maybe he'll light the right fires.
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Yeah I am hoping Pettine shapes things up. I am sure watching the defense getting gashed is not sitting well with a defensively minded coach.
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I wonder how our Defensive performance correlates to who is calling the plays. For example, do we only suck when O'neil is calling the plays or is it just all the time?
I'm not too worried about Pettine or Shanahan. I worry about Tabor because our STs is playing very "boneheaded" this season thus far.
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I'm so tired of this idea so many Browns fans buy into this fabricated hype that we have a good defense. It's average at best.
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There's a tremendous difference between having an average defense with a coach like Pettine that has fielded elite squads. Or say a coach like Shurmur that honestly didn't give two shits so long as they didn't give up 40ppg and the offense completed those stupid rollouts on 3rd and short.
I like having a coach that wants/demands better and isn't afraid to get very vocal about it.
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I'm so tired of this idea so many Browns fans buy into this fabricated hype that we have a good defense. It's average at best.
I'm so tired of this idea so many Browns fans buy into this fabricated hype that we have a good defense. It's average at best.
We have defensive talent. If you can't see that you don't know football, I'm just not sure why it's not coming together... Scheme, playcalling, gameplanning, poor execution, etc?
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Maybe the long snapper has a sore knee, or shoulder, or
has been having muscle spasms in his back, or has
malaria.
Dang, all these negative jumps to conclusions....
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Do not start Haden. That doesn't mean don't play him. Just don't start him. He has been soft so far this year, and I think his big payday has gone to his head, and needs a reality check. He should be ashamed for letting himself get owned by old ass Steve Smith. He is past his prime and on the back 9 of his career!
wow.
you know how many 5 star CBs steve smith has owned in his career? backend of his career yeah maybe but i bet if they played NE revis would be on him....seattle sherman would be on him. i saw (not the game) but the replay of the play that cost us the game and haden go beat with speed...barely. BUT whitner was right there with the backside help to knock him out of bounds.
teams win games on huge clutch/lucky catches and plays.
the first game we should have won if we had played for 60 fucking mintues. sunday we should have won for other reasons besides calling out one single player. we SHOULD be 3-0.
just shut the fuck up.
wow.
you know how many 5 star CBs steve smith has owned in his career? backend of his career yeah maybe but i bet if they played NE revis would be on him....seattle sherman would be on him. i saw (not the game) but the replay of the play that cost us the game and haden go beat with speed...barely. BUT whitner was right there with the backside help to knock him out of bounds.
teams win games on huge clutch/lucky catches and plays.
the first game we should have won if we had played for 60 fucking mintues. sunday we should have won for other reasons besides calling out one single player. we SHOULD be 3-0.
just shut the fuck up.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but didn't! There are no moral victories in football! The fact is we are 1-2 and not 3-0, and while there has been improvements, until the Browns figure out how to finish off the opponent when they have the opportunitity to do so, they will continue to come up short! And yes I'm aware of Steve Smith owning 5 star CBs in his career. However; he is on the back 9 of his career, and you don't let someone past his prime beat you like that in clutch time! I've always been a Haden supporter, but he has been playing soft so far this year! I didn't say bench him! I said don't start him! At any rate he'd better figure it out before the Pukers come to town again, because I'm also sick of seeing him getting his ass owned by that punk ass Antonio Brown!
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I would not be opposed to some cuts and fa pickups. Maybe a trade?
Obviously we need some more film study and practice.
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I need to drink more during the games.
I need to drink more during the games.
Go to the tavern
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They need to get the penalties under control. Its not even about the illegal contact because its getting called on everyone. Its the illegal formation, holding, etc.
Funny our special teams used to be the only bright spot on the team and now its a joke. I think Benjamin has the moves, but hes not comfortable catching the punt with defenders running at him. I think his body language just seems like he is kind of hesitant and the catch always looks awkward. I would like to see Gabriel returning punts personally.
Nothing personal to West, but I want to see more of Crowell. I want to see Crowell running screen routes. Secondarys will have trouble getting him to the ground. I love the way this guy runs.
Cameron needs to make a bigger impact. Maybe its the scheme, maybe its a lack of motivation, but he just hasn't been that effective.
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Fix the front 7.
Taylor, Rubin, Winn, Robertson, Kirskey, Mingo, Sheard, Kruger, all of them.
