Gilbert in the first round?
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If the GMs of their respective teams thought like some of you Browns "fans" did, the following players would've been considered busts in their first year and been cut/traded:
Robert Mathis: 3 sacks in his first year
Robert Quinn: 5 sacks in his first year
Greg Hardy: 3 sacks in his first year
Mario Williams: 4.5 sacks in his first year
Cameron Jordan: 1 sack in his first year
Brent Grimes: 1 int, 6 PD in first two years.
Tim Jennings: 0 int, 3 PD in first two years.
So let's check the OMG-the-sky-is-falling attitude for a bit.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
That's why I hate drafting in the top 10. You always expect that guy to be a superstar and when he's not we tend to freak out. Pick somebody at 25 and there's not as much pressure. I'd rather trade a top 10 pick for 3 second round trips to the well.
WSS
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That's why I hate drafting in the top 10. You always expect that guy to be a superstar and when he's not we tend to freak out. Pick somebody at 25 and there's not as much pressure. I'd rather trade a top 10 pick for 3 second round trips to the well.
WSS
That's why I hate drafting in the top 10. You always expect that guy to be a superstar and when he's not we tend to freak out. Pick somebody at 25 and there's not as much pressure. I'd rather trade a top 10 pick for 3 second round trips to the well.
WSS
Especially in this last draft where half the second round picks were first round talent.
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Um... it's perfectly normal that a rookie CB struggles out of the gate. Three games and you're calling him a bust?
Ridiculous.
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The issue isn't Gilbert, it was Manziel. We could had gotten a number of other solid players but we choose to take a QB that will be nothing but a gimmick show this season.
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CB's historically are not very good as rookies. There is a big difference defending one or two WR's a year with NFL talent compared to every game doing it. Guys like Leon Hall, Jonathan Joesph, even Patrick Peterson were not very good year one. I'd not worry too much this year, but if after next year you don't see improvment then you can worry a bit.
The problem is his game is full of holes. It's not a few mechanical errors, it's everything. He can't tackle, is NOT physical, and would rather take a receiver out and get the pass interference than make a play on the ball.CB's historically are not very good as rookies. There is a big difference defending one or two WR's a year with NFL talent compared to every game doing it. Guys like Leon Hall, Jonathan Joesph, even Patrick Peterson were not very good year one. I'd not worry too much this year, but if after next year you don't see improvment then you can worry a bit.
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You're comparing Justin Gilbert to hall of fame QB's.
Think about that.
umm...were they Hall of Famers their first year? Or were they losing straight out of the gate...which is my point . Do not write them off so soon.
umm...were they Hall of Famers their first year? Or were they losing straight out of the gate...which is my point . Do not write them off so soon.
By that logic should we give colt McCoy another chance? Brandon weeden? Maybe Trent Richardson? We can't write them off because they might be in the HOF one day.
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there were better cornerbacks in the 2014 draft than Justin Gilbert. Look what Kyle Fuller is doing in Chicago! I think the Browns rushed their decision when they should have been planning for the present as well as the future. A stud receiver for Brian Hoyer and a Quarterback at #26.
Year after year the Browns waste their first round pick and I have grown up, became a mother and now a GRANDMOTHERS without a Super Bowl appearance. Can you say; Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Barkevious Mingo, and Brandon Weeden!
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What makes me want to vomit is how we continually trade down and those trade downs are meaningless when you get nothing in return.
Atlanta absolutely HOSED us because all we got was FATASS Phil Taylor and a ginger hack QB and they have Julio Jones.
Now, Buffalo will reap the benefits of Sammy Watkins when him or Mack could have been ours.
Instead, we outsmart ourselves and trade down to get Justin GilBURNT and whatever bonafide bust we get next year.
2011 - Phil Taylor over JJ Watt and Julio Jones
2012 - Trent Richardson and Brandon fucking Weeden
2013 - Mingo
2014 - Gilburnt over Watkins, Mack, Mathews, etc. and Manziel who is unknown at this point.
That's 6 1st round picks in 4 years and not a single one of them are good. That's pitiful.
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If the GMs of their respective teams thought like some of you Browns "fans" did, the following players would've been considered busts in their first year and been cut/traded:
Robert Mathis: 3 sacks in his first year
Robert Quinn: 5 sacks in his first year
Greg Hardy: 3 sacks in his first year
Mario Williams: 4.5 sacks in his first year
Cameron Jordan: 1 sack in his first year
Brent Grimes: 1 int, 6 PD in first two years.
Tim Jennings: 0 int, 3 PD in first two years.
So let's check the OMG-the-sky-is-falling attitude for a bit.
But the difference is they don't do it again and again. It's the same crap for us every year.If the GMs of their respective teams thought like some of you Browns "fans" did, the following players would've been considered busts in their first year and been cut/traded:
Robert Mathis: 3 sacks in his first year
Robert Quinn: 5 sacks in his first year
Greg Hardy: 3 sacks in his first year
Mario Williams: 4.5 sacks in his first year
Cameron Jordan: 1 sack in his first year
Brent Grimes: 1 int, 6 PD in first two years.
Tim Jennings: 0 int, 3 PD in first two years.
So let's check the OMG-the-sky-is-falling attitude for a bit.
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A bust after 3 games. He's not even starting. The shit i read on this board is amazing.
