DA to Lions Gaining Speed as well
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This actually makes tons of sense for the Lions. But, are they that smart? There are no home-run QBs in this year's draft and with the chance that a 1st round turns bust...wasting a 5 year jumbo contract would screw them for many many years.
Take DA grab two core guy at #1 and #20 (LT & LB?DL or something)...spend way less and make some progress in the first year of rebuilding. This is a very smart way to rebuild a team and progress. Teams that want to turn it around in one year...fail. Ala Detriot haha.
I'd LOVE to have #33.
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just because they have the extra picks doesn't mean they think DA is worth what's essentially a first-round pick. that's a guy who should step in and start immediately, not just someone to keep the seat warm for the next guy.
if they were to send us that pick, i think it'd be because they viewed DA as a long-term solution and would be a signal that they don't want to take the huge risk that drafting stafford would be.
would you guys rather have a single higher pick or two lower ones?
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Let's put it this way...
If you think Stafford and DA are close to interchangeable...but DA is cheaper...then you have to look at the value of what you can get with the #1 pick vs what you could get with the #33 pick.
At #1 you can get the TOP LT. At #20 you get the 4th, and #33 gets you the 5th best OT.
At #20 you can get one of the top OLB/DE/WR/ILB or the top TE.
So, if you really believe that DA=Stafford (on the cheap), you would be losing massive amounts of talent at the other positions if you did draft Stafford.
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Pick #65 would be a steal!
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Let's put it this way...
If you think Stafford and DA are close to interchangeable...but DA is cheaper...then you have to look at the value of what you can get with the #1 pick vs what you could get with the #33 pick.
At #1 you can get the TOP LT. At #20 you get the 4th, and #33 gets you the 5th best OT.
At #20 you can get one of the top OLB/DE/WR/ILB or the top TE.
So, if you really believe that DA=Stafford (on the cheap), you would be losing massive amounts of talent at the other positions if you did draft Stafford.
Let's put it this way...
If you think Stafford and DA are close to interchangeable...but DA is cheaper...then you have to look at the value of what you can get with the #1 pick vs what you could get with the #33 pick.
At #1 you can get the TOP LT. At #20 you get the 4th, and #33 gets you the 5th best OT.
At #20 you can get one of the top OLB/DE/WR/ILB or the top TE.
So, if you really believe that DA=Stafford (on the cheap), you would be losing massive amounts of talent at the other positions if you did draft Stafford.
You can throw in the financials of what DET will have to pay out in signing bonus money to 2 1st rounders and a high 2nd rounder.
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I'll take #65 if they pay the $5 mil bonus. I'd take #33 if we pay the bonus.
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Let's put it this way...
If you think Stafford and DA are close to interchangeable...but DA is cheaper...then you have to look at the value of what you can get with the #1 pick vs what you could get with the #33 pick.
At #1 you can get the TOP LT. At #20 you get the 4th, and #33 gets you the 5th best OT.
At #20 you can get one of the top OLB/DE/WR/ILB or the top TE.
So, if you really believe that DA=Stafford (on the cheap), you would be losing massive amounts of talent at the other positions if you did draft Stafford.
Let's put it this way...
If you think Stafford and DA are close to interchangeable...but DA is cheaper...then you have to look at the value of what you can get with the #1 pick vs what you could get with the #33 pick.
At #1 you can get the TOP LT. At #20 you get the 4th, and #33 gets you the 5th best OT.
At #20 you can get one of the top OLB/DE/WR/ILB or the top TE.
So, if you really believe that DA=Stafford (on the cheap), you would be losing massive amounts of talent at the other positions if you did draft Stafford.
it's a great argument. let's hope they see it that way, too, and think that stafford and DA are the same guy.
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I'll take #65 if they pay the $5 mil bonus. I'd take #33 if we pay the bonus.
I'll take #65 if they pay the $5 mil bonus. I'd take #33 if we pay the bonus.
