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  • LogicIsForSquares LogicIsForSquaresL Dedicated Reacting Well Conversation Starter Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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    Don't take that as a "gotcha" moment or anything stupid like that. Just pointing out that the two issues are unrelated.

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      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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      Ah. I see it now. You do have a bit of a point - except Nixon never said the NV ..song...

      was the most beautiful song.

      Obamao did, however.

      Nixon never said push come to shove, he'd side with Muslims.

      Obamao did.

      Nixon never turned his back on Israel. Obamao certainly has.

      But, as this article explains, there are similarities to the withdrawal from nv, and Iraq.

      And differences. After the TET offensive, many folks were convinced sv could never win.

      Vietnam was an idealogical clusterfook from the gitgo. Iraq and Afghanistan were not.

      But all the gains we made there, were thrown out the window by Obamao's naivete and left wing/marxist

      garbage'.

      Egad. I just thunk a thought. I wonder why Jane "Traitor" Fonda hasn't gone over

      to Iraq, and worn a suicide vest, laughing all the way. Never mind. 😎

      https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrBT.GrMlFUj5sAqDJXNyoA?qid=20101117085910AAcOqlt

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        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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        We could have won in Vietnam. Not so much in Iraq and Afghanistan. Just a total difference in where the motivations are. Extremist Islamic factions were there well before the U.S. showed up in the Middle East and will be there until the end of time. Communism in Vietnam was a relatively new problem when we showed up when compared to Islam in the Middle East.

        We would have to be in Iraq and Afghanistan for at least another hundred years if the goal is some grand cultural change. No one wants to be policeman for another country for that long, investing the kind of money we would have to in the process.

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          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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          I agree with you, but we left Vietnam in shambles, and we owned Iraq

          as far as driving the sick sob's out of power. Obamao deserted it, like

          Nixon deserted Vietnam.

          LBJ tied our military's "hands behind their backs", and so has

          Obamao.

          I had a link about that, but I forgot to put it in the post. We didn't have to go

          into Vietnam. JFK had about what, 6500 advisors there? Then LBJ went all

          stupid and sent way, way over a hundred thousand over there.

          I didn't agree with staying in Iraq after the war ended. Those people aren't going to

          change, those terrorist dirtbags.

          Obamao may as well put on a skirt and a blouse, and change his name to Jane Obamafonda.

          LOL. I think I'll keep that for future reference....

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            P Pumpkin Eater wrote on last edited by
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            Segue

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              LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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              @pumpkin-eater said:

              Segue

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              • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

                Nixon sided with commies then if we are using your analogy?

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                AxeA Axe wrote on last edited by Axe
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                @logicisforsquares said:

                Nixon sided with commies then if we are using your analogy?

                Nixon was impeached.. I like where you are going with this 😁

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                  @logicisforsquares said:

                  Nixon sided with commies then if we are using your analogy?

                  Nixon was impeached.. I like where you are going with this 😁

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                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                  @axe said:

                  Nixon was impeached.. I like where you are going with this 😁

                  Obama won't be impeached. He will leave office and some new stooge will take the fall guy seat.

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                    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                    But he should be. If only the reps can really take the senate...

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                    • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

                      @axe said:

                      Nixon was impeached.. I like where you are going with this 😁

                      Obama won't be impeached. He will leave office and some new stooge will take the fall guy seat.

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                      AxeA Axe wrote on last edited by Axe
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                      @logicisforsquares said:

                      Obama won't be impeached. He will leave office and some new stooge will take the fall guy seat.

                      But, but, but,, he was the ONE!! The guy that won a Nobel peace prize for........ 😵

                      He had a fucking super majority for 2 yrs and all we got out of it was the worst pc of legislation that has ever been rammed down the throat of a civilized society in the history of man!!

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                        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                        Exaggerating a little? Haha I don't like it but there have been worse laws passed.

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                          W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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                          Let's be fair Axe. There is now a Nobel category entitled "jack shit."