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ve been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years I will now stop saying, "there's always next year".
Can anyone please explain why the Browns didn't draft Mike Evans at #4 and a Q.B. At #26?
They weren't planning on playing the rookie quarterback so why not draft Garapollo at 26 leaving plenty of time to get the worst cornerback in the draft.
Gilbert is a bust and we now have Andrew Hawkins as our first string wide receiver. Ray Farmer and Petine will be job hunting next year. Let me do the draft! At least I know how!
First... pay attention to your elders, kid.
Second, are you decrying the Hawkins that is 14th in the league in receiving yardage with 244 on 21 catches? The Hawkins who is our #2 WR behind Austin? (Who by the way has 14 catches for 115.)
And you're wanting Evans??? Mike Evans??? The TB rookie that has 13 catches for 148?
Not #4 overall Watkins (13 for 176 despite missing a game)? Or #20 Cooks (18 for 168)?
Watkins and Cooks too short.. OK...
How 'bout #28 overall Benjamin (16 for 263)?
Let you run our draft? Ummmm... no. Not if you'd have taken Evans at #4... or #8.
Welcome to the Browns Board...
First... pay attention to your elders, kid.Second, are you decrying the Hawkins that is 14th in the league in receiving yardage with 244 on 21 catches? The Hawkins who is our #2 WR behind Austin? (Who by the way has 14 catches for 115.)And you're wanting Evans??? Mike Evans??? The TB rookie that has 13 catches for 148?Not #4 overall Watkins (13 for 176 despite missing a game)? Or #20 Cooks (18 for 168)?Watkins and Cooks too short.. OK...How 'bout #28 overall Benjamin (16 for 263)?Let you run our draft? Ummmm... no. Not if you'd have taken Evans at #4... or #8.Welcome to the Browns Board...
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
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I've been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years I will now stop saying, "there's always next year".
Can anyone please explain why the Browns didn't draft Mike Evans at #4 and a Q.B. At #26?
They weren't planning on playing the rookie quarterback so why not draft Garapollo at 26 leaving plenty of time to get the worst cornerback in the draft.
Gilbert is a bust and we now have Andrew Hawkins as our first string wide receiver. Ray Farmer and Petine will be job hunting next year. Let me do the draft! At least I know how!
I've been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
for someone who is at least 60 you can't lie for shit.
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there were better cornerbacks in the 2014 draft than Justin Gilbert. Look what Kyle Fuller is doing in Chicago! I think the Browns rushed their decision when they should have been planning for the present as well as the future. A stud receiver for Brian Hoyer and a Quarterback at #26.
Year after year the Browns waste their first round pick and I have grown up, became a mother and now a GRANDMOTHERS without a Super Bowl appearance. Can you say; Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Barkevious Mingo, and Brandon Weeden!
there were better cornerbacks in the 2014 draft than Justin Gilbert. Look what Kyle Fuller is doing in Chicago! I think the Browns rushed their decision when they should have been planning for the present as well as the future. A stud receiver for Brian Hoyer and a Quarterback at #26.
Year after year the Browns waste their first round pick and I have grown up, became a mother and now a GRANDMOTHERS without a Super Bowl appearance. Can you say; Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Barkevious Mingo, and Brandon Weeden!
Unless you have some sort of psychic ability and can predict how draft picks will turn out STFU. It's the luck of the draw, and our luck is just turning. Support the Bucs since you live in Tampa now, and read some conspiracy theory bullshit on 9/11.
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First... pay attention to your elders, kid.Second, are you decrying the Hawkins that is 14th in the league in receiving yardage with 244 on 21 catches? The Hawkins who is our #2 WR behind Austin? (Who by the way has 14 catches for 115.)And you're wanting Evans??? Mike Evans??? The TB rookie that has 13 catches for 148?Not #4 overall Watkins (13 for 176 despite missing a game)? Or #20 Cooks (18 for 168)?Watkins and Cooks too short.. OK...How 'bout #28 overall Benjamin (16 for 263)?Let you run our draft? Ummmm... no. Not if you'd have taken Evans at #4... or #8.Welcome to the Browns Board...
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
Hahah. Grandmother and you still think like a teenager?
Just a small piece of information, even if we do "get it" we have zero impact on who the browns draft and play. So either be a fan or find a new team.
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First... pay attention to your elders, kid.Second, are you decrying the Hawkins that is 14th in the league in receiving yardage with 244 on 21 catches? The Hawkins who is our #2 WR behind Austin? (Who by the way has 14 catches for 115.)And you're wanting Evans??? Mike Evans??? The TB rookie that has 13 catches for 148?Not #4 overall Watkins (13 for 176 despite missing a game)? Or #20 Cooks (18 for 168)?Watkins and Cooks too short.. OK...How 'bout #28 overall Benjamin (16 for 263)?Let you run our draft? Ummmm... no. Not if you'd have taken Evans at #4... or #8.Welcome to the Browns Board...
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
Before the draft a lot of people thought we were a bad team with no QB. Now they just think we are a bad team.
"Homies"... word choice of men pushing 60 throughout the U.S. of A...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
Before the draft a lot of people thought we were a bad team with no QB. Now they just think we are a bad team.
"Homies"... word choice of men pushing 60 throughout the U.S. of A...
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