Gilbert in the first round?
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The issue isn't Gilbert, it was Manziel. We could had gotten a number of other solid players but we choose to take a QB that will be nothing but a gimmick show this season.
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CB's historically are not very good as rookies. There is a big difference defending one or two WR's a year with NFL talent compared to every game doing it. Guys like Leon Hall, Jonathan Joesph, even Patrick Peterson were not very good year one. I'd not worry too much this year, but if after next year you don't see improvment then you can worry a bit.
The problem is his game is full of holes. It's not a few mechanical errors, it's everything. He can't tackle, is NOT physical, and would rather take a receiver out and get the pass interference than make a play on the ball.CB's historically are not very good as rookies. There is a big difference defending one or two WR's a year with NFL talent compared to every game doing it. Guys like Leon Hall, Jonathan Joesph, even Patrick Peterson were not very good year one. I'd not worry too much this year, but if after next year you don't see improvment then you can worry a bit.
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You're comparing Justin Gilbert to hall of fame QB's.
Think about that.
umm...were they Hall of Famers their first year? Or were they losing straight out of the gate...which is my point . Do not write them off so soon.
umm...were they Hall of Famers their first year? Or were they losing straight out of the gate...which is my point . Do not write them off so soon.
By that logic should we give colt McCoy another chance? Brandon weeden? Maybe Trent Richardson? We can't write them off because they might be in the HOF one day.
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there were better cornerbacks in the 2014 draft than Justin Gilbert. Look what Kyle Fuller is doing in Chicago! I think the Browns rushed their decision when they should have been planning for the present as well as the future. A stud receiver for Brian Hoyer and a Quarterback at #26.
Year after year the Browns waste their first round pick and I have grown up, became a mother and now a GRANDMOTHERS without a Super Bowl appearance. Can you say; Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Barkevious Mingo, and Brandon Weeden!
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What makes me want to vomit is how we continually trade down and those trade downs are meaningless when you get nothing in return.
Atlanta absolutely HOSED us because all we got was FATASS Phil Taylor and a ginger hack QB and they have Julio Jones.
Now, Buffalo will reap the benefits of Sammy Watkins when him or Mack could have been ours.
Instead, we outsmart ourselves and trade down to get Justin GilBURNT and whatever bonafide bust we get next year.
2011 - Phil Taylor over JJ Watt and Julio Jones
2012 - Trent Richardson and Brandon fucking Weeden
2013 - Mingo
2014 - Gilburnt over Watkins, Mack, Mathews, etc. and Manziel who is unknown at this point.
That's 6 1st round picks in 4 years and not a single one of them are good. That's pitiful.
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If the GMs of their respective teams thought like some of you Browns "fans" did, the following players would've been considered busts in their first year and been cut/traded:
Robert Mathis: 3 sacks in his first year
Robert Quinn: 5 sacks in his first year
Greg Hardy: 3 sacks in his first year
Mario Williams: 4.5 sacks in his first year
Cameron Jordan: 1 sack in his first year
Brent Grimes: 1 int, 6 PD in first two years.
Tim Jennings: 0 int, 3 PD in first two years.
So let's check the OMG-the-sky-is-falling attitude for a bit.
But the difference is they don't do it again and again. It's the same crap for us every year.If the GMs of their respective teams thought like some of you Browns "fans" did, the following players would've been considered busts in their first year and been cut/traded:
Robert Mathis: 3 sacks in his first year
Robert Quinn: 5 sacks in his first year
Greg Hardy: 3 sacks in his first year
Mario Williams: 4.5 sacks in his first year
Cameron Jordan: 1 sack in his first year
Brent Grimes: 1 int, 6 PD in first two years.
Tim Jennings: 0 int, 3 PD in first two years.
So let's check the OMG-the-sky-is-falling attitude for a bit.
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A bust after 3 games. He's not even starting. The shit i read on this board is amazing.
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ve been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years I will now stop saying, "there's always next year".
Can anyone please explain why the Browns didn't draft Mike Evans at #4 and a Q.B. At #26?
They weren't planning on playing the rookie quarterback so why not draft Garapollo at 26 leaving plenty of time to get the worst cornerback in the draft.
Gilbert is a bust and we now have Andrew Hawkins as our first string wide receiver. Ray Farmer and Petine will be job hunting next year. Let me do the draft! At least I know how!
First... pay attention to your elders, kid.
Second, are you decrying the Hawkins that is 14th in the league in receiving yardage with 244 on 21 catches? The Hawkins who is our #2 WR behind Austin? (Who by the way has 14 catches for 115.)
