DA to Lions Gaining Speed as well
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Pick #65 would be a steal!
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Let's put it this way...
If you think Stafford and DA are close to interchangeable...but DA is cheaper...then you have to look at the value of what you can get with the #1 pick vs what you could get with the #33 pick.
At #1 you can get the TOP LT. At #20 you get the 4th, and #33 gets you the 5th best OT.
At #20 you can get one of the top OLB/DE/WR/ILB or the top TE.
So, if you really believe that DA=Stafford (on the cheap), you would be losing massive amounts of talent at the other positions if you did draft Stafford.
Let's put it this way...
If you think Stafford and DA are close to interchangeable...but DA is cheaper...then you have to look at the value of what you can get with the #1 pick vs what you could get with the #33 pick.
At #1 you can get the TOP LT. At #20 you get the 4th, and #33 gets you the 5th best OT.
At #20 you can get one of the top OLB/DE/WR/ILB or the top TE.
So, if you really believe that DA=Stafford (on the cheap), you would be losing massive amounts of talent at the other positions if you did draft Stafford.
You can throw in the financials of what DET will have to pay out in signing bonus money to 2 1st rounders and a high 2nd rounder.
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I'll take #65 if they pay the $5 mil bonus. I'd take #33 if we pay the bonus.
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Let's put it this way...
If you think Stafford and DA are close to interchangeable...but DA is cheaper...then you have to look at the value of what you can get with the #1 pick vs what you could get with the #33 pick.
At #1 you can get the TOP LT. At #20 you get the 4th, and #33 gets you the 5th best OT.
At #20 you can get one of the top OLB/DE/WR/ILB or the top TE.
So, if you really believe that DA=Stafford (on the cheap), you would be losing massive amounts of talent at the other positions if you did draft Stafford.
Let's put it this way...
If you think Stafford and DA are close to interchangeable...but DA is cheaper...then you have to look at the value of what you can get with the #1 pick vs what you could get with the #33 pick.
At #1 you can get the TOP LT. At #20 you get the 4th, and #33 gets you the 5th best OT.
At #20 you can get one of the top OLB/DE/WR/ILB or the top TE.
So, if you really believe that DA=Stafford (on the cheap), you would be losing massive amounts of talent at the other positions if you did draft Stafford.
it's a great argument. let's hope they see it that way, too, and think that stafford and DA are the same guy.
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I'll take #65 if they pay the $5 mil bonus. I'd take #33 if we pay the bonus.
I'll take #65 if they pay the $5 mil bonus. I'd take #33 if we pay the bonus.
I seriously don't see any team paying the 5 mil. We're backed up against a wall and other teams have the leverage in terms of this bonus. They will just wait until we are forced to pay it since cutting him would do us no good.
#33 is a bit high for DA in my mind but #65 is far too low. You can;t afford to pay what is essentially 3 1st round picks if you're DET. QB is a risky position even with the #1 pick. The draft is NOT stacked and FAs are few. DET could make major steps and solve some financial issues by going a route like this...
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The last things the lions need is another awful QB. -- But we'll take the draft picks!
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At #65 you could pick up a center like Jonathan Luigs or Antoine Caldwell. That would be a steal for DA.
Man, this seems to be a deep draft.
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At #65 you could pick up a center like Jonathan Luigs or Antoine Caldwell. That would be a steal for DA.
Man, this seems to be a deep draft.
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Well there is no more Matt Millen, so they might 1) do something smart 2) not draft another WR. I could swear Matt Millen has down syndrome.
I could see their second rounder coming to us and we give them DA and a 5th or something like that. Or our 2nd round and DA for the #20th. Not to sure on the lower part of the draft.
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Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
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Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
Ummm, in case you haven't noticed...we are quoting RELIABLE SOURCES that these discussions are going on.
We are no longer just speculating.
So, despite your decree that it makes no sense....if there is smoke...
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Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
There are plenty of FA QBs on the market that can give CLE what they got from DA over his last 16 starts. Shit, they can go sign Frye and get a QB with a 72 QBR over his last 16 starts. I just hope some GM around the league thinks 29 TDs in a season while ignoring the majorty came in his 1st 8 starts that year.
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Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
There are plenty of FA QBs on the market that can give CLE what they got from DA over his last 16 starts. Shit, they can go sign Frye and get a QB with a 72 QBR over his last 16 starts. I just hope some GM around the league thinks 29 TDs in a season while ignoring the majorty came in his 1st 8 starts that year.
Masters said:
There are plenty of FA QBs on the market that can give CLE what they got from DA over his last 16 starts. Shit, they can go sign Frye and get a QB with a 72 QBR over his last 16 starts. I just hope some GM around the league thinks 29 TDs in a season while ignoring the majorty came in his 1st 8 starts that year.Are you saying DA gave us "shit"? Or are you saying.... Shit! they can resign Frye and get the same thing!
Because you're right on both accounts, still curious.
