The Division Race
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Browns schedule... currently 3-2
@ Jax W
Oak W
TB W
@ Cincy L (but winnable)
Hou W (but losable)
@ Atl W
@ Buf W (but losable)
Indy L (but winnable)
Cincy W
@ Car L (but winnable)
@ Bal W (but losable)
optimistic prediction: 11-5, and 1st in the division
confident prediction (+/- 3) somewhere between 8-8 and 14-2
Our games have been so tight, it's hard to predict that we would lose or win against anybody at this point, plus...
It's the Browns, and we have a LOOOONNNNNGGGGGG way to go...
Browns schedule... currently 3-2
@ Jax W
Oak W
TB W
@ Cincy L (but winnable)
Hou W (but losable)
@ Atl W
@ Buf W (but losable)
Indy L (but winnable)
Cincy W
@ Car L (but winnable)
@ Bal W (but losable)
optimistic prediction: 11-5, and 1st in the division
confident prediction (+/- 3) somewhere between 8-8 and 14-2
Our games have been so tight, it's hard to predict that we would lose or win against anybody at this point, plus...
It's the Browns, and we have a LOOOONNNNNGGGGGG way to go...
Seems realistic, at least your expectations and admissions of which games can go either way. I would argue that the game at Atlanta is loseable, as even when struggling they are a threat to go vertical and put up tons of points at any given point, and playing at Atlanta makes a difference.
Final 6 games are brutal, 4 out of 6 on the road, Gotta aim for 3-3 here, which means you can't afford to lose more than 2 games in the next 5 weeks.
I would have put the Baltimore game as a loss, but winnable. We're pretty good at home and it'll be our finale at home, with almost assuredly big playoff implications. Should be exciting to watch, lots of fireworks.
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I definitely don't mean to discount either of those teams. We could lose to either of those teams. The Texans are kind of a must win, given the schedule, so I expect the Bengals to treat it as such. And division games are so important. Obviously my prediction is going to be a little slanted. I like us at home against any team, but only if our defense gets back on track. If it doesn't, we are dead in the water anyway. It's Looking like we miss Zimmer after all..Still won't pretend to know the Bengals... just don't have a handle on you yet. But I will agree that BLT can't be chalked up just because it's a home game and beware of Houston.
The Texans don't just have a defense, they have a great defense that may even include Clowney by the time you see them. Plus as long as Foster is healthy they have a sound run game... very potent combo... especially in their house.
This weeks opponent, The Colts, don't have much of a defense, but their offense is pretty darn good. If our defense shows up I'd say bengals have a shot. Losing this game would kinda hurt. Because If they do, they lose ground to the Browns who should win at Jacksonville, and to the Ravens who should win vs the Falcons.
I definitely don't mean to discount either of those teams. We could lose to either of those teams. The Texans are kind of a must win, given the schedule, so I expect the Bengals to treat it as such. And division games are so important. Obviously my prediction is going to be a little slanted. I like us at home against any team, but only if our defense gets back on track. If it doesn't, we are dead in the water anyway. It's Looking like we miss Zimmer after all..
These "must win" games are the ones where the bengals have failed time and time again. I'm counting on them to keep with the trend this year
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if we remain healthy on the o-line the remainder of the year, and gordan comes back for the final 6 games. he's gonna open the run game up even more, and just in time for the bad weather. im not predicting records but i think we win the division.
Got a tough schedule, don't get ahead of yourself. Final 4 of 6 on the road, Browns still gotta prove they can beat good teams on the road.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Got a tough schedule, don't get ahead of yourself. Final 4 of 6 on the road, Browns still gotta prove they can beat good teams on the road.
Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Got a tough schedule, don't get ahead of yourself. Final 4 of 6 on the road, Browns still gotta prove they can beat good teams on the road.
Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
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Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
Zombo said:
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
Never said he won't, keywords are "no guarantee."
Also, being in shape doesn't mean he won't have rust to kick off and that he'll instantly adjust to in game speed and reaction time. Again, he might, it's certainly happened before with different players in similar situations but more oft than not there's usually an adjustment period.
Example - 2010, Vincent Jackson only played the last 5 games, had 1 good game against the Packers but other than that, in all 5 games total he only averaged 2.5 catches and 48 yards a game, only 3 total touchdowns all coming in the 1 blowout win against the Packers.
No other noteworthy examples at the receiver position.
On the flip side, on 2010 Ed Reed missed the first 6 games, came back to lead the league in interceptions that year. But, at the same time, that's Ed Reed and it wasn't suspension, was an injury.
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Zombo said:
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
Never said he won't, keywords are "no guarantee."
Also, being in shape doesn't mean he won't have rust to kick off and that he'll instantly adjust to in game speed and reaction time. Again, he might, it's certainly happened before with different players in similar situations but more oft than not there's usually an adjustment period.
Example - 2010, Vincent Jackson only played the last 5 games, had 1 good game against the Packers but other than that, in all 5 games total he only averaged 2.5 catches and 48 yards a game, only 3 total touchdowns all coming in the 1 blowout win against the Packers.
No other noteworthy examples at the receiver position.
On the flip side, on 2010 Ed Reed missed the first 6 games, came back to lead the league in interceptions that year. But, at the same time, that's Ed Reed and it wasn't suspension, was an injury.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Never said we won't, keywords are "no guarantee."
Also, being in shape doesn't mean he won't have rust to kick off and that he'll instantly adjust to in game speed and reaction time. Again, he might, it's certainly happened before with different players in similar situations but more oft than not there's usually an adjustment period.