And you're wanting Evans??? Mike Evans??? The TB rookie that has 13 catches for 148?
Not #4 overall Watkins (13 for 176 despite missing a game)? Or #20 Cooks (18 for 168)?
Watkins and Cooks too short.. OK...
How 'bout #28 overall Benjamin (16 for 263)?
Let you run our draft? Ummmm... no. Not if you'd have taken Evans at #4... or #8.
Welcome to the Browns Board...
First... pay attention to your elders, kid.Second, are you decrying the Hawkins that is 14th in the league in receiving yardage with 244 on 21 catches? The Hawkins who is our #2 WR behind Austin? (Who by the way has 14 catches for 115.)And you're wanting Evans??? Mike Evans??? The TB rookie that has 13 catches for 148?Not #4 overall Watkins (13 for 176 despite missing a game)? Or #20 Cooks (18 for 168)?Watkins and Cooks too short.. OK...How 'bout #28 overall Benjamin (16 for 263)?Let you run our draft? Ummmm... no. Not if you'd have taken Evans at #4... or #8.Welcome to the Browns Board...
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
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I've been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years I will now stop saying, "there's always next year".
Can anyone please explain why the Browns didn't draft Mike Evans at #4 and a Q.B. At #26?
They weren't planning on playing the rookie quarterback so why not draft Garapollo at 26 leaving plenty of time to get the worst cornerback in the draft.
Gilbert is a bust and we now have Andrew Hawkins as our first string wide receiver. Ray Farmer and Petine will be job hunting next year. Let me do the draft! At least I know how!
I've been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
for someone who is at least 60 you can't lie for shit.
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there were better cornerbacks in the 2014 draft than Justin Gilbert. Look what Kyle Fuller is doing in Chicago! I think the Browns rushed their decision when they should have been planning for the present as well as the future. A stud receiver for Brian Hoyer and a Quarterback at #26.
Year after year the Browns waste their first round pick and I have grown up, became a mother and now a GRANDMOTHERS without a Super Bowl appearance. Can you say; Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Barkevious Mingo, and Brandon Weeden!
there were better cornerbacks in the 2014 draft than Justin Gilbert. Look what Kyle Fuller is doing in Chicago! I think the Browns rushed their decision when they should have been planning for the present as well as the future. A stud receiver for Brian Hoyer and a Quarterback at #26.
Year after year the Browns waste their first round pick and I have grown up, became a mother and now a GRANDMOTHERS without a Super Bowl appearance. Can you say; Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Barkevious Mingo, and Brandon Weeden!
Unless you have some sort of psychic ability and can predict how draft picks will turn out STFU. It's the luck of the draw, and our luck is just turning. Support the Bucs since you live in Tampa now, and read some conspiracy theory bullshit on 9/11.
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First... pay attention to your elders, kid.Second, are you decrying the Hawkins that is 14th in the league in receiving yardage with 244 on 21 catches? The Hawkins who is our #2 WR behind Austin? (Who by the way has 14 catches for 115.)And you're wanting Evans??? Mike Evans??? The TB rookie that has 13 catches for 148?Not #4 overall Watkins (13 for 176 despite missing a game)? Or #20 Cooks (18 for 168)?Watkins and Cooks too short.. OK...How 'bout #28 overall Benjamin (16 for 263)?Let you run our draft? Ummmm... no. Not if you'd have taken Evans at #4... or #8.Welcome to the Browns Board...
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
Hahah. Grandmother and you still think like a teenager?
Just a small piece of information, even if we do "get it" we have zero impact on who the browns draft and play. So either be a fan or find a new team.
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First... pay attention to your elders, kid.Second, are you decrying the Hawkins that is 14th in the league in receiving yardage with 244 on 21 catches? The Hawkins who is our #2 WR behind Austin? (Who by the way has 14 catches for 115.)And you're wanting Evans??? Mike Evans??? The TB rookie that has 13 catches for 148?Not #4 overall Watkins (13 for 176 despite missing a game)? Or #20 Cooks (18 for 168)?Watkins and Cooks too short.. OK...How 'bout #28 overall Benjamin (16 for 263)?Let you run our draft? Ummmm... no. Not if you'd have taken Evans at #4... or #8.Welcome to the Browns Board...
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
Before the draft a lot of people thought we were a bad team with no QB. Now they just think we are a bad team.
"Homies"... word choice of men pushing 60 throughout the U.S. of A...
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Yea well Mike Evans is stuck on a bad team with no quarterback. We could have had him or Watkins and a quarterback at #26 then later a corner. You homies don't get it. That's why the Browns will never win anything. Keep buying tickets and maybe your great great great grandkids will have better luck
Before the draft a lot of people thought we were a bad team with no QB. Now they just think we are a bad team.