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Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets.....
That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract.
Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games.......
Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors.
So, having a rating over 100, on 1 or 2 days of practice, is mediocre? If you want mediocre performances, just look at MOST of DA's games. You spout off about his 29 TDs, but go look at the defensive ratings of the teams he got most of those TDs against. That's assuming you can take yourself off DA's knob long enough to research that.
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Masters said:
There are plenty of FA QBs on the market that can give CLE what they got from DA over his last 16 starts. Shit, they can go sign Frye and get a QB with a 72 QBR over his last 16 starts. I just hope some GM around the league thinks 29 TDs in a season while ignoring the majorty came in his 1st 8 starts that year.Are you saying DA gave us "shit"? Or are you saying.... Shit! they can resign Frye and get the same thing!
Because you're right on both accounts, still curious.
AdaM said:
Are you saying DA gave us "shit"? Or are you saying.... Shit! they can resign Frye and get the same thing!Because you're right on both accounts, still curious.
I was saying they can resign Frye and get the same thing, at least over the last 16 starts.
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I'd give up the 33rd pick in the Draft for a starting QB in a heartbeat...and so would you.
The question is whether or not DET thinks of DA as a starter or just someone who will come in and compete for the job. If I thought of DA as a starter, which I don't, it would make much more sense for me to give up the 33rd pick and not have to deal with $30+ million guaranteed on some rookie in this year's Draft.
Plus, as others have already stated, I could get a bookend OT at #1 and a solid starter at another position with the #20 pick.
-Al
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@inspecta said:
Yeah that 33 pick would be a homerun slam dunk hail mary TD extravaganza for the Browns FO.We could make some serious headway in making our team contenders for next year.
Seems high to me.....switching 2nd rounders and us gaining the 3rd rounder would be more like it.
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I'd give up the 33rd pick in the Draft for a starting QB in a heartbeat...and so would you.
The question is whether or not DET thinks of DA as a starter or just someone who will come in and compete for the job. If I thought of DA as a starter, which I don't, it would make much more sense for me to give up the 33rd pick and not have to deal with $30+ million guaranteed on some rookie in this year's Draft.
Plus, as others have already stated, I could get a bookend OT at #1 and a solid starter at another position with the #20 pick.
-Al
I'd give up the 33rd pick in the Draft for a starting QB in a heartbeat...and so would you.
One of the things to remember is the Lions offensive coordinator who is very much a rush oriented guy. He'll focus a lot on the running game. This is also why I think the Lions are not going Qb with their first pick.
I wouldn't give up my 33rd pick unless I had no doubt that he was going to give me several years of really solid play.
As in a case of a guy that had been playing three to five years and while he was solid, he was nothing spectacular either. An example I'm thinking of would be a Drew Bledsoe type of case where he may have lost his job because he got hurt and the guy that replaced him was too good to allow Bledsoe to be a starter again. Not that case specifically, but I hope you get my point.
In DA's case I think there would have to be tons of doubt. The guy only started one year, and while he had great numbers that one year, he was so bad the following year that the Browns benched him. There just isn't much to hang your hat on there with DA.....And for the 33rd best player in college football? Wow....That would be a huge gamble.
In the second round there's a chance they could pick up Josh Freeman or even Nate Davis in the third. The Lions are rebuilding so why not go with Orlovsky this year and build around a Freeman or Davis in the nest two drafts while he sits and waits and learns?
If I were the Lions I wouldn't give away one of my many picks. Man, they could pick up 8 quality players in the next two drafts!
Schwartz has placed himself in a good situation in Detroit....I just wish he was in Cleveland!
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The real question, is... once we trade away DA's sorry ass to Detroit for potetially a low first rounder.....
Who do we pick... becuase I could see us potentially scoring Maualuga and Curry... Thats would be rediculous no?
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And the door opens a little wider in Detroit...
KITNA TO BE CUT SOON
Posted by Mike Florio on February 20, 2009, 6:53 a.m.
The quarterback who sports a constant crew cut soon will be taking an involuntary haircut.
Tom Kowalski of Mlive.com reports that the Lions will be releasing quarterback Jon Kitna.
The team owes Kitna a $1 million roster bonus shortly after the start of the new league year. To avoid paying it, the team will cut him loose.
In the interim, the team is trying to generate a trade market for the 36-year-old quarterback.
Unfortunately, there will be plenty of age-challenged quarterbacks available in free agency; there’s simply no reason to trade for one.
Kitna also is due to earn a base salary of $1.95 million in 2009, the final year of his contract with the team.
So now they have resigned Culpepper to a contract (it wiped out the $2.5m bonus due in March) that basically will allow them to cut him before the draft without a cap hit...and are clearing another $2.95 in cap by dumping Kitna.
They have Drew Stanton and Drew Henson still on the books...(Henson is due $535k and FA in '10, Stanton is due $525k and FA in '11, neither have ANY experience).
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