I seriously don't see any team paying the 5 mil. We're backed up against a wall and other teams have the leverage in terms of this bonus. They will just wait until we are forced to pay it since cutting him would do us no good.
#33 is a bit high for DA in my mind but #65 is far too low. You can;t afford to pay what is essentially 3 1st round picks if you're DET. QB is a risky position even with the #1 pick. The draft is NOT stacked and FAs are few. DET could make major steps and solve some financial issues by going a route like this...
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The last things the lions need is another awful QB. -- But we'll take the draft picks!
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At #65 you could pick up a center like Jonathan Luigs or Antoine Caldwell. That would be a steal for DA.
Man, this seems to be a deep draft.
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At #65 you could pick up a center like Jonathan Luigs or Antoine Caldwell. That would be a steal for DA.
Man, this seems to be a deep draft.
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Well there is no more Matt Millen, so they might 1) do something smart 2) not draft another WR. I could swear Matt Millen has down syndrome.
I could see their second rounder coming to us and we give them DA and a 5th or something like that. Or our 2nd round and DA for the #20th. Not to sure on the lower part of the draft.
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Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
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Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
Ummm, in case you haven't noticed...we are quoting RELIABLE SOURCES that these discussions are going on.
We are no longer just speculating.
So, despite your decree that it makes no sense....if there is smoke...
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Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
There are plenty of FA QBs on the market that can give CLE what they got from DA over his last 16 starts. Shit, they can go sign Frye and get a QB with a 72 QBR over his last 16 starts. I just hope some GM around the league thinks 29 TDs in a season while ignoring the majorty came in his 1st 8 starts that year.
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Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
There are plenty of FA QBs on the market that can give CLE what they got from DA over his last 16 starts. Shit, they can go sign Frye and get a QB with a 72 QBR over his last 16 starts. I just hope some GM around the league thinks 29 TDs in a season while ignoring the majorty came in his 1st 8 starts that year.
Masters said:
There are plenty of FA QBs on the market that can give CLE what they got from DA over his last 16 starts. Shit, they can go sign Frye and get a QB with a 72 QBR over his last 16 starts. I just hope some GM around the league thinks 29 TDs in a season while ignoring the majorty came in his 1st 8 starts that year.Are you saying DA gave us "shit"? Or are you saying.... Shit! they can resign Frye and get the same thing!
Because you're right on both accounts, still curious.
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Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
So, having a rating over 100, on 1 or 2 days of practice, is mediocre? If you want mediocre performances, just look at MOST of DA's games. You spout off about his 29 TDs, but go look at the defensive ratings of the teams he got most of those TDs against. That's assuming you can take yourself off DA's knob long enough to research that.
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Masters said:
There are plenty of FA QBs on the market that can give CLE what they got from DA over his last 16 starts. Shit, they can go sign Frye and get a QB with a 72 QBR over his last 16 starts. I just hope some GM around the league thinks 29 TDs in a season while ignoring the majorty came in his 1st 8 starts that year.Are you saying DA gave us "shit"? Or are you saying.... Shit! they can resign Frye and get the same thing!
Because you're right on both accounts, still curious.
AdaM said:
Are you saying DA gave us "shit"? Or are you saying.... Shit! they can resign Frye and get the same thing!Because you're right on both accounts, still curious.
I was saying they can resign Frye and get the same thing, at least over the last 16 starts.
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I'd give up the 33rd pick in the Draft for a starting QB in a heartbeat...and so would you.
The question is whether or not DET thinks of DA as a starter or just someone who will come in and compete for the job. If I thought of DA as a starter, which I don't, it would make much more sense for me to give up the 33rd pick and not have to deal with $30+ million guaranteed on some rookie in this year's Draft.
Plus, as others have already stated, I could get a bookend OT at #1 and a solid starter at another position with the #20 pick.
-Al
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@inspecta said:
Yeah that 33 pick would be a homerun slam dunk hail mary TD extravaganza for the Browns FO.We could make some serious headway in making our team contenders for next year.
Seems high to me.....switching 2nd rounders and us gaining the 3rd rounder would be more like it.
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