"Homies"... word choice of men pushing 60 throughout the U.S. of A...
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I've been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years I will now stop saying, "there's always next year".
Can anyone please explain why the Browns didn't draft Mike Evans at #4 and a Q.B. At #26?
They weren't planning on playing the rookie quarterback so why not draft Garapollo at 26 leaving plenty of time to get the worst cornerback in the draft.
Gilbert is a bust and we now have Andrew Hawkins as our first string wide receiver. Ray Farmer and Petine will be job hunting next year. Let me do the draft! At least I know how!
the new 3 post genius.
or how about gilbert at 8 and a WR at 22 you dolt?
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A bust after 3 games. He's not even starting. The shit i read on this board is amazing.
Gilbert has been on the field more than the other rookie cbs also. Experience is all a CB in the NFL needs.
Dre Kirkpatrick for Cincy sucked BIG TIME his first year, hes actually been getting better with reps and time with the speed of the game.
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A bust after 3 games. He's not even starting. The shit i read on this board is amazing.
Gilbert has been on the field more than the other rookie cbs also. Experience is all a CB in the NFL needs.
Dre Kirkpatrick for Cincy sucked BIG TIME his first year, hes actually been getting better with reps and time with the speed of the game.
Gilbert has been on the field more than the other rookie cbs also. Experience is all a CB in the NFL needs.
Dre Kirkpatrick for Cincy sucked BIG TIME his first year, hes actually been getting better with reps and time with the speed of the game.
This is actually a good point I'd like to highlight. Kirkpatrick was a dumpster fire early on. His second year was so- so at best and now he's a solid nickel presence approaching a fringe #2 CB status. I'd expect something similar with Gilbert.
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I've been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years I will now stop saying, "there's always next year".
Can anyone please explain why the Browns didn't draft Mike Evans at #4 and a Q.B. At #26?
They weren't planning on playing the rookie quarterback so why not draft Garapollo at 26 leaving plenty of time to get the worst cornerback in the draft.
Gilbert is a bust and we now have Andrew Hawkins as our first string wide receiver. Ray Farmer and Petine will be job hunting next year. Let me do the draft! At least I know how!
I've been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years I will now stop saying, "there's always next year".
Can anyone please explain why the Browns didn't draft Mike Evans at #4 and a Q.B. At #26?
They weren't planning on playing the rookie quarterback so why not draft Garapollo at 26 leaving plenty of time to get the worst cornerback in the draft.
Gilbert is a bust and we now have Andrew Hawkins as our first string wide receiver. Ray Farmer and Petine will be job hunting next year. Let me do the draft! At least I know how!
Please stop calling guys busts after three damn games. Evans over Watkins? Really?
to call him a bust after 3 games is ...ummm...not smart...I bet the Patriots are still really pissed off that they didnt trade or cut Tom Brady after his 8th week 3-4. or how about Troy Aikman 1-15 his first year. I bet Dallas still f'n heated they didn't cut him straight out...so yea lets judge our guys after a game or two or maybe three
Oh Walter's all mad you compared Gilbert to HOF qbs. But it is a fact- too early to call anyone a bust at this point.
I agree, it is pretty sorry that after 3 games some are calling players busts....it's crazy.
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i agree with the OP.. Justin Gilbert is 6th round material, maybe 7th.
Know of any other 6th round CBs that run a sub 4.4 Soju? Didn't think so. You can coach technique- you can't coach up athletic ability- and Gilbert has that in spades.
there were better cornerbacks in the 2014 draft than Justin Gilbert. Look what Kyle Fuller is doing in Chicago! I think the Browns rushed their decision when they should have been planning for the present as well as the future. A stud receiver for Brian Hoyer and a Quarterback at #26.
Year after year the Browns waste their first round pick and I have grown up, became a mother and now a GRANDMOTHERS without a Super Bowl appearance. Can you say; Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Barkevious Mingo, and Brandon Weeden!
Boo-hoo. I'm old enough to remember 1964. Even should Gilbert bust- you want to tell me how Bitonio and West suck too? This may well turn out to be one of the best Browns drafts in like forever- especially if Manziel turns into a franchise qb- after sitting a year or two behind Hoyer. Talk about unrealistic expectations that every first round pick should walk right into the starting lineup and tear the league apart from the get-go.
BTW, the Browns happen to get one of the top 5 wrs in the game back for week 11. And we WILL draft an insurance policy come 2015.
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