Stop the run.
Rush the passer.
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I've never thought about how Bye-weeks are assigned.
Apparently neither has Whitner since we share a Week 4 bye with Seattle and Denver and Cinci and Arizona and St. Louis...
"'The NFL sets it up,' (Whitner) said. 'If they don’t have any expectations for you, they give you a bye week early. If they expect you to go to the Super Bowl, they give you a bye week late.'"
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More back on topic...
Apparently those of us looking for Pettine to be more hands-on in calling the D in-game will not have our wish granted.
"The Browns will devote part of the bye week to improving their surprisingly porous defense.
Just about all options are under consideration except for who makes the defensive calls and how they arrive at them."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/09/cleveland_browns_coach_mike_pe_6.html
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More back on topic...
Apparently those of us looking for Pettine to be more hands-on in calling the D in-game will not have our wish granted.
"The Browns will devote part of the bye week to improving their surprisingly porous defense.
Just about all options are under consideration except for who makes the defensive calls and how they arrive at them."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/09/cleveland_browns_coach_mike_pe_6.html
More back on topic...
Apparently those of us looking for Pettine to be more hands-on in calling the D in-game will not have our wish granted.
"The Browns will devote part of the bye week to improving their surprisingly porous defense.
Just about all options are under consideration except for who makes the defensive calls and how they arrive at them."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/09/cleveland_browns_coach_mike_pe_6.html
Pettine will just stand over the DC's shoulder and whisper the plays into his ear so we can all pretend like the DC is still making the calls.
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My bye week adjustments would be:
* Come out featuring Crowell for one game and see if he explodes. 20 plus carries. Just once. Please.
* Use Gilbert on punt returns. Benji has lost it and Gilbert can be great. Plus, he needs to earn his keep and build a little self confidence.
* Use Johnny as the new holder on extra points and FG's. Creates a whole new dimension and get's his head in the game. Plus, they'd have to account for him....and that would sure as hell cut down on the rush and give our guy a chance to get the kick off
* Keep Skrine as the starter. He's earned it and is playing pretty good ball.
* Just start Kirksey. The time is now, while we're still working thru the problems on D(not after). He's the future and can be an every down LB with a little experience. And Robinson is so very average, with little upside.
* Keep Sheard as your starter. He has been exceptional compared to what Mingo was giving us. Use Mingo to rest players or for passing situations only.
* Get that D line in synch. I dont know WHAT their problem is. The talent is there. Not sure if it's scheme, execution or effort, but they need to work it out ....... soon would be nice....
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Dear Mr. Pettine:
The BB would like you to consider the following changes / improvements to the time during the Bye-week:
1) replace Mingo as a starter with Sheard (accountability)
2) review films of last year to determine why we've digressed in defending the run. I hope it's not Jackson/Ward. Jim O'Neil needs to fix things fast!!
3) get the CB's back to work on the basic fundamentals of receiver coverage
4) replace Benji on punt returns (accountability)
5) find out why every field goal or POT snap is inaccurate - Christian Yount may be an issue
6) look into a possible replacement for Billy Cundiff either now or at the end of the season
7) fire Chris Tabor immediately and start making people realize accountability matters
the team needs to rebound against Tennessee - make sure that they realize the critical importance of this game. Lose to the Titans and the two weeks would have been wasted. There must be a sense of urgency to fix our issues! BB fans, please add you suggestions to this list
Very good! Billy Cundiff needs to be replaced as soon as possible. There are kickers out there.Dear Mr. Pettine:
The BB would like you to consider the following changes / improvements to the time during the Bye-week:
1) replace Mingo as a starter with Sheard (accountability)
2) review films of last year to determine why we've digressed in defending the run. I hope it's not Jackson/Ward. Jim O'Neil needs to fix things fast!!
3) get the CB's back to work on the basic fundamentals of receiver coverage
4) replace Benji on punt returns (accountability)
5) find out why every field goal or POT snap is inaccurate - Christian Yount may be an issue
6) look into a possible replacement for Billy Cundiff either now or at the end of the season
7) fire Chris Tabor immediately and start making people realize accountability matters
the team needs to rebound against Tennessee - make sure that they realize the critical importance of this game. Lose to the Titans and the two weeks would have been wasted. There must be a sense of urgency to fix our issues! BB fans, please add you suggestions to this list
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