The Division Race
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Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
Zombo said:
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
Never said he won't, keywords are "no guarantee."
Also, being in shape doesn't mean he won't have rust to kick off and that he'll instantly adjust to in game speed and reaction time. Again, he might, it's certainly happened before with different players in similar situations but more oft than not there's usually an adjustment period.
Example - 2010, Vincent Jackson only played the last 5 games, had 1 good game against the Packers but other than that, in all 5 games total he only averaged 2.5 catches and 48 yards a game, only 3 total touchdowns all coming in the 1 blowout win against the Packers.
No other noteworthy examples at the receiver position.
On the flip side, on 2010 Ed Reed missed the first 6 games, came back to lead the league in interceptions that year. But, at the same time, that's Ed Reed and it wasn't suspension, was an injury.
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Zombo said:
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
Never said he won't, keywords are "no guarantee."
Also, being in shape doesn't mean he won't have rust to kick off and that he'll instantly adjust to in game speed and reaction time. Again, he might, it's certainly happened before with different players in similar situations but more oft than not there's usually an adjustment period.
Example - 2010, Vincent Jackson only played the last 5 games, had 1 good game against the Packers but other than that, in all 5 games total he only averaged 2.5 catches and 48 yards a game, only 3 total touchdowns all coming in the 1 blowout win against the Packers.
No other noteworthy examples at the receiver position.
On the flip side, on 2010 Ed Reed missed the first 6 games, came back to lead the league in interceptions that year. But, at the same time, that's Ed Reed and it wasn't suspension, was an injury.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Never said we won't, keywords are "no guarantee."
Also, being in shape doesn't mean he won't have rust to kick off and that he'll instantly adjust to in game speed and reaction time. Again, he might, it's certainly happened before with different players in similar situations but more oft than not there's usually an adjustment period.
Example - 2010, Vincent Jackson only played the last 5 games, had 1 good game against the Packers but other than that, in all 5 games total he only averaged 2.5 catches and 48 yards a game, only 3 total touchdowns all coming in the 1 blowout win against the Packers.
No other noteworthy examples at the receiver position.
On the flip side, on 2010 Ed Reed missed the first 6 games, came back to lead the league in interceptions that year. But, at the same time, that's Ed Reed and it wasn't suspension, was an injury.
Vincent Jackson is a pussy. Gordon is the best receiver in the NFL.
Zombo
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Never said we won't, keywords are "no guarantee."
Also, being in shape doesn't mean he won't have rust to kick off and that he'll instantly adjust to in game speed and reaction time. Again, he might, it's certainly happened before with different players in similar situations but more oft than not there's usually an adjustment period.
Example - 2010, Vincent Jackson only played the last 5 games, had 1 good game against the Packers but other than that, in all 5 games total he only averaged 2.5 catches and 48 yards a game, only 3 total touchdowns all coming in the 1 blowout win against the Packers.
No other noteworthy examples at the receiver position.
On the flip side, on 2010 Ed Reed missed the first 6 games, came back to lead the league in interceptions that year. But, at the same time, that's Ed Reed and it wasn't suspension, was an injury.
Vincent Jackson is a pussy. Gordon is the best receiver in the NFL.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Vincent Jackson is a pussy. Gordon is the best receiver in the NFL.
Zombo
He's the best young receiver in the league, I'll give you that much. Two years isn't enough data, even after 1 incredible season, to say he's going to continue in the same fashion for the next 5+ years.
Vincent Jackson has never skipped a beat since he broke out in 2008 (minus 2010 when he was suspended for 6 games and held out for 5 more for contract dispute).
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Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
Well then by that train of thought there is no guarantee that the end of the schedule will be tougher than it is first 10 weeks what with the potential for injuries and suspensions and all.afcnorthravensfan509 said:
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
Come on, man. I'm not going to ride you too much but to think that Josh Gordon isn't going to help, even at absolutely worst as a decoy, is ridiculous.
He's going to stretch the field against the defenses best CB and with S help and allow Cameron, Austin, Hawkins and Gabriel to roam the field around 5-15 yards downfield. No way he doesn't help the offense.
You can bet against it all you want but you'd lose that bet.
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Agree...
Gordon on fresh legs injected into the Offense 2/3rd's of the way into the season?
Sounds killer...
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Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
Even if he's not- he's a damn effective decoy. You hear Stafford's comments on Megatron? Same deal. Those sort of guys demand attention- because if you ignore them it's six.
