Interesting Options Developing in Browns QB Situation

Zombo

@txdawg said:

choking?

let's compare apples with baby apples

Romo:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RomoTo00

Hoyer:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=HoyeBr00

Game Winning Drives:

(26) Tony Romo (26) Boomer Esiason

(3) Brian Hoyer (3) Ryan Leaf

4Th QTR Comebacks

(22) Tony Romo, (22) Jim Kelly

(3) Brian Hoyer, (3) Jamarcus Russell

Game Winning Drives:

(26) Tony Romo ....in 116 career starts.... that is 22 pct

(3) Brian Hoyer ...in 10 career starts....that is 30 pct.

4Th QTR Comebacks

(22) Tony Romo, ...that is 18.9%

(3) Brian Hoyer, that is 30% (and he holds the record for largest comeback)

So, there's that ....

Zombo

--Thanks for the assist, gip, didn't see this lameass post first time through

bbedward

I know I'm starting the cardinals defense in my FFL if weeden is starting on Sunday (which it looks like he is)

Westside Steve

@d-bone said:

If Hoyer gets the Browns to 3 Champ games, then yea, I'll hitch my wagon to him.

Yes if that happens I think that's a good idea. There is a first time for everything I guess.

Faybe you should wish for Frank Ryan?

WSS

Zombo

@everlastingxxx said:

Thats dangerous. Weeden has a strong running game to work with and he loves throwing to Dez Bryant (who i have on my fantasy team). I might even pick Weeden up on one of my teams because my QB is on a bye. I dont know if Romo is going to play. My guess is that he wont. He is pretty beat up.

I think you should pick him up and start him.

Zombo

Tour2ma

Zombo said:

Ya ... if only we could see him perform when "everything goes wrong".

Like being down 28-3 on the road? And then throwing three TD passes to win the game?

--Not the slightest hint, eh?

You have to admit that under those circumstances the hint was not anywhere near "slightest"...

@everlastingxxx said:
Weeden has a strong running game to work with and he loves throwing to Dez Bryant (who i have on my fantasy team). I might even pick Weeden up on one of my teams because my QB is on a bye.

lol... Ya better hurry...

Let us know how starting Wheezy works out for ya...

TXDawg

Zombo said:

Game Winning Drives:

(26) Tony Romo ....in 116 career starts.... that is 22 pct

(3) Brian Hoyer ...in 10 career starts....that is 30 pct.

4Th QTR Comebacks

(22) Tony Romo, ...that is 18.9%

(3) Brian Hoyer, that is 30% (and he holds the record for largest comeback)

when is the parade fpor beating the Titans?

So, there's that ....

Zombo

--Thanks for the assist, gip, didn't see this lameass post first time through

you still dont get it, huh?

Hoyer is still in Jamarcus Russell company; lets tap the breaks on calling Romo out in comparison to Hoyer.

its not about percentages AND EVEN IF IT WAS.... Hoyer is 30, it's on Hoyer he is still in Ryan Leaf company.

jesus you guys love you some hoyer.

TXDawg

nvmd. full quopte was in your post.

TXDawg

Lets redo those percentages with games eligible for since coming into the league.,

it shouldn't be a knock against romo that hoyer was so terrible no one let him play.

to say it an easier way:

choking in the playoffs > getting cut from a practice squad.

bbedward

@txdawg said:

Lets redo those percentages with games eligible for since coming into the league.,

it shouldn't be a knock against romo that hoyer was so terrible no one let him play.

to say it an easier way:

choking in the playoffs > getting cut from a practice squad.

I can simplify it even further.

Winning > Losing.

Not choking > choking

RoyceRolls

@everlastingxxx said:

Thats dangerous. Weeden has a strong running game to work with and he loves throwing to Dez Bryant (who i have on my fantasy team). I might even pick Weeden up on one of my teams because my QB is on a bye. I dont know if Romo is going to play. My guess is that he wont. He is pretty beat up.

