Interesting Options Developing in Browns QB Situation
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Hoyer might be a good QB for a team with a top 3 defense.
His ability/luck/whatever it is that hasn't turned the ball over. No one can knock him there.That's legit.
But at some point, he's going to have to make a play when everything goes wrong.
I haven't seen the slightest hint at having that ability.
Look at this list of QB's with multiple Super Bowl starts, you see playmakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quarterbacks_with_multiple_Super_Bowl_startsHoyer might be a good QB for a team with a top 3 defense.
His ability/luck/whatever it is that hasn't turned the ball over. No one can knock him there.That's legit.
But at some point, he's going to have to make a play when everything goes wrong.
I haven't seen the slightest hint at having that ability.
Look at this list of QB's with multiple Super Bowl starts, you see playmakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quarterbacks_with_multiple_Super_Bowl_starts
why did you come back?
is the texas portal for douchebags back open? because we didn't see hide or hair from you the browns steam-rolled the steelers. now there's maybe a hint of trouble and all the JF fagboys come running back in with their dicks in their hands.
GTFO.
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Hoyer might be a good QB for a team with a top 3 defense.
His ability/luck/whatever it is that hasn't turned the ball over. No one can knock him there.That's legit.
But at some point, he's going to have to make a play when everything goes wrong.
I haven't seen the slightest hint at having that ability.
Look at this list of QB's with multiple Super Bowl starts, you see playmakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quarterbacks_with_multiple_Super_Bowl_startsBut at some point, he's going to have to make a play when everything goes wrong.
I haven't seen the slightest hint at having that ability.
Ya ... if only we could see him perform when "everything goes wrong".
Like being down 28-3 on the road? And then throwing three TD passes to win the game?
Something along those lines?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000406000/Week-5-Browns-vs-Titans-highlights
Zombo
--Not the slightest hint, eh?
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@everlastingxxx said:
Romo was just given an extension. They rebuilt the O-line just for him. Given him all the weapons he needs. Why go to a Jets offense that has nothing?
Because he has done nothing as a Cowboy. He may need a change of scenery.
Honestly....I expect the Cowboys to be close to that 8-8 record when all is said and done. Maybe 9-7 with this good start. It will be stupefying if they go to 10 wins.
Anyways, Hoyer isnt in the same mold as Romo. Manziel is similar to him. Much more athletic and faster. Hoyer is the mold of a Chad Pennington. Maybe Brad Johnson. Something like that. Serviceable. Stop-gap QB until they are ready to unleash #2.
Hoyer...to many here is similar to Brian Sipe. You probably don't remember him. Chad may be a good comparison.
JFF can't be compared to anyone because JFF isn't ready to play. The only comparisons that make sense from a speed, size, race perspective is Tarkenton...
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Zach Martin had a second round grade? Not on any board I followed...
As for cap total... with three rookie deals starting, I'd hope it's cheap this year. Next year? Not so much with Free jumping from $6.5 to $11.0 and Smith from $5.0 to $13.0...
And at that a lot of folks thought Smith signed way too cheap (or at least too long) for the top talent he has shown he is.
$11.0M for a RT? Not feeling that's in the cards for 2015...
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Zombo said:
I do not think they are in the same class. Romo is in the Choking Class and Hoyer is in the Remains To Be Seen Class.
Zombo
No, Hoyer is in the journeyman class.
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choking?
let's compare apples with baby apples
Romo:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RomoTo00
Hoyer:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=HoyeBr00
Game Winning Drives:
(26) Tony Romo (26) Boomer Esiason
(3) Brian Hoyer (3) Ryan Leaf
4Th QTR Comebacks
(22) Tony Romo, (22) Jim Kelly
(3) Brian Hoyer, (3) Jamarcus Russellchoking?
let's compare apples with baby apples
Romo:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RomoTo00
Hoyer:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=HoyeBr00
Game Winning Drives:
(26) Tony Romo ....in 116 career starts.... that is 22 pct
(3) Brian Hoyer ...in 10 career starts....that is 30 pct.
4Th QTR Comebacks
(22) Tony Romo, ...that is 18.9%
(3) Brian Hoyer, that is 30% (and he holds the record for largest comeback)
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@everlastingxxx said:
#1. Hoyer is winning...so who cares right?
That said. I rewatched the Raiders game again. I am just not impressed with Hoyer, sorry. He throws good bubble screens and check downs. Manziel could do that. 2 passes should have been pick-6s. I saw a Browns defense that suffocated a Raiders offense. Like i said, Browns won...who cares how it happened right?
Well ... Ya. Better than "Dallas Loses, But It Sure Looked Pretty!"
Zombo
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romo is done. i'm sure they're not disclosing how bad he is really hurt.
"no structural damage" doesn't mean that you can barely move and the sciatica makes it feel like you're putting your legs through glass every time you take a step.
don't dislike the guy, in fact i feel sorry for him. sorry for him being on a dysfunctional franchise that would make cleveland look normal.
something about oil money makes a man crazy.
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Zombo said:
I do not think they are in the same class. Romo is in the Choking Class and Hoyer is in the Remains To Be Seen Class.
Zombo
No, Hoyer is in the journeyman class.