Zombo said:
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
4.3 speed is a wonderful thing.
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it happened just last year. josh gordan missed the first 4 games and led the nfl in receiving yards
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
it happened just last year. josh gordan missed the first 4 games and led the nfl in receiving yards
it happened just last year. josh gordan missed the first 4 games and led the nfl in receiving yards
^ This. Agree with Slow. It will be fun to watch as long as Josh keeps his face away from the bong.
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It's too early.....so G-O A-W-A-Y for a while......thanks
Close to halfway through the season is too soon?
In a month it'll be a lot less fun to make predictions as there will only be a month left and it'll just come down to a handful of games and who wins those.
Or do you not like talking about this because the big bad Ravens fan posted it?
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Close to halfway through the season is too soon?
In a month it'll be a lot less fun to make predictions as there will only be a month left and it'll just come down to a handful of games and who wins those.
Or do you not like talking about this because the big bad Ravens fan posted it?
Ah, look again. We are close to 1/3 of the way into the season, but not there yet since we had the bye week early.
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Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Close to halfway through the season is too soon?
In a month it'll be a lot less fun to make predictions as there will only be a month left and it'll just come down to a handful of games and who wins those.
Or do you not like talking about this because the big bad Ravens fan posted it?
Ah, look again. We are close to 1/3 of the way into the season, but not there yet since we had the bye week early.
Ah, look again. We are close to 1/3 of the way into the season, but not there yet since we had the bye week early.
Already been over this.
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Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
This is a different offensive system, and a new one for us, so if we can stay healthy it is only going to get better. When we get Gordon back, nothing will change other than the opposing D's needing to focus on him. This puts less focus on our AFC-leading rushing attack, which will lead to a more effective PA, which will open up more space for Cameron and our smaller group of shifty WRs, and eventually lead to opposing Ds to take the focus off of Gordon --- uh oh --- that means TDs for us...
Can you follow? Sure it may take a game or two for the whole thing to click, but Gordon is such a natural talent he'll immediately begin effecting games. He is at our facility every day working out with the coaches, and he continues to study and learn the playbook. Plus, Gordon has never put 100% effort into his practice and preparation, so even if there is some "rust" to knock off, it's no different from what we are used to getting from him. He'll finish with 40 catches, 600 yds, and 4 TDs in 6 games... book it
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Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
Ding Ding Ding... Keyword talent... talent doesn't forget... just as size, speed and hands are not things that forget.
Timing? Sure, but how many times thru his 14 games last year did 5(?) QB changes disrupt timing?
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
He very well could impact the games.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
So defenses will have to account for our most talented WR, but he merely could impact the game?
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Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much. Who was throwing to him last year. If you think those numbers were good, wait until Josh hooks up with BH. Huge difference.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
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Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much....has anyone said that's whats gonna happen or are you sipping your own koolade?
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. ...he's a huge talent and WR is one of the few positions where you rely more on your physical skill. He may not be in peak form, but his 80% is better than most players 100%. No matter what, he will be a major threat to go all the way the SECOND he steps on the field.
He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then....Fortunately for us, a down game for him is about 80-100 yards. He'll be more than good enough even if he doesn't perform at last years level
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.....so, if he does well it will be due to the other team being dumb and sleeping? But, if he doesn't do well, it will be due to him sitting out? Correct? And, if he's NOT gonna be good when he comes back, then why would the other team be dumb for not game planning him? And if they game plan him, then isn't he already effecting the other team? Can't have it both ways man.....
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
This is a different offensive system, and a new one for us, so if we can stay healthy it is only going to get better. When we get Gordon back, nothing will change other than the opposing D's needing to focus on him. This puts less focus on our AFC-leading rushing attack, which will lead to a more effective PA, which will open up more space for Cameron and our smaller group of shifty WRs, and eventually lead to opposing Ds to take the focus off of Gordon --- uh oh --- that means TDs for us...