If Weeden is the best back up QB available, you must be in a 48 team league.

miktoxic

@roycerolls said:

If Weeden is the best back up QB available, you must be in a 48 team league.

HA!

hoorta

@everlastingxxx said:

Thats dangerous. Weeden has a strong running game to work with and he loves throwing to Dez Bryant (who i have on my fantasy team). I might even pick Weeden up on one of my teams because my QB is on a bye. I dont know if Romo is going to play. My guess is that he wont. He is pretty beat up.

Cleveland fans are betting what you've seen out of Wee-done isn't the Wee-done Browns fans have come to know and love, The guy is capable of single handedly losing a game by himself.

@txdawg said:

you still dont get it, huh?

Hoyer is still in Jamarcus Russell company; lets tap the breaks on calling Romo out in comparison to Hoyer.

its not about percentages AND EVEN IF IT WAS.... Hoyer is 30, it's on Hoyer he is still in Ryan Leaf company.

jesus you guys love you some hoyer.

We love winning, something that hasn't happened to the Browns in a very long time.

Westside Steve

@everlastingxxx said:

In my offseason boredom, i did watch the Browns 2013 season. I do agree he was pretty bad, especially the back handed tosses. In fairness, the Browns had no running game last year. I actually think the WRs talent is much improved this year over last years squad. Greg Little was terrible.

I do think the weapons and firepower around Weedon will make him look better. He has a live arm and i think he is a good guy.

I agree with you there. The backhanded flip everybody keeps crying about probably wasn't called by Weeden himself. Also 1 of those 3 wins was thanks to a BW come back.

I also like Johnny but until Brian Hoyer loses a few games because of inaccuracy poor play whatever I do not yank him.

The more time Johnny has to let the NFL sink in the better he will be when he gets thrust into the starting position for whatever reason.

WSS

Zombo

@txdawg said:

Lets redo those percentages with games eligible for since coming into the league.,

it shouldn't be a knock against romo that hoyer was so terrible no one let him play.

to say it an easier way:

choking in the playoffs > getting cut from a practice squad.

Again with the "He was a journeyman so what he's actually doing on the field doesn't matter" argument.

Why don't you just let it play out?

Oh .. Because you're not a Browns fan, you're a Cowboy fan with a raging boner for our backup QB. Which is really weird.

Do you have any Oklahoma St. fans interrupting your discussions of the Cowbows/Cards game with threads shitting on Romo to promote their interest in Weeden on your Cowboy boards?

Because that's what this is.

I actually like Romo.

What I don't like is you steerfuckers telling us what (you think) we don't know about our own team.

Z

Manzier

Zombo said:

Oh .. Because you're not a Browns fan, you're a Cowboy fan with a raging boner for our backup QB. Which is really weird.

Do you have any Oklahoma St. fans interrupting your discussions of the Cowbows/Cards game with threads shitting on Romo to promote their interest in Weeden on your Cowboy boards?

What I don't like is you steerfuckers telling us what (you think) we don't know about our own team.

What is it with Texas fans and their QB's anyway????

The nuts came out when we drafted Colt McCoy. Told us he was god and our savior and would just win win win.

Then they REALLY came out for Johnny and still haven't left. Geez. I like Johnny, but his fans make me want to puke.

Now, they're telling us Weeden is good and filling our board with posts about an old broken Romo.

Huh? Did we draft the whole fuckin state or something???? Why are they here? Are the Browns now Americas team?

Tour2ma

@roycerolls said:
If Weeden is the best back up QB available, you must be in a 48 team league.

Now that's funny...

@hoorta said:
Cleveland fans are betting what you've seen out of Wee-done isn't the Wee-done Browns fans have come to know and love, The guy is capable of single handedly losing a game...

He's been working on his game and is now capable of losing with either hand...

@everlastingxxx said:
I do think the weapons and firepower around Weedon will make him look better. He has a live arm and i think he is a good guy.