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                            mohicanM mohican wrote on last edited by
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                            Why should we stop ISIL anywhere, outside of US military bases on foreign soil and in the US itself?

                            We are slow learners at times.

                            Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand
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                              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                              Well, for the same reason we eventually had to join wwii and stop the nazis.

                              Ignoring "small" threats, just lets them grow into huge threats.

                              But then, stopping the huge threat is so much loss of life of our own soldiers.

                              We already should have blasted isil while they were in a big convoy, coming up

                              that main road from syria into iraq. Now, it's a giant clusterfook.

                              Clinton ignored al quaida in afghanistan, sending only some missiles into the desert.

                              Then, we were hit with 9/11, after they planned it for at least 3 years.

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                                LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                We shouldn't be fitting the bill anytime something bad happens. Germany, France, UK, etc. could just as easily take care of it. If they can't be bothered then that is on them. They are the one's that can be reached by land by these cowardly pieces of shit.

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                                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                  Hell, other Muslim countries should be the ones going in and policing their own.

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                                    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                                    True, on both posts.

                                    But they won't. At least we should have had the Brits, etc, going after isil when I said they should have.

                                    BTW, I was watching a report on the corrupt, cowardly "president" - they knew where the hostages

                                    were, but would not make a decision on rescuing them til about two to three months later, and then

                                    they had been moved.

                                    This obamao regime doesn't care about anything but keeping their power. And doing nothing is

                                    to them, politically expedient.

                                    I mean, they had both houses of Congress and the presidency, and they did jack nothing good for two years.

                                    So, there ya go.

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                                      We shouldn't be fitting the bill anytime something bad happens. Germany, France, UK, etc. could just as easily take care of it. If they can't be bothered then that is on them. They are the one's that can be reached by land by these cowardly pieces of shit.

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                                      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                      @logicisforsquares said:

                                      We shouldn't be fitting the bill anytime something bad happens. Germany, France, UK, etc. could just as easily take care of it. If they can't be bothered then that is on them. They are the one's that can be reached by land by these cowardly pieces of shit.

                                      Go take a look at the coalition of countries against ISIL. And while you're there, compare to Al-Qaeda which was basically just the brits and americans. There are a lot more countries involved against ISIL - USA, Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Turkey, Italy, Poland and Denmark in the 'core' group of countries. Even the Iranians and Syrians are starting to be drawn in.

                                      Nobody likes ISIL, they're not government backed, so there's no vested interest from anyone.

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                                        @logicisforsquares said:

                                        We shouldn't be fitting the bill anytime something bad happens. Germany, France, UK, etc. could just as easily take care of it. If they can't be bothered then that is on them. They are the one's that can be reached by land by these cowardly pieces of shit.

                                        Go take a look at the coalition of countries against ISIL. And while you're there, compare to Al-Qaeda which was basically just the brits and americans. There are a lot more countries involved against ISIL - USA, Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Turkey, Italy, Poland and Denmark in the 'core' group of countries. Even the Iranians and Syrians are starting to be drawn in.

                                        Nobody likes ISIL, they're not government backed, so there's no vested interest from anyone.

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                                        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                        @gftchris said:

                                        Go take a look at the coalition of countries against ISIL. And while you're there, compare to Al-Qaeda which was basically just the brits and americans. There are a lot more countries involved against ISIL - USA, Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Turkey, Italy, Poland and Denmark in the 'core' group of countries. Even the Iranians and Syrians are starting to be drawn in.

                                        Nobody likes ISIL, they're not government backed, so there's no vested interest from anyone.

                                        I was speaking in a broader sense of how things normally are. We feel as if we have to police every bad situation when we could stand to sit some out. It should be resolved by others sometimes.

                                        To be honest, I should not have mentioned the Brits because they are usually along for the ride on every adventure the U.S. goes on.

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                                          W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                                          and a lot of that is due to the fact our English bretherin are still using their own currency.

                                          says I.

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