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choking?
let's compare apples with baby apples
Romo:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RomoTo00
Hoyer:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=HoyeBr00
Game Winning Drives:
(26) Tony Romo (26) Boomer Esiason
(3) Brian Hoyer (3) Ryan Leaf
4Th QTR Comebacks
(22) Tony Romo, (22) Jim Kelly
(3) Brian Hoyer, (3) Jamarcus Russellchoking?
let's compare apples with baby apples
Romo:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RomoTo00
Hoyer:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=HoyeBr00
Game Winning Drives:
(26) Tony Romo (26) Boomer Esiason
(3) Brian Hoyer (3) Ryan Leaf
4Th QTR Comebacks
(22) Tony Romo, (22) Jim Kelly
(3) Brian Hoyer, (3) Jamarcus Russell
Game Winning Drives:
(26) Tony Romo ....in 116 career starts.... that is 22 pct
(3) Brian Hoyer ...in 10 career starts....that is 30 pct.
4Th QTR Comebacks
(22) Tony Romo, ...that is 18.9%
(3) Brian Hoyer, that is 30% (and he holds the record for largest comeback)
So, there's that ....
Zombo
--Thanks for the assist, gip, didn't see this lameass post first time through
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I know I'm starting the cardinals defense in my FFL if weeden is starting on Sunday (which it looks like he is)
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Kind of a modest goal.
Not exactly hitching your wagon to a star there bud.
WSS
If Hoyer gets the Browns to 3 Champ games, then yea, I'll hitch my wagon to him.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Thats dangerous. Weeden has a strong running game to work with and he loves throwing to Dez Bryant (who i have on my fantasy team). I might even pick Weeden up on one of my teams because my QB is on a bye. I dont know if Romo is going to play. My guess is that he wont. He is pretty beat up.
I think you should pick him up and start him.
Zombo
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But at some point, he's going to have to make a play when everything goes wrong.
I haven't seen the slightest hint at having that ability.
Ya ... if only we could see him perform when "everything goes wrong".
Like being down 28-3 on the road? And then throwing three TD passes to win the game?
Something along those lines?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000406000/Week-5-Browns-vs-Titans-highlights
Zombo
--Not the slightest hint, eh?
Zombo said:
Ya ... if only we could see him perform when "everything goes wrong".
Like being down 28-3 on the road? And then throwing three TD passes to win the game?
--Not the slightest hint, eh?
You have to admit that under those circumstances the hint was not anywhere near "slightest"...
@everlastingxxx said:
Weeden has a strong running game to work with and he loves throwing to Dez Bryant (who i have on my fantasy team). I might even pick Weeden up on one of my teams because my QB is on a bye.
lol... Ya better hurry...
Let us know how starting Wheezy works out for ya...
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choking?
let's compare apples with baby apples
Romo:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RomoTo00
Hoyer:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=HoyeBr00
Game Winning Drives:
(26) Tony Romo (26) Boomer Esiason
(3) Brian Hoyer (3) Ryan Leaf
4Th QTR Comebacks
(22) Tony Romo, (22) Jim Kelly
(3) Brian Hoyer, (3) Jamarcus Russell
Game Winning Drives:
(26) Tony Romo ....in 116 career starts.... that is 22 pct
(3) Brian Hoyer ...in 10 career starts....that is 30 pct.
4Th QTR Comebacks
(22) Tony Romo, ...that is 18.9%
(3) Brian Hoyer, that is 30% (and he holds the record for largest comeback)
So, there's that ....
Zombo
--Thanks for the assist, gip, didn't see this lameass post first time through
Zombo said:
Game Winning Drives:
(26) Tony Romo ....in 116 career starts.... that is 22 pct
(3) Brian Hoyer ...in 10 career starts....that is 30 pct.
4Th QTR Comebacks
(22) Tony Romo, ...that is 18.9%
(3) Brian Hoyer, that is 30% (and he holds the record for largest comeback)
when is the parade fpor beating the Titans?
So, there's that ....
Zombo
--Thanks for the assist, gip, didn't see this lameass post first time through
you still dont get it, huh?
Hoyer is still in Jamarcus Russell company; lets tap the breaks on calling Romo out in comparison to Hoyer.
its not about percentages AND EVEN IF IT WAS.... Hoyer is 30, it's on Hoyer he is still in Ryan Leaf company.
jesus you guys love you some hoyer.
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Lets redo those percentages with games eligible for since coming into the league.,
it shouldn't be a knock against romo that hoyer was so terrible no one let him play.
to say it an easier way:
choking in the playoffs > getting cut from a practice squad.
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Lets redo those percentages with games eligible for since coming into the league.,
it shouldn't be a knock against romo that hoyer was so terrible no one let him play.
to say it an easier way:
choking in the playoffs > getting cut from a practice squad.
Lets redo those percentages with games eligible for since coming into the league.,
it shouldn't be a knock against romo that hoyer was so terrible no one let him play.
to say it an easier way:
choking in the playoffs > getting cut from a practice squad.
I can simplify it even further.
Winning > Losing.
Not choking > choking
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@everlastingxxx said:
Thats dangerous. Weeden has a strong running game to work with and he loves throwing to Dez Bryant (who i have on my fantasy team). I might even pick Weeden up on one of my teams because my QB is on a bye. I dont know if Romo is going to play. My guess is that he wont. He is pretty beat up.
If Weeden is the best back up QB available, you must be in a 48 team league.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Thats dangerous. Weeden has a strong running game to work with and he loves throwing to Dez Bryant (who i have on my fantasy team). I might even pick Weeden up on one of my teams because my QB is on a bye. I dont know if Romo is going to play. My guess is that he wont. He is pretty beat up.
If Weeden is the best back up QB available, you must be in a 48 team league.
If Weeden is the best back up QB available, you must be in a 48 team league.
HA!
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