Gilbert in the first round?
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I agree, it is pretty sorry that after 3 games some are calling players busts....it's crazy.
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I hope that every person bitching about busts is a rich and successful billionaire who knew how to do everything at an expert level before ever having to try it. Just came out of the womb ready to ride a bike and shit in a toilet.
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CB's historically are not very good as rookies. There is a big difference defending one or two WR's a year with NFL talent compared to every game doing it. Guys like Leon Hall, Jonathan Joesph, even Patrick Peterson were not very good year one. I'd not worry too much this year, but if after next year you don't see improvment then you can worry a bit.
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What happened to our fans? Bunch of whiny bitches anymore. 3 games? WTF, it's not out of the ordinary for rookie cornerbacks to struggle.
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Lose a close game because of a blocked fg and suddenly it's Alice in Wonderland ("Off with their heads!!").
Now if West hadn't moved on Johnny's 37 yd. gain and if the fg was made would we be saying, "Pettine is King of the World!!" ? Yeah!
So we lost a close one. Who doesn't in the NFL?
Pussies.
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walter is just a big fucking bitch right now.
who pissed in your wheaties?
3 fricking games which one of the players you're screaming about has only played 2.
trade manziel. with your thinking with the 6 plays we've seen of him he is a bust and bye bye.
meanwhile you were sucking his cock for like 4 months.
are you smoking dust or something?
walter is just a big fucking bitch right now.
He had a good couple weeks between the end of his JM affair and 1st half of our opener.
Or was it between opener's halftime and game 3's halftime?
Pussies.
Clearly... posting here has affected you...
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If the GMs of their respective teams thought like some of you Browns "fans" did, the following players would've been considered busts in their first year and been cut/traded:
Robert Mathis: 3 sacks in his first year
Robert Quinn: 5 sacks in his first year
Greg Hardy: 3 sacks in his first year
Mario Williams: 4.5 sacks in his first year
Cameron Jordan: 1 sack in his first year
Brent Grimes: 1 int, 6 PD in first two years.
Tim Jennings: 0 int, 3 PD in first two years.
So let's check the OMG-the-sky-is-falling attitude for a bit.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
That's why I hate drafting in the top 10. You always expect that guy to be a superstar and when he's not we tend to freak out. Pick somebody at 25 and there's not as much pressure. I'd rather trade a top 10 pick for 3 second round trips to the well.
WSS
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That's why I hate drafting in the top 10. You always expect that guy to be a superstar and when he's not we tend to freak out. Pick somebody at 25 and there's not as much pressure. I'd rather trade a top 10 pick for 3 second round trips to the well.
WSS
That's why I hate drafting in the top 10. You always expect that guy to be a superstar and when he's not we tend to freak out. Pick somebody at 25 and there's not as much pressure. I'd rather trade a top 10 pick for 3 second round trips to the well.
WSS
Especially in this last draft where half the second round picks were first round talent.
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Um... it's perfectly normal that a rookie CB struggles out of the gate. Three games and you're calling him a bust?
Ridiculous.
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The issue isn't Gilbert, it was Manziel. We could had gotten a number of other solid players but we choose to take a QB that will be nothing but a gimmick show this season.
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CB's historically are not very good as rookies. There is a big difference defending one or two WR's a year with NFL talent compared to every game doing it. Guys like Leon Hall, Jonathan Joesph, even Patrick Peterson were not very good year one. I'd not worry too much this year, but if after next year you don't see improvment then you can worry a bit.
The problem is his game is full of holes. It's not a few mechanical errors, it's everything. He can't tackle, is NOT physical, and would rather take a receiver out and get the pass interference than make a play on the ball.CB's historically are not very good as rookies. There is a big difference defending one or two WR's a year with NFL talent compared to every game doing it. Guys like Leon Hall, Jonathan Joesph, even Patrick Peterson were not very good year one. I'd not worry too much this year, but if after next year you don't see improvment then you can worry a bit.
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You're comparing Justin Gilbert to hall of fame QB's.
Think about that.
umm...were they Hall of Famers their first year? Or were they losing straight out of the gate...which is my point . Do not write them off so soon.
umm...were they Hall of Famers their first year? Or were they losing straight out of the gate...which is my point . Do not write them off so soon.
By that logic should we give colt McCoy another chance? Brandon weeden? Maybe Trent Richardson? We can't write them off because they might be in the HOF one day.
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there were better cornerbacks in the 2014 draft than Justin Gilbert. Look what Kyle Fuller is doing in Chicago! I think the Browns rushed their decision when they should have been planning for the present as well as the future. A stud receiver for Brian Hoyer and a Quarterback at #26.
Year after year the Browns waste their first round pick and I have grown up, became a mother and now a GRANDMOTHERS without a Super Bowl appearance. Can you say; Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Barkevious Mingo, and Brandon Weeden!
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What makes me want to vomit is how we continually trade down and those trade downs are meaningless when you get nothing in return.
Atlanta absolutely HOSED us because all we got was FATASS Phil Taylor and a ginger hack QB and they have Julio Jones.
Now, Buffalo will reap the benefits of Sammy Watkins when him or Mack could have been ours.
Instead, we outsmart ourselves and trade down to get Justin GilBURNT and whatever bonafide bust we get next year.
2011 - Phil Taylor over JJ Watt and Julio Jones
2012 - Trent Richardson and Brandon fucking Weeden
2013 - Mingo
2014 - Gilburnt over Watkins, Mack, Mathews, etc. and Manziel who is unknown at this point.
That's 6 1st round picks in 4 years and not a single one of them are good. That's pitiful.
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If the GMs of their respective teams thought like some of you Browns "fans" did, the following players would've been considered busts in their first year and been cut/traded:
Robert Mathis: 3 sacks in his first year
Robert Quinn: 5 sacks in his first year
Greg Hardy: 3 sacks in his first year
Mario Williams: 4.5 sacks in his first year
Cameron Jordan: 1 sack in his first year
Brent Grimes: 1 int, 6 PD in first two years.
Tim Jennings: 0 int, 3 PD in first two years.
So let's check the OMG-the-sky-is-falling attitude for a bit.
But the difference is they don't do it again and again. It's the same crap for us every year.If the GMs of their respective teams thought like some of you Browns "fans" did, the following players would've been considered busts in their first year and been cut/traded:
Robert Mathis: 3 sacks in his first year
Robert Quinn: 5 sacks in his first year
Greg Hardy: 3 sacks in his first year
Mario Williams: 4.5 sacks in his first year
Cameron Jordan: 1 sack in his first year
Brent Grimes: 1 int, 6 PD in first two years.
Tim Jennings: 0 int, 3 PD in first two years.
So let's check the OMG-the-sky-is-falling attitude for a bit.
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A bust after 3 games. He's not even starting. The shit i read on this board is amazing.
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