Changes / Improvements during the Bye-Week
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Too many problems on D to list... but I'll try...
You did more than try... well done...
Slight disagreement on Gipson for a couple reasons...
1. Lack if hitting in secondary.
Latest example was completion to Smith in front of him Sunday. He had no play on the ball so going low and hard was his only break-up possibility... possibly with a flip inducing hit. Instead he actually extended his arms essentially cushioning what the blow he delivered.
2. Great centerfielder, but...
He has not challenged a catch this year that I can recall. After looking at Smith's late catch to set up the winning FG, Gip may have been responsible for helping Haden over the top.
I think my 4-3 argument addresses a couple of the issues you cite... Billy Winn for one; Mingo for another... also should keep blockers off of our LBs better (emphasis on "should")...
Agree?
Slight disagreement on Gipson for a couple reasons...
2. Great centerfielder, but...
He has not challenged a catch this year that I can recall. After looking at Smith's late catch to set up the winning FG, Gip may have been responsible for helping Haden over the top.
Got the above wrong...
Just saw a replay and it was Whitner that was late over the top. So if anyone had that assignment, it was him.
Sad thing is it was the kind of play I remember him making for SF, that made me smile when I heard we signed him. However, in SF it seemed he either picked those throws or broke up the pass with a big hit-ner.
Good thing he did not change his name...
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I forgot to add: start Kirksey over Robertson
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How about putting Justin Gilbert back to catch punts?
He was GREAT in college and Travis Benjamin is, by his own admission, scared to make a mistake
Plus it might give Gilbert some confidence in his ability
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Do not start Haden. That doesn't mean don't play him. Just don't start him. He has been soft so far this year, and I think his big payday has gone to his head, and needs a reality check. He should be ashamed for letting himself get owned by old ass Steve Smith. He is past his prime and on the back 9 of his career!
Do not start Haden. That doesn't mean don't play him. Just don't start him. He has been soft so far this year, and I think his big payday has gone to his head, and needs a reality check. He should be ashamed for letting himself get owned by old ass Steve Smith. He is past his prime and on the back 9 of his career!
wow.
you know how many 5 star CBs steve smith has owned in his career? backend of his career yeah maybe but i bet if they played NE revis would be on him....seattle sherman would be on him. i saw (not the game) but the replay of the play that cost us the game and haden go beat with speed...barely. BUT whitner was right there with the backside help to knock him out of bounds.
teams win games on huge clutch/lucky catches and plays.
the first game we should have won if we had played for 60 fucking mintues. sunday we should have won for other reasons besides calling out one single player. we SHOULD be 3-0.
just shut the fuck up.
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"teams win games on huge clutch/lucky catches and plays"
they also lose games when our so-called elite cb gets burned
Haden gave up the losing TD last year against some scrub QB and a scrub Wr to JAX.
HADEN IS NOT AS GOOD AS YOU THINK
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On offense...
1 - hmmm....
I seriously have no problems with the offense. Shanahan needs to lean how to call better plays when we have the lead, like when you have a 21-17 lead against a division rival with the ball in their territory... you HAVE to go for the jugular...
...but other than that these guys have all exceeded my expectations. Literally, every single one of these guys...
On offense...
1 - hmmm....
I seriously have no problems with the offense. Shanahan needs to lean how to call better plays when we have the lead, like when you have a 21-17 lead against a division rival with the ball in their territory... you HAVE to go for the jugular...
...but other than that these guys have all exceeded my expectations. Literally, every single one of these guys...
I agree new I am very very impressed with how this offense has grown over the first three weeks.
Hoyer is looking better and better. He is becoming more comfortable and consistent. He made some fantastic throws and reads Sunday. He didn't leave a whole lot on the field and we can't expect him to make every play and be the catalyst to every win. That's simply unreasonable, unrealistic, and just plain Retarded.
The run game looks great as well. There is room for improvement but overall our O Line is growing into this zone blocking scheme nicely and our backs are simply the perfect match scheme wise. West has some incredible potential but if I'm being honest I'm even more excited about what Crowell is and can become down the line. He is such a punishing runner. He is a bit raw but my God when he takes that handoff he puts the helmet down and rockets straight up field, LOOKING for contact, being the aggressor. I'm so excited for our backfield now and in the future.
And to the trolls calling for Manziel? Just wow... Go fuck yourselves and eat a giant bag of dicks covered in moldy cheese... Hoyer has given us the best QB play we have seen since the return. I personally love everything about him, his attitude, his mental aptitude and toughness, and his drive to make this team something special. I'm proud to have him Quarterbacking my browns!
Now the defense... Good God where to start... There are so many issues as others have stated above...
The D line is just plain getting owned and blown off the ball on the majority of plays. I don't get it as I KNOW we have talented players at the position group.... The most bothersome thing to me is they will have a good play stopping a run for a short gain or in the backfield and then we either get burned by a play action pass or another run. Its like they forget what they did and how they played on the previous play that worked. Were constantly allowing the opposing offense to get back ahead in the down and distance battle or give up a first down period. It's painful.