Example - 2010, Vincent Jackson only played the last 5 games, had 1 good game against the Packers but other than that, in all 5 games total he only averaged 2.5 catches and 48 yards a game, only 3 total touchdowns all coming in the 1 blowout win against the Packers.
No other noteworthy examples at the receiver position.
On the flip side, on 2010 Ed Reed missed the first 6 games, came back to lead the league in interceptions that year. But, at the same time, that's Ed Reed and it wasn't suspension, was an injury.
Vincent Jackson is a pussy. Gordon is the best receiver in the NFL.
Zombo
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Never said we won't, keywords are "no guarantee."
Also, being in shape doesn't mean he won't have rust to kick off and that he'll instantly adjust to in game speed and reaction time. Again, he might, it's certainly happened before with different players in similar situations but more oft than not there's usually an adjustment period.
Example - 2010, Vincent Jackson only played the last 5 games, had 1 good game against the Packers but other than that, in all 5 games total he only averaged 2.5 catches and 48 yards a game, only 3 total touchdowns all coming in the 1 blowout win against the Packers.
No other noteworthy examples at the receiver position.
On the flip side, on 2010 Ed Reed missed the first 6 games, came back to lead the league in interceptions that year. But, at the same time, that's Ed Reed and it wasn't suspension, was an injury.
Vincent Jackson is a pussy. Gordon is the best receiver in the NFL.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Vincent Jackson is a pussy. Gordon is the best receiver in the NFL.
Zombo
He's the best young receiver in the league, I'll give you that much. Two years isn't enough data, even after 1 incredible season, to say he's going to continue in the same fashion for the next 5+ years.
Vincent Jackson has never skipped a beat since he broke out in 2008 (minus 2010 when he was suspended for 6 games and held out for 5 more for contract dispute).
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Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
Well then by that train of thought there is no guarantee that the end of the schedule will be tougher than it is first 10 weeks what with the potential for injuries and suspensions and all.afcnorthravensfan509 said:
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
Come on, man. I'm not going to ride you too much but to think that Josh Gordon isn't going to help, even at absolutely worst as a decoy, is ridiculous.
He's going to stretch the field against the defenses best CB and with S help and allow Cameron, Austin, Hawkins and Gabriel to roam the field around 5-15 yards downfield. No way he doesn't help the offense.
You can bet against it all you want but you'd lose that bet.
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Agree...
Gordon on fresh legs injected into the Offense 2/3rd's of the way into the season?
Sounds killer...
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Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
Even if he's not- he's a damn effective decoy. You hear Stafford's comments on Megatron? Same deal. Those sort of guys demand attention- because if you ignore them it's six.
Zombo said:
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
4.3 speed is a wonderful thing.
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it happened just last year. josh gordan missed the first 4 games and led the nfl in receiving yards
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
it happened just last year. josh gordan missed the first 4 games and led the nfl in receiving yards
it happened just last year. josh gordan missed the first 4 games and led the nfl in receiving yards
^ This. Agree with Slow. It will be fun to watch as long as Josh keeps his face away from the bong.
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It's too early.....so G-O A-W-A-Y for a while......thanks
Close to halfway through the season is too soon?
In a month it'll be a lot less fun to make predictions as there will only be a month left and it'll just come down to a handful of games and who wins those.
Or do you not like talking about this because the big bad Ravens fan posted it?
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Close to halfway through the season is too soon?
In a month it'll be a lot less fun to make predictions as there will only be a month left and it'll just come down to a handful of games and who wins those.
Or do you not like talking about this because the big bad Ravens fan posted it?
Ah, look again. We are close to 1/3 of the way into the season, but not there yet since we had the bye week early.
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Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Close to halfway through the season is too soon?
In a month it'll be a lot less fun to make predictions as there will only be a month left and it'll just come down to a handful of games and who wins those.
Or do you not like talking about this because the big bad Ravens fan posted it?
Ah, look again. We are close to 1/3 of the way into the season, but not there yet since we had the bye week early.
Ah, look again. We are close to 1/3 of the way into the season, but not there yet since we had the bye week early.
Already been over this.
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Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
This is a different offensive system, and a new one for us, so if we can stay healthy it is only going to get better. When we get Gordon back, nothing will change other than the opposing D's needing to focus on him. This puts less focus on our AFC-leading rushing attack, which will lead to a more effective PA, which will open up more space for Cameron and our smaller group of shifty WRs, and eventually lead to opposing Ds to take the focus off of Gordon --- uh oh --- that means TDs for us...
Can you follow? Sure it may take a game or two for the whole thing to click, but Gordon is such a natural talent he'll immediately begin effecting games. He is at our facility every day working out with the coaches, and he continues to study and learn the playbook. Plus, Gordon has never put 100% effort into his practice and preparation, so even if there is some "rust" to knock off, it's no different from what we are used to getting from him. He'll finish with 40 catches, 600 yds, and 4 TDs in 6 games... book it
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Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
Ding Ding Ding... Keyword talent... talent doesn't forget... just as size, speed and hands are not things that forget.
Timing? Sure, but how many times thru his 14 games last year did 5(?) QB changes disrupt timing?
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
He very well could impact the games.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
So defenses will have to account for our most talented WR, but he merely could impact the game?
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Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much. Who was throwing to him last year. If you think those numbers were good, wait until Josh hooks up with BH. Huge difference.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
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