Can you follow? Sure it may take a game or two for the whole thing to click, but Gordon is such a natural talent he'll immediately begin effecting games. He is at our facility every day working out with the coaches, and he continues to study and learn the playbook. Plus, Gordon has never put 100% effort into his practice and preparation, so even if there is some "rust" to knock off, it's no different from what we are used to getting from him. He'll finish with 40 catches, 600 yds, and 4 TDs in 6 games... book it
This is a different offensive system, and a new one for us, so if we can stay healthy it is only going to get better. When we get Gordon back, nothing will change other than the opposing D's needing to focus on him. This puts less focus on our AFC-leading rushing attack, which will lead to a more effective PA, which will open up more space for Cameron and our smaller group of shifty WRs, and eventually lead to opposing Ds to take the focus off of Gordon --- uh oh --- that means TDs for us...
Can you follow? Sure it may take a game or two for the whole thing to click, but Gordon is such a natural talent he'll immediately begin effecting games. He is at our facility every day working out with the coaches, and he continues to study and learn the playbook. Plus, Gordon has never put 100% effort into his practice and preparation, so even if there is some "rust" to knock off, it's no different from what we are used to getting from him. He'll finish with 40 catches, 600 yds, and 4 TDs in 6 games... book it
Affecting, not effecting.
Again, I'm not prideful, I could be wrong. But until I see it, I'll stand by my viewpoint. 600 yards would be a lot in six games, though I could see 4 touchdowns being feasible. I would guess somewhere more around 400 yards, maybe 30 catches.
I'm not saying he's gonna play bad, just that he's not gonna come out and torch everyone.
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much....has anyone said that's whats gonna happen or are you sipping your own koolade?
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. ...he's a huge talent and WR is one of the few positions where you rely more on your physical skill. He may not be in peak form, but his 80% is better than most players 100%. No matter what, he will be a major threat to go all the way the SECOND he steps on the field.
He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then....Fortunately for us, a down game for him is about 80-100 yards. He'll be more than good enough even if he doesn't perform at last years level
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.....so, if he does well it will be due to the other team being dumb and sleeping? But, if he doesn't do well, it will be due to him sitting out? Correct? And, if he's NOT gonna be good when he comes back, then why would the other team be dumb for not game planning him? And if they game plan him, then isn't he already effecting the other team? Can't have it both ways man.....
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much....has anyone said that's whats gonna happen or are you sipping your own koolade?
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. ...he's a huge talent and WR is one of the few positions where you rely more on your physical skill. He may not be in peak form, but his 80% is better than most players 100%. No matter what, he will be a major threat to go all the way the SECOND he steps on the field.
He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then....Fortunately for us, a down game for him is about 80-100 yards. He'll be more than good enough even if he doesn't perform at last years level
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.....so, if he does well it will be due to the other team being dumb and sleeping? But, if he doesn't do well, it will be due to him sitting out? Correct? And, if he's NOT gonna be good when he comes back, then why would the other team be dumb for not game planning him? And if they game plan him, then isn't he already effecting the other team? Can't have it both ways man.....
Does anyone here know the difference between Effecting and Affecting?
You're implying that I said he's gonna either play bad or well...there is middle ground you know. He'll play good or average. 65-80 yards a game compared to his average 120-130 yards a game, and he'll probably score somewhere around 4-5 times at most. That's not bad, but that's not his typical ridiculous production. Now if some team's defense is dumb enough to think he doesn't need a lot of attention because they think he's going to be ineffective, he could break out with a huge game, but I don't think anyone is gonna underestimate 4.3 40 speed.
And yes, people here are basically telling me this "You're stupid, Gordon's a beast, he put up crazy numbers with bad qbs and in a bad system, he's gonna come out and light it up. Someone told me to book it...so yeah, that's what people are telling me is gonna happen.
Timing with your qb, reading defenses and real game speed are things that are hard to simulate in practice. He's a huge talent, which is why I'm not counting him out as if he's gonna be a bum when he gets back, but aside from the defense being dumb and not giving him the attention he deserves, or Gordon being a supernatural freak of nature, for him to come back and put up his normal production would result in about 750 to 800 yards in 6 games, so I'm a little skeptical of that happening. But 400, maybe 500 yards is realistic, I certainly could see him getting 4 scores.
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Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much.
I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.
Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?
His first game back last year, after not playing the whole off season or first 2 games, was 10 catches for 150 yards.....shook that rust right off, I'd say....
I will admit he didn't blow up till later in the season(wk 8)....so, if he follows suit and plays a little below average to start, then we should be comparing him to his first 6 games last year(note, this was on a much worse offense, with a revolving door at QB)......and his first 6 games last year, with 3 QB's throwing to him, was 32 catches for 582 yards......not too shabby...
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