The team needs to take a week and reevaluate our defensive talent and seriously consider some schematic changes. Its bad enough at this point that experimenting would be more beneficial than harmful.
Go Browns!
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Here's the start :
Pettine remained angry that the team had substitution issues and were twice called for having 12 men on the field on defense. He said had things been handled better on the sidelines, the team wouldn’t have had to burn timeouts.
Pettine had an “air it out” meeting with the staff Monday morning. With a coach who is as direct and honest as Pettine, that meeting might not have been the most pleasant.
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/8221/mike-pettines-frustration-at-loss-remains
Maybe he'll light the right fires.
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Yeah I am hoping Pettine shapes things up. I am sure watching the defense getting gashed is not sitting well with a defensively minded coach.
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I wonder how our Defensive performance correlates to who is calling the plays. For example, do we only suck when O'neil is calling the plays or is it just all the time?
I'm not too worried about Pettine or Shanahan. I worry about Tabor because our STs is playing very "boneheaded" this season thus far.
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I'm so tired of this idea so many Browns fans buy into this fabricated hype that we have a good defense. It's average at best.
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There's a tremendous difference between having an average defense with a coach like Pettine that has fielded elite squads. Or say a coach like Shurmur that honestly didn't give two shits so long as they didn't give up 40ppg and the offense completed those stupid rollouts on 3rd and short.
I like having a coach that wants/demands better and isn't afraid to get very vocal about it.
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I'm so tired of this idea so many Browns fans buy into this fabricated hype that we have a good defense. It's average at best.
I'm so tired of this idea so many Browns fans buy into this fabricated hype that we have a good defense. It's average at best.
We have defensive talent. If you can't see that you don't know football, I'm just not sure why it's not coming together... Scheme, playcalling, gameplanning, poor execution, etc?
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Maybe the long snapper has a sore knee, or shoulder, or
has been having muscle spasms in his back, or has
malaria.
Dang, all these negative jumps to conclusions....
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Do not start Haden. That doesn't mean don't play him. Just don't start him. He has been soft so far this year, and I think his big payday has gone to his head, and needs a reality check. He should be ashamed for letting himself get owned by old ass Steve Smith. He is past his prime and on the back 9 of his career!
wow.
you know how many 5 star CBs steve smith has owned in his career? backend of his career yeah maybe but i bet if they played NE revis would be on him....seattle sherman would be on him. i saw (not the game) but the replay of the play that cost us the game and haden go beat with speed...barely. BUT whitner was right there with the backside help to knock him out of bounds.
teams win games on huge clutch/lucky catches and plays.
the first game we should have won if we had played for 60 fucking mintues. sunday we should have won for other reasons besides calling out one single player. we SHOULD be 3-0.
just shut the fuck up.
wow.
you know how many 5 star CBs steve smith has owned in his career? backend of his career yeah maybe but i bet if they played NE revis would be on him....seattle sherman would be on him. i saw (not the game) but the replay of the play that cost us the game and haden go beat with speed...barely. BUT whitner was right there with the backside help to knock him out of bounds.
teams win games on huge clutch/lucky catches and plays.
the first game we should have won if we had played for 60 fucking mintues. sunday we should have won for other reasons besides calling out one single player. we SHOULD be 3-0.
just shut the fuck up.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but didn't! There are no moral victories in football! The fact is we are 1-2 and not 3-0, and while there has been improvements, until the Browns figure out how to finish off the opponent when they have the opportunitity to do so, they will continue to come up short! And yes I'm aware of Steve Smith owning 5 star CBs in his career. However; he is on the back 9 of his career, and you don't let someone past his prime beat you like that in clutch time! I've always been a Haden supporter, but he has been playing soft so far this year! I didn't say bench him! I said don't start him! At any rate he'd better figure it out before the Pukers come to town again, because I'm also sick of seeing him getting his ass owned by that punk ass Antonio Brown!
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I would not be opposed to some cuts and fa pickups. Maybe a trade?
Obviously we need some more film study and practice.
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I need to drink more during the games.
I need to drink more during the games.
Go to the tavern
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They need to get the penalties under control. Its not even about the illegal contact because its getting called on everyone. Its the illegal formation, holding, etc.
Funny our special teams used to be the only bright spot on the team and now its a joke. I think Benjamin has the moves, but hes not comfortable catching the punt with defenders running at him. I think his body language just seems like he is kind of hesitant and the catch always looks awkward. I would like to see Gabriel returning punts personally.
Nothing personal to West, but I want to see more of Crowell. I want to see Crowell running screen routes. Secondarys will have trouble getting him to the ground. I love the way this guy runs.
Cameron needs to make a bigger impact. Maybe its the scheme, maybe its a lack of motivation, but he just hasn't been that effective.
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Fix the front 7.
Taylor, Rubin, Winn, Robertson, Kirskey, Mingo, Sheard, Kruger, all of them.
Stop the run.
Rush the passer.
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