Wheezy has a very strong arm and is as pure as driven snow, but you can't fix stupid.

Also if you thought Newton was displaying a lack of touch last nite, you ain't seen nothin' yet...

@manzier said:
Huh? Did we draft the whole fuckin state or something???? Why are they here?

Yes... that is exactly what we did. Draft a star QB from TAMU or tu (AKA TU), and the legions will follow.

Just be thankful that it's looking like Colt will not get a chance to win 2 in a row... or his legions would be back.

Manzier

@everlastingxxx said:

. I dont see this “legion” of fans.

Can't help if you're blind. If I wanted to spend the time(and I dont) I could point out hundreds of Texas posts on this Cleveland board raging about Colt & JFF. .

Now, can you direct me to a TEXAS board full of Cleveland fans telling you about Weeden? Or a Pitts thread full Ohioans ranting about BR? Of course not, because we dont care.

And I Wasn't referring to you specifically or just this thread. There are 10,397 other JFF threads to choose from and all are full of TX QB experts telling us about their great QB's and how we need to handle them.

Take your pick. Go Browns!

Tour2ma

@everlastingxxx said:
I dont see this “legion” of fans. I see maybe a handful of Manziel fans, but hey embellish and exaggerate all you want!

Not anymore... but once, not too long ago, you were but a tree in the forest. One of the more tolerable trees, as you actually purported to have an interest in learning about your "new team", but one of many.

And then JM sat... and some faded away.

And then Hoyer won... and most ran away.

And then the 'Boys developed their surprise run... and even you drifted away.

At one point the legion was down to TexasAg69.

Then Hoyer looks a little shakey, loses a game and here you (and others) are again.

And I did not even mention the major tank job A&M has pulled...

Manzier

@everlastingxxx said:

You can find posts about alot of stuff. Hell do a search for gay references. Bet they outnumber actual football conversations.

This same tired argument of, you dont see Browns fans on Cowboys message boards. First of all, if you wanted to post on a Cowboys message board(s), i wouldnt care the slightest if you did. I also wouldnt make the claim that all of Ohio is flooding our boards. Because, its a very very very small percentage of the fan base. Most Cowboys/Texas fans are not here and are not Manziel fans. Hate to break the news to you.

Whatever. I love how you change what I say, then try to debate it. Try "comprehending" what is written, BEFORE commenting.

I didnt say you would care if we posted on Cowboys boards. I just said we weren't posting on Texas boards.

And I didnt claim All of Texas was flooding our boards either. I just said our boards had a bunch of nuts from Texas posting on them.

And it could only be a very very small percentage of Texas that is posting here(just like you say). Im just saying the ones that ARE here completely annoy the fuck out of me.

And it could be that most Cowboys/Texas fans are not here and are not Maniel fans. Never said otherwise. But the ones THAT are here are unprecedented.

Meaning, that we've drafted a lot of players, but none came with the idiot contingent that McCoy and Manzier came with.

Hate to break the news to you.

The Gipper

@txdawg said:

you still dont get it, huh?

I fully get it: Hoyer is unproven despite being a veteran of several years. And you think that makes him on par with some of the worst QBs in history.

Hoyer is still in Jamarcus Russell company;

And, of course, this is complete and utter ignorance. In his short time Brian Hoyer has a .700 win pct. What was Russell's win pct. in his short time?

lets tap the breaks on calling Romo out in comparison to Hoyer.

its not about percentages AND EVEN IF IT WAS.... Hoyer is 30, it's on Hoyer he is still in Ryan Leaf company.

jesus you guys love you some hoyer.

No....we just don't like utter ignorance like you are uttering. Do you want to be taken seriously or not? If so, then don't use examples like the worst QB busts in NFL history to compare him to. Russell was #1 overall, Leaf #2 overall......Hoyer was undrafted. He had many strikes going against him to begin with. By the time that Hoyer even got the opportunity to show he could be a starter in this league those other guys busted out. Choose a better example.